| Author | Message | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2003 |
To all of you FANS out thre, :THANKS. All your nice comments made me forget about the creazy hours and frustration that my friends and I went thru last season.All this is now a dream coming to life. I have the car that I wanted and I 'm very pleased with the end result. If you see me at an event, please stop by, I'm always happy to share a ride. | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
Junior Member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 111 Registered: 5-2002 |
Roland enjoy that wonderful car. It was a pleasure to meet you at Buttonwillow last year. Glad to see you have the car running well. Chris Parr how are you ? Thank you for allowing me some track time at Buttonwillow. Looks like you have your car sorted also. Any plans to be in California in the near future ? Kenneth Hayes I see from your profile you are from Loveland Co. My wifes parents live in Loveland. Small world, next time we visit let's get together and grab a beer. WFO | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1249 Registered: 10-2001 |
It's all about the cookies! | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 149 Registered: 2-2001 |
I recently spoke with Roland. I was curious to meet him as I was living in Portland, OR when 'the wreck' first came into availability, and I actually put in a bid on the chassis around the same time as Roland. Obviously, his was the winning bid... And, I must say that after seeing the car at PPIR a while ago, I'm very pleased the car went to him rather than to me. I was going to build a much more 'impure' track car from it. What Roland has done with it is simply spectacular --- and worthy of note in the official Ferrari records. I don't really know Roland personally, but we have some mutual acquaintances / colleagues in the racing world. And, from what I do personally know about these individuals (who were involved with the project) and from what they have said about Roland, I can speculate with little chance of error, that in some respects, Roland's car may actually be better than the originals. What I mean is that some very talented people with impeccable credentials and vast expertise made some mods that probably improved the technical characteristics of the car. Hey --- with the time, the resources, and the desire, anything can be improved --- even a Ferrari! Cheers to you Roland! Go for a drive! | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2003 |
I can't believe this subject got so much attention. I have waited this long to put in my 2 cents since this whole thing started over one week ago (and close to 100 posts). I met Roland a few times since his car, or should I say chassis, was first delivered to Servizio. As a matter of fact, my son worked there for a while and it was his task to clean up the burnt wreckage as you have seen in the pictures at the bottom of this thread. I saw it myself the first day it was delivered. What an awesome sight; and I knew it was at the right place to begin its rebirth. I saw this project evolve from its "delivery" and into the final stages before it left the shop. There are some elements of this story that ONLY the two principles know. Without getting into a "pissing" match with anyone that thinks they REALLY know the story, I will just say that I can confirm David's explanation dated May 7th. With that, I wish Roland the best of luck with the car. | ||
| PrezJacquesLeBel (Prezlebel)
New member Username: Prezlebel Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hello there Ferrari fans, er, should I say Roland fans as well...? Just wanted to put in a quick two cents on a few subjects. I was going to get on here and describe the sorry condition of the car when it came from Florida, but Kenneth Hayes and Chris Parr have already done a phenomenal job with that. However, I will say it was heartbreaking to see this long awaited prize cause so much disgust when it arrived. At least Roland (Dr. Speed as I like to call him) learned a few new slang words in English upon its arrival. A few days ago someone mentioned that the car didn't really look that fast compared to another F-40 at the track. I find that laughable. I have been fortunate enough to ride in the car on a few occassions, and have even raced against it. I was in the car in Arizona as we passed 200 mph on a two lane highway, and I was on the track in my 911 (sorry to bring a Porsche in here) as he walked away from another "normal" F-40. Someone has called Roland a Gentleman Racer in here, and that is what he is. He will normally run just ahead of someone for a while and then in a fury of horsepower, deafening noise, and time tested knowledge, leave them in the dust. The car flat out runs a normal F-40. Period. On another note, I have been lucky enough to ride with Roland in other cars as well. I rode with him in Markus' (earlier post) 911 Turbo as we kept up with two F-40's at PPIR. That was the most outrageous, awesome, on the edge ride I have ever had. In short, there should be no doubts about the incredible speed of this F-40 (LM) or the driving abilities of its owner. By all means, if you get a chance to ride with him in the F-40, or anything else for that matter, TAKE IT. A student... | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 875 Registered: 8-2001 |
Roland, mind sending me some pictures so I can post them up on my website (http://www.exoticcarforums.com). We're all big fans of your car and I'm sure it would be a great bonus to have some real quality shots. -Kenny [email protected] | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2003 |
To 348 Spider. If you have any request about my F40LM , please ask me, since I'M the owner !!! Regards, Roland | ||
| Marcel Brossi (Karmodelscom)
New member Username: Karmodelscom Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thanks for the pics!! Marcel Brossi. karmodels.com | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3965 Registered: 8-2002 |
NO WAY...! That's so awesome...! i haven't eaten yet, today, so just reading that makes me dizzy...! John, did you get my "private message" i sent a few days ago...? If not, please email me, [email protected] It's regarding October, i just had a quick question and couldn't find your email address... Thanks... Roland, i read the article in Forza and thought the whole story was really cool, what with you finding an engine on eBay and what not: "i never heard of it [eBay] before, but i put in a bid for $20,000 and a few days later, found out i won." That rocks. Jim, it's kind of hard to put a lid on passion. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3964 Registered: 8-2002 |
NO WAY...! That's so awesome...! i haven't eaten yet, today, so just reading that makes me dizzy...! John, did you get my "private message" i sent a few days ago...? If not, please email me, [email protected] It's regarding October, i just had a quick question and couldn't find your email address... Thanks... Roland, i read the article in Forza and thought the whole story was really cool, what with you finding an engine on eBay and what not: "i never heard of it [eBay] before, but i put in a bid for $20,000 and a few days later, found out i won." That rocks. | ||
| john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member Username: Johnhoughtaling Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2002 |
DES: Roland will be at the Ferrari Classic in New Orleans in October. Last year he spent the entire track day scaring the pants off of his passangers. If you ask nicely, I'm sure Roland would give you a ride in his monster. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1225 Registered: 7-2002 |
DES, yes it and he are very cool, but it is just a man and his car. Restrain yourself young man! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3959 Registered: 8-2002 |
Holy crap...! i didn't know Roland Linder was a FerrariChat member...! Holy Crap! Holy Crap! Holy Crap! i just finished reading the article about the F40 LM Evoluzione the other day...! Awesome story...! Holy Crap! i need to sit down, this is too much excitement for me... Holy Crap! | ||
| john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member Username: Johnhoughtaling Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2002 |
Much has already been said, but Roland is the REAL DEAL. I cannot think of a better Ferrari enthusiast. Debate originality all you want (which is a very interesting debate, often with incomensurable arguements) but Ferraris were first and foremost "race cars" constantly modified by the factory & Gentleman racers. Roland is a the modern Gentleman racer. Gentlemen racers bought these cars to race, not to drive to the country club. Rolands is no different than David Piper was in the 60s(who modified his 250 GTO several times to make it faster), or Count Volpi who hired Bizzarini to modify his very significant 250 SWB SEFAC car into the famous "breadvan," in his effort to win the '62 LeMans. These guys did things for the right reasons. They were gentlemen racers first. They didnt buy a Ferrari to show off, or one-up their friends. Ferraris were just an extention of their passion for racing, and the cars they raced created the Ferrari mistique and heritage. I'm very proud to know guys like Roland exist, and see his car as done right, for all of the right reasons. I cannot think of a guy with a better spirit or car that came from a better mold. | ||
| michael platzer (348spider)
New member Username: 348spider Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2002 |
message to servizioman - you offered pics of the rebuilt car before and after restoration - could you mail me some of them for my ferrari pic-register (about 6000 pics) ! i would also be interested in the chassis-number of the original car you rebuilt. please send to: [email protected] thanks a lot. anyway you did a great job ! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 813 Registered: 11-2001 |
Roland...Glad the e-mail made it over...sorry about the no return address...I'm not sure what happened with that. At any rate, I just re-updated my profile just in case. If you like, feel free to contact me directly at [email protected] Hope Raymund can get you the info. you're looking for. | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hello Eric, I got your e-mail but no returm address ? Thanks for the info on my friend's LM. I see that the car is still in Orlando where I saw it the last time in FL.I know Raymond and will contact him to see if I can still get info from that car. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 811 Registered: 11-2001 |
Roland...you have mail  Let me know if you don't get my message off-line (been having trouble sending e-mail lately via F-Chat). -- Eric | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 313 Registered: 6-2002 |
Roland- you are driving may of our dreams, an F40LM that can be a true dual-purpose road and track car. It's not a numerically perfect F40(so what), and it's not really an LM per se(whopedee shoo). But it IS the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!!! You are also to be commended for quite literaly saving an F40 from the ashes. Amazing, nothing less than life-affirming. I think I can speak for enthusiests everywhere when I say, Thank you for doing this!!! She must be one hell of a ride, enjoy her in good health! May your tires always be warm, your straights long, and your lines perfect! Best! Ben. | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 95 Registered: 7-2002 |
Figured i`d add this pick for your enjoyment:  Regards, Jim | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2003 |
THanks MFZ, Yes, this was the LM at that auction. I sure would like to know where it went. Please, if you know,contact me. | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
Member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 263 Registered: 2-2003 |
This thread sure opened a can of worms. Congratulations to Roland Linder for saving that F40, his F40 is probably the coolest and most instantly recognizable F40 in the US right now. A reliable F40 LM (Linder Modificata) that can be driven on track and on the road, I wish I can be that lucky. Oh, and that final F40LM (#19) he mentioned, was that the one auctioned off by the IRS earlier this year? | ||
| Dave Helms (Davehelms)
New member Username: Davehelms Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003 |
Now this makes some interesting reading!!! | ||
| Kenneth Hayes (Kghayes)
New member Username: Kghayes Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2003 |
John, There are actually a lot of differences between the F40 hood and the F40LM hood. There is an extractor for the radiator that takes up the entire center of the hood where the F40 spare tire sits. It also has different mounting points because the LM hood doesn't hinge up. To change over would take a lot of modification to the space under the hood. Also, IIRC the LM is wider than a stock F40. Might have to check on the width difference. Kenneth | ||
| Kenneth Hayes (Kghayes)
New member Username: Kghayes Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2003 |
Gentlemen, I've watched this post with great interest and I'm so glad Roland learned to use the web last month. :-) It's the best having him speak, but he still is being quite a gentleman about the Project. The posts by Chris Parr where right on! Now it�s time to add my interpretation of the story. It's always interesting how even when the data is presented there are always some things missing. I've probably spent more time in the car and more time working on the car than anyone except Roland, after delivery. (Servizio had it for years and Roland hasn�t had the car that long.) What a wonderful car to work on. Roland and I often comment on what a pleasure the car is now that it�s running so well and how a true Ferrari elitist wouldn�t appreciate the car. Someone asked earlier in this thread why would someone rebuild a car instead of just getting one in decent shape and having a nice F40. Both additional costs and time would be saved. Roland has driven the F40s of friends and although impressed it was not enough to buy one. Then he drove one of the 13 'original' Michelloto F40LM (car #19), which was the car recently sold at and auction in Florida. Although the car was not in great shape (having seen some neglect) it was an amazing car to drive. LM was the race version of the F40 and was a world of difference to drive. Then as the Forza article, Roland finds and purchased this burnt F40, not to rebuild an F40 but to build an F40 LM �evolution� from the Michelloto LM specs. Just as Michelloto took stock F40 and created the LMs, so did Roland take an F40 and create an LM �Linder Modified�. What he really wanted was the feeling of driving an LM but could not afford to buy one. So he made his F40LM everything he wanted. Improved things that he viewed as weak points and built a car that he can drive to the track 60+ miles away, race around all day, and drive home. When I offered my help to Roland the car wouldn't run well for more than 10 minutes. He tried to drive it but had to have an entourage follow him so he wouldn't be stranded when it broke down. At one time he even left a friend with the car to go back home to get the trailer. That was after an intense week of working on the car to get it ready for the photo shoot that David Castelhano spoke of. The reason there was an issue with getting the car to the photo shoot is the car was supposed to be finished by Servizio by that time (actually months earlier). However, the shop seemed to be using the car as static display for publicity and didn't finish the car within 6 months of the expected finish date. Roland said on his last few visits several months apart the car didn't noticeably change. Then when trying to pick up the car his trip was delayed as David Castelhano told him not to come get the car causing Roland to cancel two trips to get the car. How many YEARS should someone wait for a vehicle to be finished? Servizio of Florida did a great job on the chassis evolving it from the stock F40 to the Michelloto specs. The interesting part to me is the finger pointing that Castelhano is doing about the car not running correctly blaming it on Roland�s choice to go with different engine management system. The real reason the car wouldn�t run properly (or only for 10 minutes) was that Servizio (David Castelhano) connected the fuel tanks with a hose that was not built to carry fuel. The hose was being eaten apart by 85-90 octane gas pump fuel, Disintegrating! This was discovered by Dave Helms who had tried everything in the book to get the car to run correctly by changing things out. He finally asked Roland if he could cut open a fuel tank and with no other option Roland agreed. Dave Helms found rubber was being sucked up into and clogging the fuel pumps! High quality fuel hoses installed by Servizio. Luckily the filters prevented this debris from harming the engine. This is why Roland is nice enough not to mention Servizio by name in his Forza articles. And that is only the tip of the iceburg. The first time Roland drove the car the dash fell into his lap. The brake calipers were mounted improperly and hang over the edge of the rotor. The bodywork didn�t fit well and had to be readjusted (latches didn�t close, pins didn�t fit). The paint job was horrible (not sure who owns this work). The suspension was so far out of spec the car shouldn�t have been driven. The sending unit for the speedometer, which Roland directly questioned you about via email (I�ve seen the emails) was not there as you promised in your email. We had to purchase the parts and install them. We had to redo a lot of Servizio work. After a year of sorting out the issues (Roland has it all in a notebook with pages and pages of things that needed to be redone, the car is what I consider a reliable Ferrari. As for the comments about the car being slow, It�s not. Not now. I�ve been in the car when Roland�s revved it up and let her go. But, while we were sorting out safety issues with the car Roland was very conservative with his driving (as you might expect from any experienced professional racer). We have slowly lowered the settings on the rear wing (lowering the effective drag) and have been adding turns into the waste gate screw to increase �the kick�. This weekend at PPIR he while cruising around conservatively set a top speed on his new GPS toy while giving �rides�. 172mph. The cars, including Ferraris, lambos... that he easily passed while on the Player�s Run were doing 175. At speeds this car is as solid as a rock! There are still a few things we are sorting out. Yes, the car does have a lighter plug now. It�s not for the GPS or his phone, it�s for a heated blanket for his wife. What the car has in race ready, it lacks in creature comforts. I�ll try to be more reasonable in my post length next time. Kenneth p.s. Hello Josh and Marcus. | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 16 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi John, I have the mold, but do you the all hood, because on the LM this is 1 piece | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 444 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>>Those people that make 250 GTO or Testarossa replicas by cutting up genuine old Ferraris should be castrated as far as I am concerned ... possibly even stoned to death Jack hands PSk a sharp knife and a couple of heavy stones... ;-) | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 436 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jack, Could not agree more. Those people that make 250 GTO or Testarossa replicas by cutting up genuine old Ferraris should be castrated as far as I am concerned ... possibly even stoned to death (okay, okay going a bit far here ). But I have said all of this before ... Where they would have started with this restoration I do not know? Pete | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 440 Registered: 4-2003 |
Oh well, why not add my 0.02 Lira to this... I am basically a sucker for originality and sometimes it hurts to see very nice cars which have aged beautifully and with all the right patina go into a restorers shop to become "concours" cars. A cry & shame in my eyes... Some of you might have read my post about the engine transplants for the two empty 250 GTE shells. At this moment in time, there is not a "nut" in the world that would shed out some $ 150.000 in parts + ???? $ in labour to bring a $ 70.000 car back on the road in their original guise. So is bringing them back on the road in a modified form (i.e 400 or 412 drivetrains) a "crime"? I think it is more of a crime that these beauties were sacrificed to make fake 250 GTO's (or whatever). Now look at the "before" pictures of this F40! Guys, we lost one precious F40 in that fire there and "somebody" (Roland) had the guts and willingness to bring it back to life! This car was only good for the scrapheap so we could put it in the register as "destroyed". Roland gave the car life again and decided to modify it to his taste. I greatly applaude that as it is a million times better than recycling it and turning it into sheetmetal for cans! Knowing what is known about the car and having read Roland's comments, I also think it is a million times better that the GTO replica's that driving around and all the replcas we see on Ebay. Roland is making no secret of the origins of the car nor its parts. In my eyes it has become THE F40 project ever. As I said, just my 0.02 Lira. Hats off for Roland for saving this F40! Jack | ||
| John Whelan (Fodee)
New member Username: Fodee Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2001 |
Roland, where can I get a nose like that for my car. I was going to build my own but it looks like I would be reinventing the wheel. Do you have the molds? Will it fit on a standard width front end? | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2003 |
Eric, The LM you saw in FL was the one that I had here in Colorado a few years back. A good friend of mine had it and that was one of the 2 made with rocher arm suspension.The other one is at the museum in Maranello.We took a few pics of that car and the one from Ciaola to build mine. I should ad that I have full roll cage and fire system. Thanks for the support | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 799 Registered: 11-2001 |
Wow, Roland...extremely impressive to say the least! I'm amazed, especially considering the condition of the car BEFORE the restoration...absolutely incredible! Recently had the opportunity to get a good look at an F-40LM down in central FL. It had just been purchased for close to $700k, so you're right when you say that you have an essentially brand new F-40 with LM mods at a fraction of the price of a well used LM. My hat's off to you...I only dream of riding in an F-40, let alone owning one. | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2003 |
 Here is an inside view of the dashboard with EGT and cigarette lighter... | ||
| PlayersMarkus (Playersmarkus)
Junior Member Username: Playersmarkus Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2002 |
Josh,lol,I'm surprised that you did not get •••• yet for showing a Lambo here ;o)..kidding.She will be, btw, part of our Playersrun 2004 new homepage design ! I know the story of Rolands F40 very well,I also witnessed his pain with Servizio... You guys are all wrong ! This is not a car, this is Rolands Baby !;O)...and the engine is actually from a 87' Volkswagen Jetta ! No, it's not and I would probably prefer this bella machina over the other 99% of Ferraris. Rob, you better charge Roland for all this free advertising ;O) Matt, funny graphic,LOL. Markus P.S. Playersrun 2004 target date May 15 ! | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2003 |
hERE IS A VIEW FROM THE FINISHED DASH, EGT AND EVEN A CIGARETTE LIGHTER ! | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 121 Registered: 2-2003 |
Roland, After I read about the car in Forza I thought to myself, "this guy is nuts" and smiled knowing I'd do the same thing if I had the money. Great Car! | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hello Josh, Thanks for the support, from all people, you should know how my car runs. After the trek we did across the US hitting all the tracks on the way, you saw how good and reliable the car was. Can't wait to see you at the Concorso, they invited me again, my car must pleased some pleople after all. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4552 Registered: 8-2002 |
Roland, You should be applauded for your efforts. You cannot put a price on love or passion Matt | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2003 |
Since people ask what I put in the car and that's including every little details like chrome, spare wheels, special tools, pads etc...even the nitro for the inboard jacks, I'm at less than, $ 400.000.00. Who said that this not smart to do and I have a NEW car, with NEW everything, hard bushing,gear box, motor,brakes, new body, seats , names it... Just the frame is original with the mods and the box case. I think that I have a hell of different car than a stock F40 for a fraction of a well used so call "real" LM | ||
| Dave Goldman (Dave328)
Junior Member Username: Dave328 Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2002 |
Roland, your car was THE highlight for me at the New Orleans Concourso last year! I even made sure to park the 328 on the same level in the parking garage just so I could lust over it some more! And this year I won't wait till the end of the day to get in line for a ride! (I missed out last year  ) You are definitely a Class Act! Dave | ||
| Josh Siegel (Mousejstr)
New member Username: Mousejstr Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2003 |
Uhh.. lamborghini diablo roadster... Hey roland! glad to see you here... Your ferrari don't suck.  | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2002 |
Umm, excuse me gentleman. I have yet to locate the Forza article. My quesiton is without going into specifics project cost, about what percentage of good original F40's market value put Roland's car back on the road? 75%? - 125%? | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 74 Registered: 2-2003 |
There was/is an original ferrari F40 LM for sale in the dupont registry if you search their site under F40 you will get it. I will post a link if I have time later. Erik | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hello Rob,. Thanks for the compliments, even an old racer like me likes to hear good things on dream car. Believe me, when I say that I did the best without cutting corners to built the best LM while keeping most Ferrari parts. Sometimes, especialy for race cars, you must go to other sources to find similar if not better parts to finish the project. We scouted the world to find original parts and for the rest, we manufactured them with today's carbon fiber technology. If you have more questions, I would be glad to answer them. Thanks for your sincere interest in this project. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4797 Registered: 12-2000 |
Roland, you rock! and like I've told you before, it's an honor that you're on FerrariChat.com. Your history as a driver and now with the project of your dream car, no doubt in my mind you are and always will be a Ferrari legend. You also provided me some more information that I wasn't sure about, although I hinted to it. I knew Michelloto did some LM's and they are generally accepted as being complete Ferrari because of the history and close ties. What I wasn't sure about was what you term the "evolution" cars. No doubt your car is in good company with these 7 Ferraris. Ernie, sorry I got out of control, just should of taken my own advice from the monthly email I just sent a few days ago. With TomD buying me drinks and Matt, I just need to get my RPM's up more often. Free drinks! | ||
| Roland E.Linder (F40lm)
New member Username: F40lm Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2003 |
I guess it's my turn to come out of my ranch and tell my side of this story.First, I want to thank all the friends and strangers who understand what my dream is all about. For the few other, here is the real deal : It's the original chassis with the modofications done like on the Michelloto. The drive train is F40, suspentions are Penske made to spec.Motor is a new Stock F40 with bigger Garett Turbo and custom straight exhausts. Most other parts were custom build by many people from the industry. Michelloto was not interested to built any LM parts, to busy on the 360 !!! Brakes were custom made and Brembo was the main supplier, sorry if I don't have Ferrari written on them ! Servizio wasn't mention in the Forza article because I don't have the time to blame etc...What was done was done and I was clear by saying that the workmanship on the chassis and construction was great. The rest, well, most of us saw how much work and time it took to get the car to run. Now, while I'm driving around "guests", I'm shifting at 7000 rpm and that's plenty for them and still fast enough for no one to pass me ... Maybe the set up of the car explain some of the performance on the infield... I finally got MY dream car, it's a real F40, most likely much better than the original, I never said that it was a "real" LM but an "evolution" like the 6 others made after Michelloto stopped the run of 13 originals. I might been the only one who drove into a real LM (# 19)and I can garantie you that mine is very close, chassis wise from the real McCoy except for the full race motor and the straight cut gear box.. I drive my car on the road and have done more track events in 1 year, with it, than most people will ever do. Last week end at PPIR, I showed how reliable the car was by doing, yes over 100 laps... Call it what you want, but by reading all the comments here above, I must have done right. | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 673 Registered: 11-2001 |
Thanks for setting things straight Chris. Rob, no hard feelings bro. That is why this site is so great. Boys can be boys, and a little dust up never hurt anyone. As for me being "thick" about it, lol. I was just defending Rolands car being a restoration and not a recreation. What got my feathers ruffled was when Rob said "99% of Ferrari's are closer to 100% real that this one". It isn't a pure "LM", and yes it is a conversion. Anyway, now that things are all smoothed out, it was a fun lil fight. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4791 Registered: 12-2000 |
Very well said Chris as you are closer to Roland and know more about this car than about anyone. That's what I was trying to convey and I was maybe even giving the car more credit as a F40 LM conversion than you or even Roland would. I'm cool everyone, just got a little frustrated with Ernie, it's not very often I can't get a simple point accross. Maybe now that he heard it first hand from Chris he will sway. By no means am I disrespecting this car, I don't think I indicated this at all in the thread. It's an amazing piece of work and Roland is an amazing guy. The car is what it is. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4517 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rob, I am going to buy you a few drinks while I am in Texas.  Matt | ||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 605 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ok, What is Roland's car? It is a stock F40 with some LM modifications. The suspension points are different from a stock F40, the engine sits a bit lower as well. The front is area is different from a F40 as well. Some things have not been converted yet, the brakes are still stock F40 and in my opinion need to be replaced. To my knowledge the engine is basically stock, with the exception of larger turbo's. I believe the HP figures quoted are very optimistic, this was a "crate" motor Roland bought off of ebay, but I would accept dyno sheets to prove me wrong. The amount of money invested in this car would scare Bill Gates and there is money that still needs to be spent. Roland wanted a F40 done his way and for the most part he got it. Roland concedes that the car is neither a F40LM or even a LM recreation. It is simply Roland's baby! The car has a few actual LM pieces on it, but it is a long way from being an actual LM. In this case I think it is safe to say the "LM" stands for "Linder Modified". It is an interesting car that Rolands absoultely loves, it is fast not because of the love and work Roland put into the car, it is fast because Roland is an excellent driver. Roland saved this car from the ashes, it would have been a different car except for the financial requirements needed to create an actual LM. I am sure there is 3 sides to this story, so I respect David for stating his side. This is a good example of why it is so costly to build a car from scratch. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3547 Registered: 9-2001 |
Rob Your getting fired up these days I am going to buy you a few drinks this weekend | ||
| David M. Castelhano (Servizioman)
New member Username: Servizioman Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2003 |
Dear Chris, I appreciate your position as an outsider. There are usually two sides to every story. We had originally decided to install a Motec engine mangement system in the car for several reasons. First the cost would be less than coming up with original Marelli components and secondly we were looking for more performance from the engine. Michelloto installs a very different system in his cars when he builds them also. Motec was building the harness when the client decided to have a company of his own choice design and install an engine management system using readily available components. That company and not Servizio was unable to get the car running properly. The car was delivered to Colorado on the pretense that it was needed for display and a photo shoot only. It was scheduled to return and be completed. It was never returned. It was instead delivered to a Ferrari dealer and I was asked to pay the bill. Chris we stand behind everything we do and would have made things right if we were given the chance. The Forza article was I believe retaliation for our unwillingness to pay the invoice.Forza never interviewed me or any member of my staff and has refused to return my phone calls although they are seeking my advertising dollars. I appreciate the polite nature of your comments and hope that I have conveyed my opinion in a similar manner. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4790 Registered: 12-2000 |
PSK and Andrew, both of you are 100% right. I'm not sure why Ernie is being so thick on this he can't figure it out. You get to a certain point that you just can't get through to someone for some reason or another. I was giving Ernie for credit that I could explain this for him to understand, but I guess not. Yes it's a real Ferrari! Yes it's a repaired F40! But No is it an original F40 LM! It's only an F40 LM as much as a 288 GTO conversion from a 308. That would be a Ferrari too, but who would call it a real 288 GTO? Only difference that may give a F40 LM conversion/recreation more respect is if none of them were done by the factory or a close partner like Micholetti (sp?). Where as all 288 GTO's were done by the factory. Here's my definitions that I think everyone can agree too but Ernie... 100% original Ferrari - From the factory as is with no modifications. Repair - 100% original Ferrari that has had some level of repair. This can be one little piece or it can be almost the entire car. Recreation/Conversion - 100% original Ferrari that has been modified in one form or another into another somewhat similar model, but it never left the factory intended to be this model. Still a Ferrari, but not officially the new model. These are all the 308 to 288 GTO's, 330 2+2 to 250 GTO's, and Rolands F40 to F40 LM. Fake/Kit car - These are the 280 Z's and stuff made to look like 250 GTO's that have nothing Ferrari about them except their look. Now hear me out, these classifications are not black and white. Generally the market will reward the above from top down compared to whatever Ferrari model the car represents. However, that may not always be true. Who on here doesn't agree what I just said besides Ernie? Roland's car is not an original F40 LM! Damn some people are just thick. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 849 Registered: 10-2001 |
Its a real Ferrari just not a real F40 LM . Its a F40 LM reproduction.Anyway , its an amazing car and im Glad Roland Linder saved an F40 from death. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 716 Registered: 2-2002 |
Chris and indeed everyone else here - I have a very simple and innocent question.... Why would someone buy a wrecked F40 (as per David's pictures) and then proceed to spend thousands and thousands of dollars restoring it....enough to be beyond the cost of a normal F40. Surely it would be more cost effective to purchase a "conventional" F40...?? (perhaps I'm wrong.) Or do these guys do these things as a pure labour of love (i.e.money isn't the issue...)Because I CAN understand the satisfaction derived from taking what is effectively a bent piece of frame and turning into a perfect car again... | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 671 Registered: 11-2001 |
PSk, About the Prodrive cars yes they are real Ferrari's. Prodrive bought two used 550's and they stripped them down. The steel monocoque was stiffened and reinforced with a tubular rollcage. As for the rest of the car, the body pannels were carbon fiber. As for the engines, the block and heads were original factory items as required by the FIA rules. Stripped down or not the first two 550's were for sure real Ferrari's. But if you wanna be anal about it. They really weren't 550's or even 575's. They were really 585's (5853cc). Cause that is what Prodrive punched them out to, so they could stomp the Vetts. So yeah you are right they aren't 550's, but they are Ferrari's. | ||
| Tim Barnett (Tim_barnett)
New member Username: Tim_barnett Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2003 |
Psk, I completely agree with your comments about the F40's power delivery. Turbocharged cars often feel faster than they really are when they spool up and you get a big spike in the torque curve. And to be fair, I've never driven an F40, although Dave Helms was going to give me a ride in John Moore's last Saturday before it suffered a mechanical failure. The likely culprit was a blown turbo. However, I've seen Roland's car at the track on three different occasions and it just doesn't seem that quick to me. This is just an observation from the trackside... And I was just poking a little fun at Josh - no offense Josh BTW! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 432 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tim, The F40 would feel like a lot more power than a Lambo, even more than it actual has. This I believe is due to the way the turbos come in and the very steep torque curve. This is one dangerous car , and why I think it is the ultimate toy to try and tame. Not the best torque curve for drivability or for racing I bet ... but what fun!!! If I could win Lotto twice I would have one asap. Pete | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 431 Registered: 11-2002 |
This F40 (as everybody is saying) was restored in an amazing restoration. During this restoration phase it was upgraded to LM specs. Thus it is not a genuine LM but 100% a genuine F40. I hope that clears any confusion. A restoration does not make a car non-genuine, but changing the specifications does. Like restoring an Alfa GTV into a GTA. Never left the Alfa factory as a GTA thus it is not a genuine GTA but a tarted up GTV. The Prodrive 550's are not really Ferraris either, but race cars built using a modified Ferrari 550 engine (not that modified, ie. still use original crank and rods, which is impressive). The rest of the car is definitely not Ferrari, or never was made by Ferrari, even the gearbox is a race item not the original. Unfortunately most modern serious race cars have almost nothing to do with the road car model. Just like the Vipers and Camaro's, etc. Pete | ||
| Tim Barnett (Tim_barnett)
New member Username: Tim_barnett Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2003 |
Lamborghini Jalpa? | ||
| Josh Siegel (Mousejstr)
New member Username: Mousejstr Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
I've ridden in this car as it ran away from another F40 on a track... I drive a high HP lamborghini and I've never had my neck snapped back like I did in this car. I ended up being greatful I was wearing a helmet with the G-forces that were throwing me back and forth. Roland is a amazing guy and I learned more from the 20 minutes I road in his car on a track then I did in 4 days in a grand prix class. thank god he saved this baby.. | ||
| Tim Barnett (Tim_barnett)
New member Username: Tim_barnett Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2003 |
Rob, I take your point about Roland keeping the boost down. However it didn't even look as quick as a stock F40 that happened to be on the track that same day. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 797 Registered: 1-2002 |
ernie- rob's simply trying to convey that, when this f40 was born, it didn't have the dimples and physique that would designate it as an f40 "LM", but after a series of trying hardships, some time at the gym and spa it "acquired" those dimples, cow-lick, and physique and is now guised in an f40LM-esque dememnor. ps- guys, it's wednesday night, being online is bad enough, arguing is worse. i mean, c'mon, allan hasn't posted any "specs" in over a day. | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 670 Registered: 11-2001 |
What ever. Rob you are the one that doesn't know what he is talking about. The car was a salvage, and he restored it from the original car. A recreation would mean that absolutley nothing from the original car was used. Or maybe it is because the frame wasn't welded together in Italy at the factory. Gee if that is the case then I guess the Prodrive 550 isn't a real Ferrari either. Or any of the F40's that got bent racing and were fixxed by the race teams. Hey maybe someone should tip off Ferrari about the "fake" F40 LM thats is being paraded around as the real thing. NO it isn't a, never been touched, 100% factory original car. But it is a real F40, and a F40 LM at that. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 479 Registered: 6-2002 |
Haha, you guys cant even be nice to each other. Its an F40 for god's sake, and it awesome! Who cares if it a conversion or a restoration. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 367 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was at Buttonwillow that day, also. Thanks again for the kind invite, Chris. I learned that Roland's car looks great, wasn't running all that great, and didn't begin its life as an LM. Not sure that makes it a re-creation, though. Might also be termed a conversion. Or, to some, a Dino. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4788 Registered: 12-2000 |
I would think Roland should keep it turned down a few notches. I think a real LM would need $50k engine rebuilds every 1-2k miles. | ||
| Tim Barnett (Tim_barnett)
New member Username: Tim_barnett Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2003 |
I saw the car last weekend on the track at PPIR. It looks sharp, but I wonder if it's fully sorted yet. It didn't look anything like as fast as a 700+ hp "LM" ought to be. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4787 Registered: 12-2000 |
Ernie, you still have no clue what you're talking about. This car is without a doubt a recreation of a F40 LM and a repair of a F40. Still problems understanding that? | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 669 Registered: 11-2001 |
I know pleanty about the car. I have read the posts, and I have read the article. I have even done better than that I have seen the car in person, and talked to Roland in person. I was around Roland's, Chris's and Tim's F40's for an entire day. I even have video to prove it! So with two other F40's to compair the car two, and all day to do it in person, and all day to talk to the owners, and all day to watch the cars run in person, and get into the car, and all the other information. I can say I know exactly what I'm talking about. I still say it is a beautiful RESTORATION. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 478 Registered: 6-2002 |
HMMmm rift among the natives! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4786 Registered: 12-2000 |
You're telling me this is a repair of F40 LM? You know nothing about this car. Read the post or better yet read the article. | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 668 Registered: 11-2001 |
It is NO WAY a reacreation. It is a repair, and an amazing one at that. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4784 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't think anyone has said it's not a real Ferrari. It's a recreation though using as many Ferrari parts as possible. | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 666 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hey Chris, good to see you post. I can vouch for Roland's car not running right. I was with Chris at Buttonwillow last year and Rolands car was missing big time. But this just goes to show what I have been saying for quite some time. Ferrari owners are relentlessly ripped off at almost every turn. As for it not being a real Ferrari. I don't think so! It is the real deal in every way. Even the facory doesn't use 100% Ferrari parts. Roland is a true example of a Ferrari Tifosi. Bravo Roland! | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 639 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well said, Chris. I read the article in Forza and was under the same impression. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 638 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 604 Registered: 3-2002 |
David, I have an opinion on this subject, I invite your comments. I must admit I am surprised you have the courage to acknowledge you are associated with this car. Could it be because Roland is such a gentlemen, he does not like to discuss his association with you? I am assuming the "99%" you take credit for is the work you charged Roland for, not the "1%" that tooks months of work and thousands of dollars spent to make the car actually run, stop, and handle after it left your shop? Do you take pride in taking credit for a car that would not run properly for months after Roland picked it up? Was there an agreement for you to charge for, but not provide a completed or running car? Do you think you deserve credit for the countless hours and thousands of additional dollars spent by Roland to make the car run properly after it left your shop? It was Roland Linder, Dave Helms with Ferrari of Denver and others that finally got the car sorted, not you. Have you reimbursed Roland for the thousands of dollars it took to make the car run after it left your shop? Did you even offer? If the amount I was told you charged Roland was correct, I would have more respect for you if you had simply held a gun to his head and stole his wallet. I think it says volumes that Roland has not acknowledged your participation with this car. In my opinion, if anybody says anything different, I agree, they are lying. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4782 Registered: 12-2000 |
I agree with you PSK, this car is 0% orginal LM and maybe 40% orginal F40. However, 100% a Ferrari in my book and honorable that someone rescued it. I cringe at all the 250 PF's and 330 2+2's that have been hacked for recreations and the sort. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 430 Registered: 11-2002 |
A restoration of a car no matter how bad is was when you started it that car when you finished. This is called continuous history. Even Ferrari when racing, say a P4 replace chassis's due to accidents, etc. and this car is still a genuine P4 after the chassis replacement. Thus there is no difference with cutting out a panel due to rust and welding in a NEW NON-FERRARI bit of melal, than creating a new chassis (whole or part due to damage or rust). That is what restoration is all about. Pete ps: otherwise 99% of restored cars are fakes! ps1: what replacement of orginal components does affect is the value of the vehicle. Thus a 100% original 250GTO would be worth a lot more than a restored one that required 65% of the metal work to be replaced ... for example. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4487 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 791 Registered: 1-2002 |
Allan- Driven F40's with tubi, cats, and maybe some "work" go for low 300's, but, you'd probably prefer a Diablo GT-R, no? PS- if you're enamored by that rebuild, you should snoop around for the one of the crashed F40 rebuilt by a Ferrari mechanic; funny what some will do for love. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 477 Registered: 6-2002 |
Simply amazing, great job! What can one buy a F40 these days for? Not a garage queen, but a nice used example, that was maintained, miles are not an issue. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 265 Registered: 12-2002 |
God, that's some peice of work. | ||
| David M. Castelhano (Servizioman)
New member Username: Servizioman Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan, My shop discovered the car at an insurance auction in the Pacific Northwest. I have attached before and after pictures and have hundreds more for those who'd like to have them. Roland does not like to acknowledge our efforts but we did rebuild 99% of the car. Anyone that tells you differently is lying.     | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 476 Registered: 6-2002 |
Anytime! You know i love those Ferrari's! | ||
| BJ (Bjkim)
Junior Member Username: Bjkim Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2002 |
very nice Allan!! thank you for sharing Ferrari pics. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4776 Registered: 12-2000 |
So would I Dave. | ||
| Dave Goldman (Dave328)
Junior Member Username: Dave328 Post Number: 151 Registered: 11-2002 |
DAMN! Roland must own some kind of record for having the most pictures of his car on the internet! LOL BTW, I ran directly behind him on the ralley to the track at last years French Quarter Concourso and that car BAAAAAAAD!!!I'd happily promise my first born for that car, %99.9 or not! Dave | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4775 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, that's my first point, it was built from a F40, but it also hinted at not much was used from that F40, maybe even the chasis? So the engine and trans are from a Ferrari and the doors? | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 627 Registered: 8-2001 |
Roland's car was built from a stock F40 that caught on fire. Forze did an article on his car a few months back! Benny Caiola of the Empire State Region FCA has both a F40 LM and an even rarer F40 GTE from the BPR series. Those cars are awesome and are reputed to make close to 730 hp. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4773 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't think the chasis is real either. By 99.9% I mean that 99.9% of Ferraris are closer to 100% real than this one. Don't get me wrong, I love the car, I think it's a Ferrari, I would rather see them rebuilt than trashed, the engine is the heart and soul of the Ferrari, right? Roland and those that helped him have truely built a work of art and on a budget too. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4479 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think the only "real" ferrari parts are chassis, doors, engine, trans and some other odds and ends. The rest are fabricated or just plain made for him It's more accurate to say his car is 60% "real Ferrari" | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4772 Registered: 12-2000 |
LOL, actually, most of it is a Ferrari. I consider it a Ferrari, but a few may technically not and many may consider it a mod F40 and not a LM. Roland is a user of the board, but doesn't come out much. So funny Allan, the one car you post as a real Ferrari is actually less so than 99.9% of the real Ferraris out there. True colors man. | ||
| IJVPF355 (Ijvpet)
New member Username: Ijvpet Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2002 |
Very Nice!!! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 475 Registered: 6-2002 |
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