| Author | Message | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 613 Registered: 9-2001 |
Jack, I have to admit that I am slowly getting interested in this chip tuning project you got there... Therefore some final questions: How much power gain do you think can be expected with a 348tb with Bosch Motronic 2.5 (NOT 2.7)? Want to install the Tubi headers somewhere in the future. Do I have to install them before a probable chip tuning or does it make no difference? Note: I have already installed Tubi test pipes, Tubi exhaust and K&N air filters which brought an estimated power gain of around 30hp. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Forgot to ask about the probable price off course! | ||
| rob ferretti (Robiferretti)
Junior Member Username: Robiferretti Post Number: 214 Registered: 4-2002 |
who's hatin allan!?!? he's married to my future girlfriend, everyone be nice to him, so he doesn't ruin my half of the cars  | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 274 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan, I sent you an email. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 494 Registered: 6-2002 |
Vincent that paper was mailed awhile ago, you should of already had it. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 867 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ahh, a picture of his car with the wing (from my site).  | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 272 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan, Looks good! Glad to hear you're liking the 355 better now. I saw your carbon fiber pieces on the Lambochat those are looking sweet too! Still haven't received the paper yet. You mailed it a while back, right? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 866 Registered: 8-2001 |
The reason I ask is that I could have sworn I saw a picture of your car with one, looks good withotu but you really need a spoiler on a Diablo . | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 493 Registered: 6-2002 |
Im redoing all the rear lights and center grill in carbon fiber, so the back is actually all appart. Ive actually grown to like it without the wing and may leave it off for awhile. Im also trying to get a SV-R style wing for it. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2987 Registered: 6-2001 |
Do you see one? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 865 Registered: 8-2001 |
Allan, no spoiler on the Lambo? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 492 Registered: 6-2002 |
Last ones, plus a few for the Lambo haters!    | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 491 Registered: 6-2002 |
Couple more     | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 490 Registered: 6-2002 |
Heres a few pics, sorry but hard to get a camera in there to get good shots.     | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 489 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well i just got the car back last night, and the air filter boxes are not completed yet. I can tell you this from my short experience so far, there is a DEFINATE difference in performance. Throttle response is much improved, and the car seems to run cooler. It is much louder, but for me, a good loud. Not like 355 challange cars with open exhaust, sounds to me more like a combination of my old 930 Porsche with open exhaust and a Jap bike. So far the biggest difference i can tell is that at lower rpms, say 3,000, it is much more responsive. Punch it at 3000rpm, and you can feel it really lunge forward, when before it it was guttless below 4500rpm. The air boxes should also benefit the car. Ill see if i can take a few pictures of it now, and ill have pics of the whole process on Tuesday hopefully. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 481 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jens: The best "benchmark" (for a relative layman, no offense meant!) for a chiptuner is to look at their offerings... If they have a chip for EVERY thinkable car, it usually means that they simply increase "everything" by a few notches and call that chiptuning. Superchip offers chips for 40 (!) makes of cars (I counted the non-turbo's only...) including makes like Kia and Lada... We have been working for nearly 5 years on Alfa Romeo engines alone and HOPEFULLY will be able to offer a chip for every Alfa only next week... I can not show you this on screen here but you can translate the chip's source code into a graph and each peak of the graph relates to a specific variable in the system (ignition timing, mixture etc.). If you lay the superchip graph over the factory standard graph it's really amazing. The WHOLE graph is "upped" which makes absolutely NO sense at all as a large portion of the variables are best left alone as they will only mess up the system. To put it very simple: Why would you want to advance the ignition timing 3 degrees over the WHOLE RPM range? Will advancing it at idle give you more power? Nah... This is what most chip tuners do and gives the proffesion a bad reputation. IMHO, if you want to spend some 850 US$, there are better ways of wasting it... I think that Jim will second my opinion. JRV: >>>Don't these modern version ECU's have adaptive logic chips in them? Yes, the most modern ones do. Simpler systems like the 348 and 355 are by far not as advanced as the ME7.x that you will find in a 360 Modena but we expect (haven't had it on the dyno yet) that even with the ME7.x there are some advantages to be had as every factory builds in reserves. We'll have to wait and see what the 360 Modena will bring. Best regards, Jack | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1432 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>will not add so much power in pure HP but will defenitely increase the torque and provide a much more pleasant "character" in terms of how the engine responds to the trottle etc. << Don't these modern version ECU's have adaptive logic chips in them? | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 609 Registered: 9-2001 |
Jack, You think bad about Superchips? I was tempted to ask about their reputation at this board before! What do you think about them? Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 480 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jim, I got your message, will be in touch. Jack | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 479 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>>Droping weight off the car will provide you with the most performance increase. Not everybody is prepared to go that way and ditch the passenger seat or so... >>>The 355's motor is already producing in excess of 100bhp/litre, there's just not that much more to be had from even modern engines. Depends on how you look at it. A GOOD chip (and then I mean a REALLY good chip, NOT a chippie from Superchip.com or so) will not add so much power in pure HP but will defenitely increase the torque and provide a much more pleasant "character" in terms of how the engine responds to the trottle etc. Almost any modification that you do to an engine (carbs, inlet tract, cams etc.) will give you more power but only at the top of the RPM range. In simple terms: RPM+ = HP+ Not totally true of course but basically correct. Fact of life is that most street leagal cars are hardly ever driven at peak RPM so all those "goodies" don't do much for the driveability of the car and things like hot cams often make it a pain to drive at low RPM or even make it difficult to idle properly. IMHO a well prepared chip is most usefull and cost effective way of giving your car more OOOOMPH! Jack | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 314 Registered: 6-2002 |
Droping weight off the car will provide you with the most performance increase. The 355's motor is already producing in excess of 100bhp/litre, there's just not that much more to be had from even modern engines. (like Jim says.) BTW- Jim really knows what he's talking about, and is a true enthusiest as well! Best! Ben. | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jack, I've emailed you offline.. let's chat. Jim PS: Don't forget to raise the torque control tables or all the work you do will be for naught ;) Yes folks, ME7.x is torque based. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jim, the ME7.x is not much different from the earlier versions. Part of the software is in the processor but all the variables that you would want to be able to change are still in the Flash part (i.e. ignition timing, mixture, air etc.). Kinda makes sense as otherwise Bosch would have to make a completely different processor for each engine. They are tricky to read though (we only finished the software for reading and writing ME7.x last week) and there are not less that 35 checksums built into it (we now have 34 of them figured out, 35th to follow probably today). Comming week we'll have an Alfa Romeo 147 GTA on the dyno and then we'll be able to tell how much there is "to get" out of ME7.x. Jack | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 78 Registered: 8-2002 |
Shoo 'nuf.. my email addy sent under separate cover ;) | ||
| Bob Cowart (Bob_cowart)
New member Username: Bob_cowart Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2003 |
Thanks Jim, jeez you sound like you know what you're talking about! Would you be amenable to an off line question? Bob | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 76 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, At least for BMW's it depends on the car. I'm sure it does with Ferrari as well. Something tells me there is more power available from a 348 than there is from an F360 with software tuning. With a BMW, there is very little power available from software tuning on the new M3, but on the older cars there was quite a bit (~5%) to be gained by tuning. Not just spark, but fuel, and cam angles. Examples of what I mean: Take a 98 M3, add a $3500 cam system and you go from 240 to 300hp. (+60hp for 3500) Take an '01 M3, add a $6000++ cam package and you go from 333 to about 360hp. (chaching ;) BTW Bob C... "mods" done properly don't put stress on a motor.. it's the owner and the conditions he operates the motor under that add the stress. Increasing a rev LIMIT from 8000 to 10000 will do NO harm unless the owner operates it there. (yes, a reductio-ad-absurdum example, but one that drives home the point ;) | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 75 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bob, Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. I'm not sure what type/brand of cars you own.. so I can only relate it to my experiences with BMW's. (I just checked your profile, and it's seems you own a few BMW's.. are you trying to lead somewhere with your questions?) An owner doing a dyno on a modern BMW (or many other modern OBD-II vehicles) is pretty much a waste of time and money. Again, I'm just not going to waste too much of everyones time here, except to say that it's mainly the result of 2 factors: 1) Most dynos aren't set up for proper measurement in conditioned cells/etc. (as a note, the cell usually costs 2-4x the dyno itself!) 2) There are many "modes" in the ECU to prevent the "average joe" from getting the right numbers. An example would be the "new" E46 M3, where if the front wheels aren't turning a default rev limit kicks in. Messing with the DSC button and standing on your head supposedly bypasses this, but in fact really only PARTIALLY bypasses this. To fully correct the problem in this case requires programming. In other cases, it requires the same type of equipment hanging off the car that the OEM does during their development/dynoing. Owners don't have it. Dyno Shops don't want owners to believe it's needed.. nor do they want to make owners realize how INaccurate their dyno is because of the lack of proper environmental controls. Next time you are at a dyno, see if the owner has a portable weather station to sanity check the readings of his "dyno". Further check to see if the "air temp" measured by the dyno is the actual temp of the INTAKE AIR, and not of the shop air or exhaust air. In general it will not be, and hence the SAE corrections will be completely and utterly bogus. In many cases (DynoJet) the "Air" temperature recorded is in fact, the temperature at the little "stack" (of modules) under the dyno computer and not the temperature anywhere near the car. What's worse, is that many "dyno shops" are in fact trying to sell you something and certain ones are famous for sandbagging any "competitive" product using methods like heatsoaking, and a convenient six-pack of cold soda near the dyno stack. (Yes, seriously.. how it works is that the cold air from the sofa makes the "air temp" recorded go lower.. and reduce the "SAE correction".. sad and pathetic, but true) In essence, most of the dyno shops out there are sort of like trying to measure a construction project with a tape measure your little brother made with a crayon and some christmas ribbon. While it might be cute, accuracy isn't it's forte'. Again, anyone who talks to me is pretty much clear on where I stand on this stuff. It's simply a matter of trust in your tuner. If you don't trust your tuner implicitly, don't do business with him/her. I can't speak for everyone in the industry, but I can tell you that I'd rather not take someones money in that case. BTW, since I see you own a few E46 M3's with the S54B32 motor, be advised if you want REAL power out of that motor, it takes cams/headers/tuning/etc and you had better bring CUBIC dollars. We're doing work right now on Josh MacMurrays 91, and just the parts cost alone is some $6k.. all for about 20 real HP. Note that cost doesn't include software/etc. FWIW, I mention the words "REAL HP" because we've been called in a few occasions to sort out "the competitions" S-whatever packages. The way to sort them out is to THROW many of the components out and start over again. Queue the sound of $20-50k hitting the trash bucket!. | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jack, I'm sort of curious as to how you're going to be "doing" an ME7.3.1 ECU when a lot of the info is locked in the processor? Contact me offline if you wish. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 458 Registered: 4-2003 |
If everything goes well, we'll be "doing" Amar's 360 right after the Nurburgring meeting. Will be happy to share the before and after dyno sheets. Jack | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1425 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>It's unfortunate that many (most?) "tuners" aren't worth their weight in cat poop, but that's more a fault of the buying public who buys the shoddy underengineered, over-advertised cr*p than of the tuning/auto aftermarket industry as a whole.<< Well said!!! and why I try to downplay chip (generic) advantages myself when the calls come in. And I agree from studying the specs and seeing Dyno results over the years that normally aspirated engines only pick up miniscual amounts of power by bumping timing a few degress. Real tuning (without a rebuild) would start with readjusting cam timing (which is why vario cam timing is becoming SOP) and/or new cam profiles altogether and work out from there, which in the final stages would progress to rewriting the chip to finish the job . | ||
| Bob Cowart (Bob_cowart)
New member Username: Bob_cowart Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2003 |
Yes Jim, this is a Ferrari forum and like me, we are both enthusiasts. Perhaps someday we will own a Ferrai. Until then, I suppose we will continue to educate ourselves on the virtues and short comings of the marque. Regarding BMW's, your previous post did not go unnoticed: "Some people see me/us as a BMW "chip tuner" but actually we're a bit more expansive than that". Yes Jim, this is Ferrari forum.......However when questioned about your statement you took full advantage of the opportunity to 1) explain yourself (always a good thing with "sound-bite" type statements) and 2) and more importantly, a chance to explain and clarify your philosophy. Necessary when trying to differentiate yourself from the pretenders. Finally, it is an absolute that anyone interested in measuring the gains of a performance upgrade dyno their car before and after the modification. Wouldn't you agree. Cheers | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well Bob, let's see... This really is a Ferrari forum, but I'll touch on it a bit I guess.. but only a bit. In essence, I'm only here as a fellow fan, maybe owner soon, and not to drum up "business" for one of my firms as any tuning of Ferraris I do, will be done for FUN. There simply aren't enough of them around to make a sound business case for anything else, unless I became a "$2000 for a Ferrari chip" bandit.. and that isn't going to happen. People see me as (just) a BMW tuner, because I invented the only handheld flash memory reprogrammer that exists for a BMW car. It's called the Shark Injector and it's novel enough to be currently Patent Pending. Also probably because for years I *gave away* chips to fellow BMW CCA club members and taught an annual CCA tech class on Motronic. Lastly because the most visible of my 3 corporations is in fact, pretty BMW-centric, and I was a CCA chapter president/etc. But there are two other firms that quietly outperform the BMW related company in things like consulting, technology, and diagnostic tools As far as performance claims, I actually go out of my way to disclaim any claims. Any person who(m) has ever talked to me directly can confirm this. I don't make "claims". I will say on the vehicle WE tested we saw X. You might see X, you might see more, you might see less. If that isn't satisfactory, it's time to break your piggybank and pay for a custom tune, from some REAL "tuner" I've also been very very clear in saying that if you want a "custom" tune, you need to request one and PAY for one. A custom tune, on a dyno, over 1 to 3 days, by a QUALIFIED tuner is $$$$$, but you will extract the maximum power from your vehicle. The best a generic "chip" can ever do is shoot for the max power gains on a average vehicle. BTW, I emphasize the "qualified" part, because there are simply too many "hacks", hacking away with memory emulators, guessing at what is the fuel table (aka "map"), where the rev limiter is, and other such things that don't need to be guessed at. The next group of wankers get "secret inside information" from "the factory", of course that information is at least 4th hand, and usually partially, if not totally incorrect. Generally the factory documentation is quite lacking in the subtle interactions you see in the actual ECU source code. A QUALIFIED tuner is one who disassembles the entire code of the ECU back into source, and figures out everything for himself. These guys are hard to find because they are rare. Most people just want to make/sell "a product" and as long as there is a market for shoddy work, it will exist. That's not me, nor anyone I would recommend or be seen with. I do it the hard way.. it takes time and time costs money. Anyone who custom tunes ANY engine for under $5k is cutting corners. Some jobs run $100k+. Hence most people opt for the generic "chip" yet are expecting the results of a custom tune. It's unfortunate that many (most?) "tuners" aren't worth their weight in cat poop, but that's more a fault of the buying public who buys the shoddy underengineered, over-advertised cr*p than of the tuning/auto aftermarket industry as a whole. BTW, did I warn you I freely speak my mind ;) Jim C. | ||
| Bob Cowart (Bob_cowart)
New member Username: Bob_cowart Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jim, Since some people see you as a BMW Chip tuner perhaps you could share with us why that is their perception of you. Do you stand by your performance claims and how. Wouldn't you agree that a dyno test before and after is the best way to verify alleged performance claims. With you being in the business as long as you have, I'm sure you've seen plenty of so called competitors whose upgrades are purely fictional. Finally, do your mods put additional stress on the engine? Thanks | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mike, To answer your question. Yes, I'm quite sure.. the 96+ 355 ECU is M5.2, which uses a proprietary Bosch/SGS memory called the CC460. It's a combo RAM/Port Expander/Flash Memory unit. About 5 "Eprom Programmers" in the world can do this chip properly. The cheapest is a few grand. (Yes, OUCH!) FWIW, this CC460 is used in most M5.2 units, including both Ferrari and BMW applications. I've been programming Bosch and Siemens ECU's for over 11 years now. We (my co.) also does contract development work for firms from club racers to big firms/OEMs, including being involved with a few back-to-back wins at LeMans Some people see me/us as a BMW "chip tuner" but actually we're a bit more expansive than that. By mid summer we'll be releasing a program to allow car owners to attempt their own chips. My parting words of wisdom would be for ANY car owner to be really careful who's chips they put in their beloved Ferrari.. there simply are too many people in the industry who are half-a**ed wankers. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 487 Registered: 6-2002 |
I am ditching the cats all together, and therefore it will not be epa compliant, but it will be very easy to throw the cats back on for emmisions. I have heard that the ECU must be reprogrammed. First i will see how the car runs without any ECU improvements. I did not dyno the car before, but we will probably dyno it after. Has anyone here dynoed their 355's with or without any mods? I have a japaneese magazine called VELOCE that shows a real wheel dyno of a 355 with pretty much the same mods as mine, plus some kind of ECU tuning, showing 332 rear wheel hp. | ||
| Bob Cowart (Bob_cowart)
New member Username: Bob_cowart Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2003 |
Allan, Are you replacing the cats or just ditching them altogether. Will you still be in compliance with EPA regs? Losing unsprung weight will have the most beneficial effect, which you evidently already know about. Be careful of performance claims associated with chipping your car. Dyno your car before and after. Along the lines of performance gains through loss of unsprung weight, light weight forged wheels is another performance enhancement that wiil personalize the look of your car while yielding perf. gains. I've heard that for every 10lbs of unsprung weight loss, it is the equivalent of adding 1hp. Have fun - Bob | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2276 Registered: 9-2001 |
A few more modifications and it will be as fast and handle as well as the new Neon, WRX STi and Evolution ! | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 438 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan, we are working on the 355 but we need to get one up on the test ramp. The 355 does NOT have an exchangeable chip so it requires re-programming the ECU. Jack | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 533 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree with Jens, Jack Habit seems to have a lot of expertise on this subject. Ton | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 571 Registered: 9-2001 |
Allan, Manu from www.scuderiasystems.com should give you some good piece of advice about that. He is a frequent FChat member. Also Jack Habit, sponsor for FChat is trying some chip tuning at Ferrari. Ask him also. They are both extremly friendly chaps who are mostly willing to help. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2002 |
Jon, Are you sure the 355 ECU is capable of being programmed through the DIAG port? It would depend on what sort of chip they are using and how it's setup. But it may not be so much a case of "lazy developers" as a technical limitation of the hardware. | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan, Have someone reputable throw a wideband gas sensor (aka Lambda or Air/Fuel meter) into it and run a few passes on the dyno to make sure it's not lean. When you remove the restrictions and decrease exh. backpressure, most performance cars have a tendency to send more unburned fuel out the tailpipes during overlap TDC, in short: Headers and cat deletions and etcerini type exh. mods usually make a car go a bit lean. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 485 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ill have pics shortly. We'll see how it runs first without any computer upgrades. I also cant wait to see how it sounds. | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Junior Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan, You had new custom headers and exhaust made by a fabricator. I'd love to see them finished. Can you post a picture. thanks, | ||
| Jim Conforti (Lndshrk)
Junior Member Username: Lndshrk Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2002 |
The problem with all these chips (for later than 1995 F Cars) is that they are solder/desolder jobs. No one has taken the time to figure out how to program Ferrari's over the diag port. BTW, a chip isn't worth $3k unless you are having an engineer tune your specific vehicle to specific mods, in which case $3k will seem cheap. ;) | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1471 Registered: 2-2001 |
Superchips (http://www.superchips.co.uk) makes one for the 355 that adds 15hp for about $800. You can also try Koenig (www.koenig-specials.com) Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 483 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes, i will not pay 3500.00 for a Ecu upgrade. Ferrari performance does not have to be ludicrously expensive. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 628 Registered: 8-2001 |
That's nuts to pay 3.5K for an Autothority chip. I have tried every chip known to man in both my race cars and some even lost me hp. I paid $500 for a well known chip made by someone who advertises to Ferrari owners. Not only didn't it make the advertised hp gain, it lost me 16 hp over the stock Challenge chips. Be wary of chip upgrades for normally aspirated cars especially ones that are not custom burned for your particular car on a dyno. Unlike turbo engines, normally aspirated cars can only have the fuel and timing tweaked. My stock chip allows you to go to 9000 rpm but ideally you want to shift a bit sooner as power drops off between 8500 and 8700. Allan, the stock exhaust with the cats and mufflers has to weight at least 70 pounds if not more. I remember lifting the darn thing after we put the normal "loud" exhuast on my Challenge car. You can lift the Challenge exhaust with one had the other one took two hands and a hefty tug. I think the 96 cars on had lighter exhausts but the 95 one weighed at least 70-80 pounds. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 482 Registered: 6-2002 |
Does anyone other than autothority make chips for these cars? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 481 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think he meant he paid 3500 for it. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 410 Registered: 2-2003 |
Mark Moon has an ECU thats Challenge like from Autothority that raises redline to 8,900 for sale (?) at $3,500. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/228259.html Sunny | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 480 Registered: 6-2002 |
For those of you who arent completely satisfied, or werent completely satisfied with the performance of your 355, this thread will be interesting to you. As i posted before, i was not satisfied with the performance of my 355 Spyder. I have set out to remedy this, and so far the results seem to be fantastic! One aspect i didnt realize, is weight loss. I think ill lose probably close to 70pds. It also seems that the 355's have 4 catalytic coverters, 2 big ones, and 2 small ones on a bypass pipe. I will be eliminating all of them. The headers look fantastic, and so does the exhaust. The new airboxes will double the stock air inlet opening. Everything is made of stainless steel that has been polished. What i would like to know, is that with the new header system, i could really take advantage of higher RPM's. Some people here have posted of computer chips raising redline. Which are the best? What do they raise redline to? Also, where can you get Ferrari touch up paint? |