| Author | Message | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2003 |
Probably because you make too much sense. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 406 Registered: 1-2003 |
Just suprised no one has replied to my posts!  | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 383 Registered: 1-2003 |
Manu...Lets put the 'flamboyant' factor aside for a minute and get back to my original point that you and Tino are not addressing. Again, pipe length is a critical factor in performance of exhaust systems. That is a stone-cold fact! Why do you feel this is not worthy of conversation? It has nothing to do with flamboyancy, but everything to do with performance! And is not performance why we spend so much money on expensive add-ons to our cars Vs the ricers that buy pipes just for the sound they make? | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 723 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter - trust me - American supercar/sport car owners ARE DEFINITELY more flamboyant than their UK counterparts... Whether your needs be more sound OR, as in your case, more power... You guys are prepared to change exhausts, rims, headers, ECUs etc etc....... it's great. People in UK think that putting a proper exhaust on a Ferrari is some kind heresy... forget about wheels and performance upgrades.... pathetic if you ask me. P.S. Tino - we have the same problem.. :grin: | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 279 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hey Manu, things are OK here if we could only get enough Tubi's for 360's !! Peter, my whole dissertation was about CAT-BACK systems and no other changes upstream between them and the engine. All I was talking about was comparing a stock set up with just the cat-back mufflers swapped.Of course "headers" design and length of tubes are very important to power delivery. | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2003 |
Flamboyant? I don't think so. If you missed it in my post, I stated 'The tubes need to be of equal length so your gas flow velocities are the same with one bank of cylinders exiting one side of the car and the other bank exiting the other side'. I am after performance, not the sound. With due respect of his post, Tino did not go into ANY details regarding pipe length which is a EXTREMELY critical factor for tuned exhausts. I challenge him to do so. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 720 Registered: 2-2002 |
Tino is right guys... Perhaps it's because you guys (US owners) are more flamboyant than most market and therfore *NEED* your Ferrari to sound like a Ferrari should, but it appears that Tubi is near standard equipment out there... It's a mega conversion rate whatever the figures! How ya doing Tino? | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 357 Registered: 1-2003 |
Tino..Maybe I can get my mechanic to chime in on this one (If I can pull him away from my car!). ` | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 278 Registered: 8-2001 |
Peter, we have been testing stock versus Tubi versus everything under the sun, on the same dyno's, in the same weather, on the same car, with the same man in the driver's seat and the same man reading the screen. It's been done on Audi TT, on an F50 and almost everything in between. I am sorry to tell you that nobody (with cats on )should buy a cat-back system if you're interested in just HP/TQ increase. The max we've ever experienced is less then 4% of RWHP and your pants would have to be very thin to feel the extra in your seat. Change intake and (some) headers and you may get to feel the difference. Tubi does a lot of stuff for customers around Maranello where they are but can't advertize it. And Bart, Ferrari is too cheap when it comes to production mufflers (I have my 360 stock muffler on the floor and it pales in comparison to my Tubi). FYI, Tubi loves that because the aftermarket business they have far outweighs the 15 units/day they could sell to Ferrari for their production line. The percentage of Tubi's installed on modern Ferrari is phenomenal compared not only to the competition (Ansa, Supersprint, Fuchs..etc) but also when compared to typical other performance cars, (The industry norm is 1% of a given model of performance car gets an aftermarket cat-back exhaust. The percentage with Tubi on Ferrari is well into the double-digits) | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 356 Registered: 1-2003 |
I guess I should augment my last post since I received two emails off-line about this topic. The TUBI exhaust is generally a bolt-in muffler box with some tips welded on. The welds are Tig and are of a good quality, the assembly is stainless Vs titanium enriched stainless (that my mechanic is building for my car). It is pretty safe to build any kind of muffler box where the motor is in the chassis front-to-back. The muffler on its own will noticeably change the sound of the car. It seems that all exhaust builders claim significant horse power increases but the real test would be to take the product and do the dyno testing your self. Where things get tricky is when the motor is in the car mounted in the chassis transverse. You have a long pipe from the front header and a short pipe from the rear header. If you bolt on a muffler assembly, you will change the sound whether it is a Anza or TUBI assembly, but to really create some horse power and get up and go, those tubes need to be of equal length so your gas flow velocities are the same with one bank of cylinders exiting one side of the car and the other bank exiting the other side. All American Lemans Cars Exhaust Systems are built with this underlying theory, street cars are no different. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2003 |
Tubi is an Italian company which Ferrari does not use a original equipment. | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
Member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 262 Registered: 2-2003 |
LOL at Jim E's answer! | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 352 Registered: 1-2003 |
I looked at TUBI and thought their system was overpriced and leaned their sale more towards the sound Vs the creation of pure HP. Not to start another 'Tell me about driving around at High RPM', but I am in the process of having a custom exhaust made for my 308 that will turn a few heads when I post the pics. I think this system will blow a few minds(and not a lot of wallets). | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1759 Registered: 7-2001 |
It's the first line of a famous soliloquy written by William Shakespeare: "Tubi or not Tubi, that is the question." | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 660 Registered: 11-2001 |
Tubi is short for Tubilard. hahahahaaaa. Kinda like chubby. | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Junior Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2003 |
A little "Dead" lyrics. I like that. | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 277 Registered: 8-2001 |
Oh boy, I can't stay out of this one. I am the guy who does not really like his line of work and runs a Tubi business between meetings. Today I actually cancelled a meeting to help install a prototype Tubi on a new car. Amazingly, it never fails, when you take off the stock muffler and put it on a piece of carpet next to the new Tubi, you get your first doze of WOW, a few minutes later, you start your car up with the Tubi and get your second doze. There's no alternative in my mind (highly biased of course).I have Tubi's on both my 360 and NSX and, many months later, I still drive with the windows down. We have a young website for the new C5 Corvette Tubi, check it out at www.mensilift.com/tubi , it does have general info and link to the corporate site in Italy. | ||
| Craig A (Milo)
Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 83 Registered: 4-2003 |
Something I DON'T have but WANT/NEED badly. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4777 Registered: 12-2000 |
Truckin' got my chips cashed in. Keep truckin', like the do-dah man Together, more or less in line, just keep truckin' on. Arrows of neon and flashing marquees out on Main Street. Chicago, New York, Detroit and it's all on the same street. Your typical city involved in a typical daydream Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings. Dallas, got a soft machine; Houston, too close to New Orleans; New York's got the ways and means; but just won't let you be, oh no. | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Junior Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2003 |
"Adds horsepower", ahh, nominal if you only add the Tubi and do not get rid of those stinkin catalytic converters. Sound good? Oh yeahh! Even better with the test pipes! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3876 Registered: 8-2002 |
Collin; a Tubi Solo on a 550 is probably the sweetest thing you'll EVER hear... | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 100 Registered: 3-2003 |
Tubi makes carbon fiber accessories for the 360 modena also. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 573 Registered: 1-2003 |
What is a Tubi??? Oh, about $3,200 installed IN TEXAS!!!! | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 72 Registered: 1-2003 |
Calif and FL only............. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4481 Registered: 8-2002 |
Art, Way to go! "They're only sold for California cars." Damn tree hugging, granola eating, John Muir reading, VW van driving, bead wearing, tidye making, grateful dead listening, draft dodging, hippies are going to get wind of this now Matt | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1529 Registered: 6-2001 |
In Texas, they don't allow them, so don't even think of putting one on your car. They're only sold for California cars. Art | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1103 Registered: 5-2002 |
My old pig ain't runnin'. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4480 Registered: 8-2002 |
"thats like asking who Mopar is." Mainly old parts and rust? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 546 Registered: 9-2002 |
They also make headers or a number of F-cars. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
New member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2003 |
A TUBI is an exhuast system which replaces the stock Ferrari system. Adds HP and makes the car sound heavenly...... | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 545 Registered: 9-2002 |
oh boy.... thats like asking who Mopar is. | ||
| Collin Hays (Chaysintexas)
Junior Member Username: Chaysintexas Post Number: 105 Registered: 4-2002 |
Can someone please explain what a "TUBI" is and what's so hot about it? Seems all I hear is Tubi-this, Tubi-that. WHAT IS A TUBI????? |