| Author | Message | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1681 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, so I know this thread has already been filed away in the archives, but something's been driving me crazy. After studying the "artwork" hanging on the wall in the factory reception area (Andreas' post on May 9 at 2:08PM below) and doing a little research, I've come up with an interesting theory: 750 Monza s/n 0572 M (Andreas' post on May 9 at 9:43AM below) was wrecked by Jean Alesi during the 1993 Mille Miglia and subsequently rebodied. The "artwork" and 0572 M are a perfect match! That must be the repaired remains of 0572 M's previous body hanging on the reception area wall! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 978 Registered: 10-2002 |
Since it is a bit more racing related, I have started a new thread in the racing section about the Imola GP and will post their a bunch of pictures from the race. Hope you enjoy those as well. Content will be mostly F focused. Mostly... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 972 Registered: 10-2002 |
 Anthony, here you go. Pretty worn, I agree. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2002 |
Andreas, can you post a close-up shot of the front tyre of the 550 Barchetta that we saw outside the factory? I remember being amazed at the lack of tread. Looked like the car had been well used on the journey from Holland! | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 621 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, People from Switzerland can be so strict!!!  Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 961 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Jens, but I don't want to use up too much server and download resources with more of the same. My next postings will be about the GP. BTW: Ever heard of the masochist who met a sadist? Masochist goes 'torture me pleeeeeease!'. Sadist goes: 'Nooooooooooooooooo' | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 618 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, More pleeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!!! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 957 Registered: 10-2002 |
Still working on some of the F1 pics, so here some more from Maranello:  As we pulled into the parking lot of the Domus hotel, guess who parked there already?  Yes, it was the team, sans drivers though. That is, no current driver. Phil Hill was there however.  "Proof" that I made it into the factory. This artwork is on the inside of the factory buildings.  Just outside the pearly gates. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 936 Registered: 10-2002 |
The unbeatable L. Wayne Ausbrooks strikes again! Man, you're good! Spot on on everything. Minardi F2 with a Dino 206 engine. This car was btw displayed in 'downtown' Imola on the way from the train station to the GP track. Very nice touch I thought. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1610 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, since no one else is taking shot at it, I'm going to take a guess: One of the 1982 Minardi M282 F2 cars with Dino V-6 engines, which were only run in one race that year (Mugello). Minardi ran BMW engines the rest of the year. ? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3915 Registered: 8-2002 |
i'd love to be able to take 100 shots of a 308... All different angles; interior; exterior; engine, etc, etc, etc... | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 593 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, Ohhhh god? I am not Wayne! Would guess on a Formula 3 car since I would recognise a F1 Minardi (At least I hope so!) Parts? Just too much for me! Would guess on a Ferrari engine but this is most probably wrong. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Guess I still have a lot to learn and read... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 931 Registered: 10-2002 |
You're on the right track Jens. What engine? What kind of car? | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 592 Registered: 9-2001 |
A Minardi with perhaps a Ferrari engine or parts? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 930 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne, I just checked and realized, that the car I saw in FL was indeed a 166 Spyder Corsa. Not that I ever doubted your statements. Before I leave for the weekend (figuratively speaking), here a last challenge: What car is this and what is its connection to Ferrari?  DES, in many, many years from now I'll probably put together a book. But before then I need to get a lot more good shots of the old and rare ones. Nobody wants to see 100 shots of say a 308. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3913 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andreas, that's pretty funny... Even without cup holders, i'd still take the Enzo, by the way... Will you ever publish a book with all your photos...? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 929 Registered: 10-2002 |
DES, thanks for the kind words. I can be proud if I help light the fire in you (although I bet you had that in you anyway). As I said to my girl friend at our first date: "I love to take pictures...". At which point she almost walked away. Glad she didn't. I meant it sincerely. Oh well. The interior shot was done by simply holding the camera inside the car, arm stretched out. I'm always trying to get the driver's perspective. Used a wide angle lens (24mm) and no flash. In hindsight I wished I had taken more of the Enzo, but I run out of film (last few hours of the trip, before wheels up at the airport). Good reason to come back I suppose. Run out of time this week, but stay tuned for next week's special on the Imola GP where a certain Herr Schumacher won. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1609 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks, guys. You know I live for stuff like this, don't you? Andreas, there is no surviving 125S. They have since become 166 Spyder Corsas. As for the "car" on the wall, it looks like a 500 Mondial PF Spyder (short length, no hood scoop), though the fuel filer placement looks like that on 375 MM s/n 0412 AM. I would guess, though, that it's only a peice of fiberglass artwork. Anyone know otherwise? | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2002 |
Wayne, You rule! Andreas, Thanks for the fantastic pictures. Ton | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3911 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andreas, you rock...! Just thought i'd let you know; after i bought my camera and started taking pictures and realized how nice some of them can come out, i thought of you and all the pictures you take and post; you've inspired me to always take the best possible shots of cars, whenever i can; thank you. The shots of the Enzo are awesome... You're second shot (from the top) is the best (in my opinion); how did you get an interior shot, like the last photo...? Thanks for posting, i love this car more than any other car, ever. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 591 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, If you got 1000 pics I propose you only post the 500 best. I would be highly satisfied with this compromise! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Never mind about the wings! If you like it go for it! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 927 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jens, I realize I'm in a total minority in regards to after market add-on wings. Most people politely 'overlook' the monstrosity at the rear of my car...I know it is probably bad taste, problem is, I just totally love it. Sigh. Can't post all my pics here, took over 1,000 in one week (not my personal best or worst, did 1,000 once in a day...). DES, here just for you. I actually was a tad 'annoyed' by the Enzo in the Gallery. I'd rather have seen more Ferraris from the fifties, but such is life:   These are from the Enzo at the F dealer in Modena.   Do you realize the car has no cup holders? My rental had at least one. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3908 Registered: 8-2002 |
L. Wayne blows my mind with stuff like this... There should be a Ferrari game show and he should be the host... Like Jeopardy... Wayne, do you watch Jeopardy...? Have they ever had a Ferrari category or a special "cars" episode...? Andreas, these pictures are so awesome, you have no idea... i can only imagine the great time you had... i see an Enzo in the background of one of your pictures; please tell me you took some shots of it... Please... Pretty please... | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 582 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, Although we seem to have different opinions about Ferraris with aftermarket wings and spoilers ( ) I am really stunned by the pictures! CONGRATULATIONS! Please post all you have since Ferraris in Italy are truly an unbeatable combination! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 925 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne, of course you got them right again. The thing that kills me most about you, is that you even have s/n. I'm speechless. Now can you tell me pls what's hanging on the factory wall? I'm thinking some 250 TR? Also I didn't know, that the 125 in the gallery was a replica. You call it a recreation, so is it a rebuild? I think I saw its 'sister' car s/n 002 at the Breakers in FL several years ago (mentioned also in Forza) and thought this was s/n 001, so I'm kinda disappointed, that you're saying this ain't real? Can you shed some light on this pls? | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1607 Registered: 8-2002 |
From top to bottom: 1. 166 F@/FL s/n 0112 2. 166 Inter Touring Berlinetta s/n 0775 3. 250 TR s/n 0758 TR (foreground) and 375 Plus s/n 0384 AM (background) | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 922 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lawrence, glad if I got you started. Looking forward to see your pics. If you really care about the Stanguellinis, I bought a brochure there and could make you some copies. It has all their cars in it. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 136 Registered: 8-2002 |
L. Wayne, my italian sucks but I do have an english/italian translation book which I'll use this weekend to interpret the site. Thanks! The yellow 408 was there when I was there too. I remember seeing a red one being used as a lap car at the Vancouver CART race quite a few years ago. Andreas, you've got me motivated to post my pics from my trip there... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 921 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes Don, better late than never. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4563 Registered: 8-2002 |
The yellow one missing the body work is the 408 | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 920 Registered: 10-2002 |
Stop encouraging me. It will only get worse and I'll post more. Name these cars from the Gallery:  I have the answer.  I don't have the answer, would like to know myself.  I have the answer.  I don't have the answer. Actually not from the Gallery, but the waiting room in the factory. Nice seats btw. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1269 Registered: 10-2002 |
Great pics and diary! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 918 Registered: 10-2002 |
Even when you guess, you're spot on! Yes, the yellow is a 408. Yes, three of the mini racers were built, one for Stanguellini jr., one I don't know for and the third one for Dino Ferrari. Stanguellini gave that as a gift to Enzo. That's what my charming Italian guide told me while visiting. PS: You should make an advance reservation to visit the 'museum' as it is normally closed. However once I mentioned North America, the doors opened. Amazing how much clout our market has there. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1606 Registered: 8-2002 |
The yellow car is one of the 408s. I don't know what the connection is between the mini-Maser and Ferrari. I think there were three of them built, one for little Francesco Stanguellini. Maybe one was built for Dino Ferrari? I really don't know. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 917 Registered: 10-2002 |
While Wayne works on the Stanguellini, here a few more Maranello shots:  The church and priest of Maranello. He prays for the scarlet cars and rings the bells when they win. No joke.  Can you name this car?  An F1 engine, on display in the F1 shop.  One of the many souvenir shops in Maranello. You need a *BIG* credit card while visiting. Trust me, I thought I had it all; boy was I wrong. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 914 Registered: 10-2002 |
And Wayne gets three out of three!!!! You not 'only' know Ferraris I can tell. Wow! Yes, the black car is a Fiat carrying the license plate 'MO 1', the first car ever registered in Modena. Stanguellini is now the local Fiat dealer. There were about 1,000 Stanguellinis built and a lot of them are allegedly still in use worldwide. Bonus question for Wayne: What is the F connection to that child-size Maserati replica? BTW: You're right about the Vespa engine. It is put all the way in the front, just in front of the pedals. The car has a 3 gear gearbox and could reach 80 km/h topspeed. Gives the term boy racer a new meaning... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1605 Registered: 8-2002 |
Lawrence: http://www.stanguellini.it/ I hope your Italian is pretty good. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 135 Registered: 8-2002 |
What are Stanguellinis? The exhaust pipes from the car in the foreground are certainly different... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1604 Registered: 8-2002 |
The red cars are Stanguellinis. The black car is the 1908 Fiat type Zero, the first car registered in Modena. The small car is a child-size reproduction of a Maserati F1, powered by a Vespa 98 engine. How did I do? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 911 Registered: 10-2002 |
Let's start with the brand. All the red cars are from the same manufacturer. The black one in the middle is from somebody else. Bonus question: What's so special about the black one? BTW: If you know either (red or black), you've almost figured it out; everything is connected in this town. PS: There is also a special deal about that small car in front of the doors. ...it's something in the water of Modena, that makes all these weird things happen | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1267 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hummmm | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 910 Registered: 10-2002 |
Negative. BTW: I got you a gift from Maranello. On my next trip to NY I'll bring it with me. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1266 Registered: 10-2002 |
ASA SuperSquallo ASA | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 909 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here some more shots from the neighbourhood:  F dealer in Modena had a Schumacher and a Mansell F1...and an Enzo.  Detail from the Enzo Ferrari monument in Modena. An identical is in Maranello. Beautiful with figures/scenes depicting his life. Kinda like the Roman one in Paris.  Popquiz for Wayne Ausbrooks. Name those cars. Very difficult and you're forgiven if you can't. I have the answers btw.  The test track. Nobody was testing that day. The big building is the F1 logistics building (not the wind tunnel). | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Junior Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 239 Registered: 10-2002 |
Excellent shots Andreas!! MARK | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 282 Registered: 2-2003 |
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYes! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 907 Registered: 10-2002 |
KATSCHINGG!!! and the winner is Noel! ...did somebody cough behind your back? | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 281 Registered: 2-2003 |
54 750 monza? c'mon, i know that i was reaching with my last posts, but do i get an honorable mention???...please. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 905 Registered: 10-2002 |
Back by popular demand, some more pictures:  Since it was so much fun, let's start with another popquiz. Name that car (I have the answer). Also from the exhibit at the Gallery.  Pick something refreshing from the menu.  The Europeans are in town. Remember those balcony shots from Anthony? Wondered where they went? Well, they all met at the Gallery.  The window at the official F shop in Maranello. | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 92 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wayne - we saw 0506 in person in 1989-90 - disaster! some kind of straight 6 was jammed in it; no gauges, etc. It looks like someone is having fun with it on the historic circuit in Europe. a few issues other than the motor - wrong tach, wrong fuel gauge . . . | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1598 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks, Bryan. I figured you would know better than I. Here are some better pics of 0506 MD. The ad says that its 750 Monza engine is from 0496 M. http://www.carclassic.com/html/BU26.htm This photo appears to have been taken during the same exhibit as in Andreas' photo: http://www.carclassic.com/images1bp/BU26/BU26-1.jpg | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 857 Registered: 10-2001 |
Now that must have been an amazing trip ! More more more !! Wish i 'll do it someday with a nice V8 singing @ 8000 RPMs behind my ears | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 91 Registered: 8-2002 |
The yellow car is most likely 0506MD - last of the Series I 500 Mondials - does not have its original motor - I believe it is currently running with a 3 liter from a 750 Monza. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 895 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, one more thing Anthony: No, not in Monza. But next year in Barcelona; Elf turn. Probably again with Nick, Karen and Martin. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 894 Registered: 10-2002 |
What can I say, the master has spoken and got them all right. But thanks Wayne for giving the others at least a fighting chance. Anthony, I actually saw a few more. The one I didn't catch (and that's gonna bother me forever) was a 348 up in one of those quaint Italian medieval towns. It was zooming by in front of the old court house. That would have been the money shot, but these darn digital cams take so long to boot up. Anyway thanks all for the kind words! I'll be posting more tomorrow from work, where I have a fast Internet connection. Tomorrow's topics: Maranello and Imola - the GP! | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wow! You saw so many more Ferraris than I did! The only Ferrari we saw outside of Maranello was a 348 that I saw in Lucca 3 times. We saw 6 Ferraris in the UK on the way home from holiday though! Great, great photos. Will I see you at Monza? | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1593 Registered: 8-2002 |
They are: 1. 125 S (recreation) 2. 166 MM Touring Berlinetta s/n 0042 M (blue) 3. 340 MM Vignale Spyder s/n 0280 AM (red) 4. (possibly)500 Mondial s/n 0506 MD (yellow)(Bryan, can you verify this?) | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 277 Registered: 2-2003 |
the yellow one might also be, a 56 testa rossa, or a 55 mondial. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 276 Registered: 2-2003 |
the yellow one is tough, i'm going to go with 246 dino. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 275 Registered: 2-2003 |
the red one 2nd from right is a 250MM. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 274 Registered: 2-2003 |
the blue one might be a 195..? | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 273 Registered: 2-2003 |
okay.now i'm really going to try. in order: 125, 166(argetina?) 2-225s. let me know. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 893 Registered: 10-2002 |
There is a 166, yes, but not 212. Which one is it and what about the rest? Lawrence, yes, they change their exhibit around. Reason enough for me to go back there one day. To be perfectly honest I was almost a bit disappointed, that they 'wasted' precious exhibit space with an Enzo and a Schumacher F1. Great cars, but you can see those at other places too (e.g. at the local F dealer in Modena). I would have preferred to see less F1 (and that's me saying this, total F1 nut) and more of the really old and rare F cars. Helas, some other time. | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
Junior Member Username: Branko Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ditto, excellent photos! | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 272 Registered: 2-2003 |
166/212? | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 133 Registered: 8-2002 |
Fantastic Pics Andreas! It looks like they change the cars at the galleria on a regular basis. I had different cars when I was there. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 271 Registered: 2-2003 |
great pics!! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 892 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Rob. Here follows part 2/5:  The traffic lights in Italy change so slowly, that I had enough time running past the Duomo to catch the 348 in Firenze, before it spun off.  Off to Maranello: MS' helmet on display in the F1 shop across the factory entrance. Signed by him btw and for sale...  A F1 pit display at the Galleria.  Popquiz for all the Wayne Ausbrook's out there: Name these cars (I have the answers). | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4798 Registered: 12-2000 |
Great pictures! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 891 Registered: 10-2002 |
A few weeks back I drove parts of the famous race in a rental and as usual took pictures along the way. Here I'll share a few. Originally I wanted to keep you guys posted while traveling, but I had the hardest time to get on-line while in Italy. Besides, when you're there, you really got better things to do...(no offense though).  The first stop on the trip was Ferrara, where as luck would have it a 250 GT parked in front of the famous Estes Castle. When it drove off, you could tell the years didn't affect the sound of the engine at all.  Next stop was the Maranello Rosso museum in Rimini. Here a F1 driven by Gilles Villeneuve.  Somewhere in Tuscany I came across a parked 550.  Montepulciano is famous for its wines. Note the cars parked in front of the Enoteca. Hope the drivers stayed somewhat sober for the trip home. ...more to follow |