| Author | Message | ||
| Jeffrey Kaiser (Bladerunner)
New member Username: Bladerunner Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2003 |
Rob, As I mentioned on another thread, have you considered bringing the car to Concorso Italiano in Monterey, CA this August? You could display the car or maybe get a booth with the intention of attracting more sponsers and getting more exposure for FC. Just a thought. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 155 Registered: 2-2001 |
Interesting... If you read my original post carefully, I was asking something directly to Rob --- and yeah, it was certainly a 'pointed question'. In retrospect, I probably should have contacted him directly offline as his was the only response I was trying to elicit. My appreciation to Rob for responding in a gentlemanly manner (He didn't feel the need to defend himself in a reactionary tone --- so, I'm not sure why so many others decided they needed to?). I would like to add one thing --- This site is definitely Rob's (his creation) but, the body of information or database that resides within this site belongs to its creators --- i.e., everyone who has ever contributed --- I'm sure Rob would agree. I've been a long time contributor (since the early connection to the "expensive car.com" site). Some of you know my background with F-cars, and have benefited from my experience. I get about a half dozen direct emails per week from F-chat members desiring to pick my brain on some topic related to their car. I do what I can in that regard to respond, and I hope it provides them some assistance. So, by all means feel free to take issue with my comments or the manner in which they are presented --- but, it's absolute BS to imply that I am attempting to be some sort of malcontent or antagonist to the members or to the spirit of this message board. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1593 Registered: 6-2001 |
Martin, Rob: Check your email. Art | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4636 Registered: 5-2001 |
Art, maybe you can send me that in copy? just for info. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4915 Registered: 12-2000 |
That would be great Art, might be useful when I find a title sponsor. Plus I already need to start thinking about 2005+. Thanks! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1590 Registered: 6-2001 |
Rob: If you need it, I've got a sponsorship agreement form that has been used and tested by some of the best racing teams in the US. I'll also got a marketing plan for sponsorship that might be of some interest. Let me know. Art | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 516 Registered: 2-2002 |
Well said Des!!  | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3626 Registered: 9-2001 |
great post DES, I have always thought Rob could be more aggressive in his advertsing about the content on the board but I am sure he know what he is doing. If I was him I would have an ad just like you describe "Where else can you see pics of a P4 being restored, discuss the history of an old TR, get help on doing a major on a Boxer, organize a group drive of 50 Ferraris or here about someone's first ride in their dream car - Ferrarichat.com" | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4020 Registered: 8-2002 |
i can personally vouch for this... Before i came here, i couldn't get close to a Ferrari to save my life; now i have more offers than i know what to do with... i got my first ride in a Ferrari because of FerrariChat (thank you, EFWUN); my first offer to ride in a Ferrari came from FerrariChat, thank you, Marq Ruben, i will never forget it. Now i swim in offers for riDES - even some people offering to let me drive their Ferraris, Ron Shirley, Matt Lemus and so on, to name a few... i had to turn down an offer to go out to Salt Lake City, for an exclusive viewing of the Enzo... i'm kicking myself, sure, but the offer is still there... If i could make it, i'd be there, already... People have sent me paraphernalia in the mail, thank you Mike Wogronic... (Can you say, 'Lussuria'...?  ) i drove my first exotic (NSX) because of FerrariChat and the same owner of that car, gave me riDES in his Lotus, Ferrari F355 Berlinetta & Ferrari Testarossa; Thanks, Billy Zissis. Not only that, but he encourages me to "come by" and "say hello, anytime"... and i have, and he's more than happy to talk to me about cars and whatever else... i've never come across so many people who actually take an active interest in someone else's enthusiasm... People have offered to pay for travel arrangements, so i could see and ride in and drive Ferraris...! (Name(s) withheld 'cause i don't wanna put anyone in an uncomfortable position)... i have scheduled dates to go and meet people, awesome people who continually encourage my ethusiasm... From the 'i'm-a-non-owner-nobody' perspective, do you know how that makes me feel...? FerrariChat is an ever-evolving blueprint of happiness for me... i've learned so much since i started coming here... i even have a deeper, richer appreciation for the older Ferraris, racers & road-legals alike, along with historical drivers and the history behind what is clearly the most renowned marque the world will ever know... Forget about FerrariChat, f_ck it, let's forget about it, completely for a second... Let's say this site was just a blank webpage and the only posts on it were from, let's say L. Wayne Ausbrooks - do you know how many people would pay for the information he probably mumbles in his sleep...? What about the P4 restoration...? People record and bind books of things like that and sell them at the store for boku CHA-CHING...! i'll bet you an Enzo (customized with cup holders) that someone at FNA was smart enough to download all of the archives from the Technical Q&A section; do you know much this freely-discussed information is worth...? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR REGISTRATION WITH THIS SITE...! Rob pays for our enjoyment, day in and day out...! & he's not forcing members to donate, he's never even pushed the issues... He just casually mentioned that if people wanted to sponsor him (in return for advertising), then arrangements could be made... That's how racing works, ANYWAY...! FerrariChat is priceless... You hear me? Priceless. What was your point, again...? | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2002 |
david, since you asked: ********************************************** As for "Maranelloman" and "Johnwto", what gives? "But, your comments [my paraphrasing] were guised as passing judgment --- "[sounds like a kind of selfish attitude]" and "[read something to basically acquire some sort of lesson]". Feel free to voice any opinions on the subject that you wish. But, don't presume to make judgments on my character, intentions, or 'degree of enlightenment' --- you don't know me...and I don't know you --- I've extended you the same courtesy" ********************************************* i have passed a judgement on you based on your sarcastic remarks and an apparent disaproval of rob's sponsorship program. don't come off as being a victim or getting flamed for no reason. your post shows no appreciation for rob's hard work and when you disrespect the owner of this board you disrespect many of us who support rob and ferrarichat. read some of the other posts and archives on this board. do you know how many people have opened their doors or offered others the chance to see, drive or learn about their car? now read your post again................ | ||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 370 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ok, sorry if I'm telling something old, since I haven't had time to read up on all the posts, but I feel I need to comment before I go to sleep David, "we are talking about amateur competition with amateur level of product / advertising exposure". So ? you're point being ? I know heaps of guys being sponsored for "amateur" competitions, aswell as for "pro" competitions. Some people even sponsor "pro" competitions, to help someone out instead of getting more money out of it then they put in. If a sponsor is willing to pay, for either amateur or pro sponsoring, why should you be the judge ? I'm 100% sure that everyone who's sponsoring is aware of what they're sponsoring. Why is it needed to benfit of sponsoring ? By reading your post some thoughts about your caracter come up, but I don't know you so I'll keep them to myself. No offence in any way, but I don't think it's nice to say such a thing about Rob, while you are using his site for FREE. I know you wish you had thought of this before Rob did, so you'd be driving a 355C around the track, but we can't all be smarter then Rob Rob, keep up the good work, and good luck with the 355C. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 285 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree with Ben. I'm sponsoring a Race Car, not Rob specifically. I am sending out my check this week because one of my goals in life is to somehow sponsor a racing team (be that professional or amature). And now, thanks to a vision someone had a few months ago, I have met one of my goals. This is just the beginning for my sponsorship. ;o) Jason- | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4895 Registered: 12-2000 |
exactly Ben, in a way I'm almost taking a hit for the benefit of the FC community to be apart of this. I'm taking the risks, the big 4 digit monthly payments, the $1,500+ a weekend operational costs. For no risk and a small amount of money you can say you are part of the race team just as every other sponsor can. Beyond that I really do try to give at least something back tangible. Everyone is going to love the shirts, I just got the protos yesterday and they're are just perfect. Higher quality than the FC shirts last year and the logo is great. I'll post pics as soon as I can. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 317 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have a small buisness myself, it's not very big (not big enough to get me a 308 even right now.) $250 is not an insignifigant amount of money to me. I am sponsoring Rob and the F-chat 355 not as an advertisement, not because I ever expect anything tangible for my money, but for the chance to be part of something grand, something uniting in the F-chat community, something bigger than each of us, something that all of us can chat about when we're old and grey. Hey, this is a FERRARI RACE CAR, that we can all be part of! No, it's not pro, it's not aobut that. It's about getting out and tearing it up on the track, for the sheer hell of it, who can argue with that?! It's not like we're buying him the car and enough left over to retire. I figure we're MAYBE covering less than half of the recurring expenses of racing <tyres,> car not included! Best! Ben. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 838 Registered: 3-2002 |
Actually David, you are wrong. Most racing teams do not manufacture anything or spend their own money. In fact, Ferrari and Toyota are probably the only teams that do. All the other "production" based teams are named so because of their sponsor arrangements. Just because this isn't a professional racing team doesn't mean it doesn't require significant money to operate. I think you overestimated the support you'd receive for your initial post, but in the future, I would try to be a little more informed about something before jumping all over it if I were you. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1248 Registered: 7-2002 |
Now Rob you are getting to big and complicated like the USA. You MUST accomodate every person equally! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4890 Registered: 12-2000 |
It's tough.  I think as FC has grown past the thousands of users I've made the decision to just steer FC in a general good direction. I don't have the time or resources to get caught up in micro managing the site and also letting little things here and there bother me. To keep my sanity I just have to go with the flow and hopefully the end result is a great community for everyone else. If you see me blow up on threads (everyone knows I have a temper) it's more from Rob as an individual than Rob as representing FC. I'll fight all day long with my pet peeves Ferrari abusing Lambo owners, religion, and go kart tracks threatening legal action  . | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3623 Registered: 9-2001 |
the more I look at this thread and the orginal post the more it pisses me off - Rob how can you stay so calm | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 164 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rob, I am appreciative of Ferrarichat and can appreciate it currently being a labor of love with hopes for profitability. David is missing the profitability piece. Yes, sponsorhip is temporary but your ownership of the Challenge car is permanent. So what? If I lived within a day's drive I would sponsor you to get a ride in that beast...but only after you have cut your teeth and spun it a few times! I say good luck. Kevin | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4887 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, don't take anyone's comments personally, I think your original question had good intentions. Everyone doesn't have to agree with me all the time. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I think the race team is a fun idea. Actually, we'll only know several months from now, but so far bringing in sponsors has almost been more headache than the money's worth. I'm always optimistic and I think that will change as we're just getting started, but right now I wonder why I keep finding ways to loose more money and time with this site. By the way, It's possible this car may race in some pro events. Even if it doesn't, the most important thing will be exposure, doesn't matter if it's an amateur club race, car show, or FCA nationals at Laguna Seca. How many people will view the car? If I say I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it. I don't want to ink the schedule in until I'm sure about it. About the only event for sure right now is Laguna Seca next year for the FCA Annual Meet. The car will be run multiple times a month in the DFW area and I would like to get it on the east coast. I think everyone will be quite pleased with the schedule. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4625 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4624 Registered: 8-2002 |
David, You have proven your intellegence by opening your mouth. When you know what you are talking about, then say something but doing it a public forum is a counterproductive way of doing it. Also, Rob is not expecting $250 per month or $1000 per month for his sponsers, It's for 18 month's. I suspect that the amount he will get in will not cover more then MAYBE 2 months of payments on the car alone so your arguement is already flawed. When it comes down to it, what does it matter to you? He could charge for this site and pay all his bill but he doesn't. Rob's a upstanding guy. You cannot put a price on that. M | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1237 Registered: 7-2002 |
Are you going to get customers stomping down your door for your product because you advertised on Rob's car? Probably not, but that is not the point. It is the cost of participation. Being part of something bigger than yourself. Having fun and saying "look there is my name on that cool car" all the while helping out Rob and the fchat community. Like it was said, this community is free for now, but I have met some really cool guys and gotten some great advice on both financial and personal matters. It is a great sounding board. Most of us are passionate, ambitious individuals and it is nice to hang with like minded folks.....for free. Last June I didn't know a soul who owned a ferrari, had never ridden in one or driven one. Since meeting Rob I now personally know 25+ local folks with ferraris, I have ridden in 4 and driven 1....all for free. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 218 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think TomD said it best....David, your first post was a little offensive.....I'll assume you didn't mean it to be...but your near last sentence of "Quite a deal....is there anything else we can purchase for you?...new furniture, vacation, armani Clothing.." There is obviously some sarcasm/jealosy going on..... Rob's done a great job, and it was such a "simplistic" idea. I mean come on, he started a website , basically a chat room that all of us F-Car lovers could get onto and gain valuable information...it's so simple, and so beneficial. All great ideas are simple in nature, but provide a very needed service......I'm jealous of Rob.....he's not only had a great idea...Hell I have lots of great ideas, but he got off his butt, put in hard work, know how, passion and sweat. Now he's got a ton of friends, a 355 Challenge and I have no doubt someday this forum will generate a pretty penny..... Good Luck Rob, I'm totally jealous!!!! (that's a good thing) | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4601 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, your comments have hit a nerve here you have to realize that. Although in theory you are right the underlying assumption or relative assumption is wrong. Plain wrong! 1. Racing is not manufacturer driven. F1 is the only part of road racing that is sponsored and supported by Ferrari (taking your example). The AMLS teams are all sponsor driven. I had the pleasure with some other Miami F-owners through barton to be invited to the Olive Garden Team for the weekend and we enjoyed their hospitality just as sponsors would (Coke and Olive Garden being the only sponsors in their team). They rely on personal resources from Mr. Rafanelli, the team owner and the sponsor Dollars. It is no secret though that team owners have to flip a BIG part of the bill especially in racing leagues like AMLS. But even in F1 you have similar strategies. Sauber is putting his own money into his team so is Jordan and noce of the non-factory teams shy away of putting a paying driver in the drivers seat for a season. Fact is road racing is expensive. On even the amatuer level and the few races and events Rob will/can do a $250 sponsorship is more like a joke. It is a way for us who use FerrariChat to say thank you Rob. My main reason why I became a sonsor on this site. I use his service and dedication and want to give back. Which reminds me that I though the Le Mans entrant a year ago with the black car and the 4x8 sponsorship they plastered the car with for $5000 was a pretty good idea. Looked good and paid for them to run Le Mans. So in my closing argument David, as said before you can do it or you can not. Are you paying for Rob's car, definetely not! Not even close. The daily running cost of the car will exceed what Rob has raised in Sponsorship $$$. And in reality you get a whole lot in return. Forget the shirt, just the opportunity to be a passenger in a Challenge Car is worth $250! | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member Username: Maverick Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2001 |
Well said Tom D! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3615 Registered: 9-2001 |
"Gee, call me stupid, but it appears we (et al) are buying you a 355... that's pretty nifty... " To me that is a surprising statement from a small business owner. Say you ran a coffee shop and a guy came in once a week and you gave him free coffee everytime, one day you said to him, listen I have always wanted run in a marathon but it costs money to train and enter the race, would you consider sponsoring me, if you do I will give you some free advertising, two free shirts and some other stuff. would you respond with "Gee, call me stupid, but it appears I am paying for your dreams... that's pretty nifty..." Gee, call me stupid, but you have to have some set of balls to respond like that. IMHO | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3614 Registered: 9-2001 |
"I made an observation and asked if it were true." You made an observation of something that is obvious to anyone, so to ask it you were viewed as trying to cause trouble and question Rob's motives. Hence some people took exception to it. As someone who has chosen to sponsor Rob's car, not with a business but with putting my son's name on the car, I did not do it for business purposes but as a way to thank Rob for putting this site together and running it everyday. something I think many take for granted. I would encourage anyone who has benfitted from this site either in terms of friendships, technical help, or just entertainment to help Rob with his race car. its the least we can do. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4886 Registered: 12-2000 |
Even with all the sponsorships filled, the car will only be about 25% paid for. It's by far not a free lunch, but my passion for Ferrari is larger than my wallet. Actually, very little manufacturer participation in most pro racing. David Moore knows as he has run cars in World Challenge. David, how much did Porsche help you out? David, I'm just curious to the root causes for your post. It's very important to me because as most of you have seen FerrariChat.com grow from nothing to what it is now, I don't want users to have ill feelings towards me if someday it is profitable. Please tell me why I shouldn't benefit from FerrariChat.com? What is FerrariChat.com costing you? | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 148 Registered: 2-2001 |
Rob: Thanks for taking the time to offer an explanation. Good luck in reaching your goals. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 147 Registered: 2-2001 |
Try and separate passion from business for a moment... I am not calling into question anything about Rob's character --- in fact, as I mentioned, he impresses me as being quite a decent person (I have not met him personally). Of course, 'FerrariChat' is a wonderful thing for all who participate --- Rob has performed a valuable service for the community there. There is nothing wrong with a little 'creative entrepreneurship', either. But, we are not talking about a professional race team ---- we are talking about amateur competition with amateur level of product / advertising exposure. I am simply unclear as to what Rob is attempting to accomplish --- I would be very open to his own response if sees fit to defer. I welcome his side of his story. And to everyone who purports that "all pro race teams rely solely on sponsorship" --- that's simply not true. Nearly every pro team raises their own funds (by producing and selling road cars, in the case of Ferrari, SPA, for example) and supplements that resource with funds generated through sponsorship. The exact mix varies from team to team, and certainly some teams are more heavily dependent on sponsors than others ---- but, you won't find anyone out there that's not putting up some portion of their own money. "Kennyh" makes a rational comment --- basically choose to sponsor if you believe it to be important to you. As for "Maranelloman" and "Johnwto", what gives? I made an observation and asked if it were true. Others stated their relative opinions and observations on the same topic --- and, I appreciate their comments. But, your comments [my paraphrasing] were guised as passing judgment --- "[sounds like a kind of selfish attitude]" and "[read something to basically acquire some sort of lesson]". Feel free to voice any opinions on the subject that you wish. But, don't presume to make judgments on my character, intentions, or 'degree of enlightenment' --- you don't know me...and I don't know you --- I've extended you the same courtesy. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4885 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, if everyone supported me, we would have 2,500 sponsors. I have maybe 25 and not even all of those have paid me yet. I actually expected a little more support than that, but times are tough and maybe I haven't positioned and marketed it well. First of all, I have tried to create value for each sponsorship. The sponsorship periods lasts 18 months through the end of 2004. For even just the one time $250 fee the returned value to the sponsor is on car advertising, framed digital photograph of car and individual ad, polo shirt, t-shirt, and free rides at the events the car attends. How much is that worth to you? I wouldn't have any money left over if I gave back more than $250 of goods. My total costs for each $250 sponsorship is about $100. I don't care how sponsors look at it, they may really be trying to get commercial exposure and others are just doing this as a novelty and to support me for the time and effort I spend on this site. I do not hide the fact that I would like to do FerrariChat.com full time. I would love to become the next Ferrari historian and evolving the best Ferrari online community in the world. My wish list for this community is pages long. I work over 40 hours a week at a major telecom and any spare time I have is mostly spent just maintaining the site, I would like to have more time to actually enhance it. Do you realize I get 20-40 emails each day that I have to address individually? Do you realize I'm the only moderator on the site? Do you know how much my server and advertising cost? Do you know how much time it takes to gain and maintain sponsors? I have had sponsors stiff me, I have had anything and everything happen that a typical business undergoes. I have never made a profit on this site in 2.5 years. I love this site, it's a hobby that I would like to evolve into my dream job. My only revenue source is from voluntary sponsors and the sponsorship of the race car is voluntary too. There's probably 2,000 users that feel the same way you do, that's why they don't sponsor it. I understand, but don't disrespect me or the sponsors that do see value in it. The $1,000 sponsors are actually organizing corporate events to bring employees out for the day to enjoy rides. I'm not offering something for nothing, it's only up to each potential sponsor whether it's worth it for them. Many think it is, many don't think so, no big deal. FerrariChat.com and the 355 Challenge are part of Curvacom LLC which now happens to be just me. In the future there will be other individuals besides me and maybe the one to one confusion won�t exist. I take the risks, I deserve the rewards, which there are none yet. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
New member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2003 |
Being one who has run a number of pro race teams. Where do you think the money comes to run a team? Sponsorship is crucial, and yes sponsorship usually pays for the car. But, I can tell you for damn sure, it's got responsibilities and by no means covers even half of what it really costs to be competitive. Obtaining sponsorsip is DAMN hard to get. NASCAR gets most of it. Us "Road Racers" usually have to rely on the gentleman racer who may be a gifted driver or has a friend who owns a company willing to invest advertising dollars into sponsoring a race car. It's the Biggest Best bang for the buck, but it's not a free ride. Race teams realize and make damn sure each sponsor gets their money's worth....if they don't they will not be around long. Rob has done a great job with this site. And if that means he decides he needs sponsorship to offset some of the cost and then gets to enjoy what Ferrari is all about "Racing" More power to him....... Great Job Rob, and don't be discouraged with such ill placed remarks. D | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1539 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hey, David, read or listen to Zig Ziglar sometime. There's a message in there just for you, regarding helping enough other people attain their goals as a way for you to attain yours. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1781 Registered: 7-2001 |
Rob has created a business that helps him get the things he wants. People here have businesses and they want to help support it. What's your problem with it? If my side business was doing as well this year as it did 2 years ago, I'd put my name on the car too. | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 81 Registered: 6-2002 |
sounds like kind of a selfish attitude david. some people are very happy supporting the race car and if you have a business you may even get a bit of exposure. and as jack said, that's the way sponsorship works in racing. you think any professional teams are racing on their own money? good luck rob, hope you get lots of sponsors! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 834 Registered: 3-2002 |
That's pretty much how racing works--voluntary sponsorship for exposure. David, you don't have to contribute if you don't wish to. But continue to enjoy this site free of charge. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 874 Registered: 8-2001 |
We're sponsoring F-Chat's 355 challenge car, thats the least we can do for such a great community. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 146 Registered: 2-2001 |
Rob (et al): Please enlighten me - I must be confused. Is this the scenario? 1) Curvacom LLC (i.e., yourself) purchases a 355 Challenge. 2) We (members of FerrariChat, our friends, and associates, plus anyone else willing) purchases rights to reserve advertisement space on said car (or simply 'sponsors', if desired). 3) The revenues from the above mentioned funds are used to offset the cost of said car by Curvacom (you) who has full ownership of the car. Gee, call me stupid, but it appears we (et al) are buying you a 355... that's pretty nifty... Quite a deal...is there anything else we can purchase for you? ---- new furniture, vacation, got your eye on any Armani clothing? No offense, you seem like a nice guy...but, what the !@#$ ? |