| Author | Message | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 617 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jim, you've got mail. Jack | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1355 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jack When John Surtees drove my P4 that is the number that was painted on its side! Please PM me with the $ of that wind up if it is for sale. Best Jim | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 614 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jim G., Maybe these ancient pictures will help you to model the body.... ;-)   Hahahahahahaha! I just couldn't resist it... Jack | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1129 Registered: 5-2002 |
"You don't call Walter, he calls you. He's a very private man and if you find someone who has his number they probably won't pass it along. If you get a number, you leave a message on his machine and if he wants to, he will call you back." Who says Ferrari owners are snobbish and uppity? Sounds like just another confirmation of the old Ferrari owner stereotype to me. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
New member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2003 |
"Dave - The cars you saw were indeed real. They were owned by Walter Medlin. I believe one was a P3" Good job Jim! You reignited some old gray matter. I guess now that I'm over 40, I can be excused for my memory lapse. But the vision of those cars as the tarps came off is something I'll never forget. I meet sooo many people, especially at the race tracks. Yes, they were Walter's and I'd forgot one was a P3 converted to P4 specs (as I was told) by the factory. When I get the photos digitized, I'll post them for all. Story goes that these were hiding from a certain "Big Brother" organization that we all love to hate ;-) | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 232 Registered: 2-2003 |
Forgive my igonorance....who is walter medlin? I did a Yahoo Search and only could see that he owned many ferrari's....is he kind of like a Marconi............. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 229 Registered: 2-2003 |
forgive my ignorance...who is walter medlin....I did a yahoo search and just saw that he collected Ferrari's...there were some sites, about many different medlins, but didn't know who or which one was the gentlemen with the cars.....Is he like a Mr. Marconi...... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1332 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just spoke with Bob Wallace. Engine is running really well. The new FI metering unit seals we made have finally stopped the leaking fuel problem indemic to all of these Lucas Mechanical FI units. The muffler/baffles and SS wool we hid in the original exhaust seems to work well. The last thing we're trying to do before the motor comes back to NY is adapt a shock servo motor to adjust the rich/run settings for the fuel metering unit so I can start the car from the cockpit. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1659 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ha Ha! I've heard all the stories as well. Still, thought it would be worth a try as I've had luck with others even though I was warned ahead of time that they'd never give me the time of day. | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2002 |
ah, more Medlin tales - I understand that he might not remember where he has stashed half of his cars around Florida | ||
| Steve Ahlgrim (Italycars)
New member Username: Italycars Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2002 |
You don't call Walter, he calls you. He's a very private man and if you find someone who has his number they probably won't pass it along. If you get a number, you leave a message on his machine and if he wants to, he will call you back. | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Junior Member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 206 Registered: 7-2002 |
James very nice! | ||
| Steve Ahlgrim (Italycars)
New member Username: Italycars Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2002 |
You don't call Medlin, he calls you. If you find someone who has his number they probably will not pass it along. If you get a number you have to leave a message and if he wants to talk to you he will cal you back. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1658 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, speaking of Walt Medlin, I've been trying to contact him for some time now but have so far been unsuccessful. If you have any contact info for Mr. Medlin (a good phone number, preferably), can you please pass it along to me? [email protected] Thanks. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1327 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dave The cars you saw were indeed real. They were owned by Walter Medlin. I believe one was a P3 that was eventually restored by Symbolic and sold through Christies to Paul Hardman using a David Piper body and the other still exists in its 350 Can Am form. Over time the semi gloss fades to a flater surface esp. in the near the engine where it is exposed to heat. Please post any pics, you have. Best Jim | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
New member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2003 |
Very Cool. Maybe I can help. About 10/12 years ago, I was at a Ferrari Club Christmas party in Florida. I had gone down there to show a 330P4 and a 206SP Dino with Bob Norwood at an open house at George Shelly's. This guy came up to me and said, don't tell anyone, but I've got something to show you two at my garage. Curious, Bob and I accepted the invitation. He drove us to this old warehouse garage that looked like it might fall down. In the far back, and it took some time to move stuff around to get to them, there were two cars with covers on them very low to the ground. The covers came off and unbelievably, there they were, as they were when they rolled off the race track, (2) 330P4's untouched, undercover. The two had slightly modified bodywork (nose & snorkels for intake) for the CanAm race series. At the time I was working at Norwood'and we were building the P4's from scratch with aluminum english wheel formed bodies, etc, etc. I remember the chassis tubing to be a semi-gloss more of a matte finish black on the two original cars around the engine area. I looked at these cars pretty hard. And, I just went into my file cabinet, I have photos I took of those two cars with and without the rear bonnet on the car. You can see a ton of detail. Unfortunately, I don't have a "working" scanner today. But PM me to remind me and I'll have them digitized to post here for all. D | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1326 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rijk I have a copy of that issue of Road and Track. I kept it because there is a cover photo and article about another one of my cars The Lola T-70. Best Jim | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jim, I found an article on the P4 in Brooklands Books, Ferrari 1960-70. It is a reprint from R&T May 1967. Do you have this one already? It shows the profile of the GT40 and the P4 superimposed. Both from the side and from the front. You can see how much smaller the frontal area is on the P4. Cool. Rijk | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4101 Registered: 8-2002 |
Just thought about this last night, while i was in the shower (don't ask) - after you're all done with the restoration, make a book about it and call it: "P4 & After"...!  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1318 Registered: 10-2002 |
PPG has all Ferrari paint codes but unless you strip the car down to this level I don't think painting the chassis would be practical or desirable. If the chassis paint is original IMHO leave it alone. Simply preserve it with a light WD40 wipe. | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 93 Registered: 8-2002 |
James - what kind of paint did you use for the chassis? I don't think we will be painting the frame on the 0556MD(0446MD) preservation, but it would be good to know. thanks, Bryan | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1316 Registered: 10-2002 |
Pete You use glue to separate the steel and alloy and zinc cromated rivets. The glue bonds directly to the metal rather than the paint which is a weaker bond than the glue. When I go out to watch this step I'll confirm. You may not sand off all of the paint simply rough it up. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 364 Registered: 3-2001 |
Arlie You could use a portable Mag unit for a bigger object...Now Neutron radiography is particularly useful on little suckers like this  When you leach a ceramic core from a casting, it's often impossible to identify with a regular xray if you have any core deposition (in this case in the cooling passages) neutron radiography lets you see it. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 447 Registered: 11-2002 |
James, Sanding the paint off ... won't that cause rust to start? ... or a reaction between the alloy and steel frame? I'm confused ... Pete | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1315 Registered: 10-2002 |
As all of these cars were hand built they were all slightly different. Every panel has to be hand tailored. There'd be no way to know in advance exactly what to mask. I think this is why they did it like that. When doing a restoration there ususally is a good reason why they did something. The original way, in addition to being original, is ususally the best way ,learned by the people who built it after making a few mistakes. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4033 Registered: 8-2002 |
Any reason they didn't mask those areas...? If no, why are you following suit...? To make the restoration as authentic as possible...? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1314 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi The chassis is simple steel tubing. Water and oil flow through it so if it cracks and starts leaking I think you'd know pretty soon. Some 917's pressurised the chassis with air and put an air PSI gauge on the dash. If the pressure dropped you'd better pull over before the car broke in two. The paint is period correct. Now we must sand off the paint in the sections where the panels get glued and riveted on. you'd think they'd mask those areas first but they didn't and we're doing it the way they did in 1966. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1123 Registered: 5-2002 |
Magnefluxing is a more technical way to check for cracks, but not really feasible on a large object like a frame. Small portions could be checked in a given area, but nothing is quicker than a visual check. Alot of drag racers used white painted frames to aid in crack checking. Now neutron radiography is a whole different story. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4024 Registered: 8-2002 |
People can make appointments, phone calls, browse the internet, order all sorts of things, make reservations, purchase movie tickets and yadda yadda with a computer that fits in the 'Palm' of your hand; surely there must be a more technological way to detect cracks in a chassis than painting it a certain color... Mr. G....? | ||
| Norm Plaistowe (Normp)
Junior Member Username: Normp Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2001 |
It looks like a piece of art, I know I'd be glad to hang it on my wall. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 446 Registered: 11-2002 |
Interesting point Arlie, but I have seen many other 60's race cars with black chassis's ... thus I guess it comes down to the manufacturer. Many cars are now restored with powder coater frames which would make crack detection even harder ... I am sure that Jim is sticking to the original colour scheme ... Exciting stuff Jim!!!!, but you are going to have to have a pretty darn big bird if youre building a bird cage Pete | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1120 Registered: 5-2002 |
But why black for the chassis? Many race cars had chassis painted in white so that cracks would be much more visible. Seems like a 220 MPH P4 Ferrari would be inspected quite often in the interest of safety, and being able to see cracks more easily would be a priority. Of course, if it was black originally, then black it must be. | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
New member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2003 |
Nevermind... I just read the title of the thread all the way through... it's paint... When I saw the P4 I guess I got so excited I just clicked the thread... lol Sorry :| | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
New member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2003 |
Incredible... ...of all things to restore... one of favorites of all time... a P4... :o James? What is the chassis made out of? Do I see carbon fiber/Kevlar weaving? Or are my eyes playing games with me? | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 789 Registered: 5-2002 |
I love all this restoration stuff.. Are you going to put this all in a web site from begin to end.. That would be really cool. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1309 Registered: 10-2002 |
The body panels will be a thin coat of Rossa Corsa. The heads of the rivets will show through. (Red) Best Jim | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 642 Registered: 9-2001 |
James, Your project gets along! Very nice! What colour will be the body painted in? Just curious. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 525 Registered: 4-2003 |
AWESOME! Jack | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4626 Registered: 8-2002 |
James OUTSTANDING!!! MAtt | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1307 Registered: 10-2002 |
Less paint=Less weight. Hiding the rivet heads would take bondo and thicker paint. Thats one reason the body took so long. It will have NO bondo just a light sanding coat. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1306 Registered: 10-2002 |
#21 is an outlaw dirt track sprint car. It's built and raced by John my friend who restored the chassis and body. Best Jim | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 730 Registered: 12-2001 |
Beautiful! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3987 Registered: 8-2002 |
Why didn't i know that...? Philip, that's his daily driver/grocery getter... | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Junior Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 219 Registered: 2-2003 |
Geez, looks like a wierd insect!! I've never seen a car at this stage......WOW....James, what is the number 21 in back....what kind of car? Is it yours? The tires look HUGE...... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1304 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des Yes this viewed from the front. This is the chassis. That's why it's black. The body panels will be a thin coat of Rossa Corsa. The heads of the rivets will show through. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 686 Registered: 8-2001 |
First time I have seen a frame that actually resembles the car!!!!!!! Keep the pictures coming. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 506 Registered: 2-2002 |
Looks great Can't wait to see the P4 fully dressed | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1004 Registered: 10-2002 |
...the endless saga continues Way to go Jim! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3984 Registered: 8-2002 |
Awesome. Why black...? This is the front, right...? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1303 Registered: 10-2002 |
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