| Author | Message | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 342 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jason "The styling is blah and the engine pep is nothing to get excited about." Agree that the styling of the Maserati is a little conservative, but if you find the engine pep unexciting, you must be seriously disappointed by the Boxster, C2, C4 & 4S, because it's quicker than any of those. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2003 |
>There should be two new Dinos... A cheaper more luxurious Maserati and a stripped out Ferrari version with F1 shifters standard. Maybe a front mid mounted 3000cc V6 for the Maserati and a mid rear mounted 3200cc six for the Fcar...< Now you're talking! If Porsche can sell 500 GT3s at $100K, then Maserati can sell 1000 new kick ass Dinos for $125K that will kick WRX butt! Why would I like to see this? Because I'd love to buy a modern Dino that looks exactly like the old Chairs and Flares, but with an AC that works (I do live in Texas) and a great motor. Let's see howza bout a 12,000 rpm redline! Dale | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
New member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2003 |
There should be two new Dinos... A cheaper more luxurious Maserati and a stripped out Ferrari version with F1 shifters standard. Maybe a front mid mounted 3000cc V6 for the Maserati and a mid rear mounted 3200cc six for the Fcar... | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2001 |
Seems to me that at the price point of $45-60k mentioned, one could just buy an original Dino 246. I know I'd rather have one than any new car. They are smog exempt now even in California, and much easier to play with in the garage and than any of this new fangled stuff. I believe they also fit 6'2" Texans as requested. They will most likely never be worth less. Too slow? That can be fixed for a few grand. (spent on bigger carbs and different cams or spent on track school). | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 930 Registered: 5-2001 |
oops----breaking! | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 929 Registered: 5-2001 |
Matt, I'm not bitter-I just enjoy breking Frank's chops. | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2002 |
"When Mr. Ferrari badged some as his cars DINO (Including some V12's) it was an homage to his son who he loved very much, not an attempt to offer a lower price Ferrari. The first Dino's were works race cars not road cars. Thank you Jim - You Are So Correct..... Dale - Porsche had the same problem you menttion with the 914-6. Started to threaten 911 sales..and pulled it... My .02 | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1260 Registered: 10-2002 |
The first Ferrari Sports racing car that John Surtees drove for one. There were others as PSK pointed out, Tasman Seris formula cars. (Check Search) | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2269 Registered: 9-2001 |
James, what V12 was badged a Dino ? | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 642 Registered: 4-2002 |
"Capitalism creates by destroying the slow and the weak." I have not noticed my Ferrari being either slow or weak. Ferrari has made at least as much progress in the past 30 years as any other big automaker. "Point being that, if Ferrari does not grow by making as much money as it can, someday it too will be gone." This theory works only if you are talking about generic interchangable stuff (bread, fords, chevys,...) where there is competition. Ferrari, Rolex, Astro Physics business model is based on milking the select few who don't care abut the last 50% of the cost structure, but just plain want the best. If a manufacturer got their act together and made as good a product as a Ferrari (right down to the soul) that looked as good as a Ferrari (PinninFarina) and ran as good as a Ferrari; they could charge as much as Ferrari. Those cars have not arrived.....yet! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1259 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dale Ferrari's financials are in the best shape they've ever been. They feel and I agree that diluting their product with a low price higher production car is not in their, or their shareholders best interest and I agree. Best Jim PS I had one of those. They were great. Mine was a 68. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2003 |
JASON: >I think it would be a great idea to make the Maser's compete with the Boxster< Hmmm, might be on to something there. Why not build the Boxster that Porsche should have built, but will not to avoid losing 911 sales? JAMES: >Ferrari doesn't pay for F1 their sponsors do. Ferrari makes much of it's profit from merchandice licencing< Going all the way back to High School (which was a long time ago), I have always been a brit bike fan. IMNSHO, the 1970 Triumph Bonniville that I have resting the my garage is the most beautiful motorcycle ever built. Indeed, 1970 was the most profitable year ever for Triumph. 13 years later Truimph went bust. Like the guy in the Beatles song, "They didn't notice that the lights had changed." Capitalism creates by destroying the slow and the weak. Point being that, if Ferrari does not grow by making as much money as it can, someday it too will be gone. Dale | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1258 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jason Ferrari doesn't pay for F1 their sponsors do. Ferrari makes much of it's profit from merchandice licencing. So far I haven't noticed my Maser has no pep. Perhaps it's me. | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
Junior Member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 92 Registered: 1-2003 |
I think it would be a great idea to make the Maser's compete with the Boxster. IMO, the Maser's are too much for too little. The styling is blah and the engine pep is nothing to get excited about. Put a Maser next to a new Boxster S and there's little question which one looks more appealing, and when you throw in the price difference, it's a wonder anyone buys a Maser. If Ferrari put in a peppy v-6 (0-60 in 5.5, 5.0), 18" wheels and a rag top and priced it between $45k and $60k, it'd be a hit, so long as the styling was as intriguing as the 360's or 575's. Ferrari would double it's profits, which means more money to kick ass in F1. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1254 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dale Ferrari's are Ferrari's because they've stuck to the way they've done things and continue to. As VW had found out (read todays WSJ) changing from your core can be tricky. ( VW Phaton) . One of the reason's that Ferrari can get 660K for an Enzo is because those who can afford and want them feel they are made by a co that is carrying on a long and special tradition. Finding someone to build 1000 lower cost Ferrari's wouldn't fit into that. When Mr. Ferrari badged some as his cars DINO (Including some V12's) it was an homage to his son who he loved very much, not an attempt to offer a lower price Ferrari. The first Dino's were works race cars not road cars. Best Jim | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2003 |
JAMES >IMHO as they are capacity constrained and have stated that they don't plan to change that it's unlkely they'll build a lower priced Ferrari.< Are they really constrained? After all, Porsche jobbed out the Boxsters to the Finns. Surely, there must be someplace in Italy to build a couple thousand more cars. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1253 Registered: 10-2002 |
IMHO as they are capacity constrained and have stated that they don't plan to change that it's unlkely they'll build a lower priced Ferrari. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2003 |
KEN: >Maserati is an entry level Dino, not Ferrari.< Maybe its just me, but the Maseratis look more like GT cars than a sports car. I'd love to see Ferrari build a street legal club racer car that actually sold for under $125K. ROBERT: >If they did build such a car I guarantee you they would not sell it for less than 100k< Well, the new GT3 is $100k, but I bet that most of them will go out the door over $125K. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2262 Registered: 9-2001 |
They have one already and they are selling well. It's called the 360. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2519 Registered: 2-2001 |
i'd go for a retro front engine Maserati roadster with a 4.2 V8, style it like a 50s sports racer  or maybe a new Bora or Ghibli, Sweet | ||
| Terry Limehouse (Terrykarr)
Junior Member Username: Terrykarr Post Number: 122 Registered: 12-2002 |
I don't know about the rest of you but my Dino is a Ferrari, says so right on the deck lid, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4520 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sean, You are very correct. He even complains that his own car is a dino. Whatever Frank. Matt | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 119 Registered: 2-2003 |
Doesn't Frank have a Boxer? So he's not a real Ferrari owner then? | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4516 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sean, Tom got to the reply before I did. Yes, In the world according to Frank Parker. v-12 + front engine = Ferrari v-12 + rear engine = Dino. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3546 Registered: 9-2001 |
Sean According to the Parker book of a true Ferrari those cars violate rule number 2, any true ferrari must have the engine in front not behind the driver | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 851 Registered: 10-2001 |
Honda built an NSX , not a modern day Dino. Only Ferrari can build a modern Dino. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 117 Registered: 2-2003 |
Mlemus, The F-50 and Enzo had 12-cyclinders therefor are "real" Ferrari's. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 812 Registered: 2-2002 |
Honda built a modern day Dino and called it the Acura NSX. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 850 Registered: 10-2001 |
The answers to my prayers ahs been answered with the 360 Stradale. Although a cheaper , track orientated Ferrari would be awesome. 3.0 V6 ( around 330 hp with the usual 110 hp/l ) 350 mm discs in Carbon Ceramics Improved F1 gearbox or 6 speed manual Minimal Interior with just A/C Racing buckets Fire extinguisher Max weight of 1100 kgs *drooling* ! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 867 Registered: 10-2001 |
Maserati is an entry level Dino, not Ferrari. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 315 Registered: 5-2002 |
If they did build such a car I guarantee you they would not sell it for less than 100k. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1225 Registered: 10-2001 |
Omar you hit the nail on the head, the Maserati IS the entry level Ferrari | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4484 Registered: 8-2002 |
Marty, You still bitter? You just sold your Dino 360 and bought a real Ferrari. I guess according to Frank, the 288 GTO, F-40, F-50, and Enzo are not ferrari's as well. Kinda sad when a company names a car after the founder and it is still not considered a Ferrari. Matt | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 548 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think Ferrari has a "dino type" car now....the Masi's | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 925 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ask Frank Parker-he's the chat's DINO specialist. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2003 |
Just curious... How much would you pay for a modern Dino that would be Ferrari�s answer to a Boxster S or, better yet, the new GT3? Here�s what I�m thinking, hot V6, mid-engine, 6 sp, big tires, big brakes, minimal interior but great seats, an AC that works, maybe a ragtop, maybe a coupe, great styling (none of this bullnose crap that is currently hip, ugh) and enough headroom to fit a 6'2" Texan. I�m thinking more of a factory club sport than a luxury GT like the 550/575. Yeah, I know Ferrari already sells everything it builds, but ask any Porsche guy (or gal), the Boxster saved Porsche. In fact, Porsche only problem is figuring out how to keep the Boxster from being too good and eating up 911 sales. What do you think? |