| Author | Message | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
Junior Member Username: Robin Post Number: 86 Registered: 1-2003 |
I think having the instructor "guide" the wheel isn't necessarily a bad thing, maybe in a slow corner or on the first few laps. In my case, I kept turning in too early at 3, leaving me up on the curb on the outside of the turn, since it cuts in a bit at the corner exit (making it tighter than it looks...). Even though I was doing this, I was never in any danger of going into the wall or losing control, I just wasn't taking the best line. While shooting down the short straight into 3, my instructor said "you need to turn in decisively, right up into the curb..." while grabbing my wheel and pushing me into the turn much harder than I would even consider. The tires were already squealing, and bouncing over the curb completely unsettled the car. Being the moron novice I am, I tried to corrent, but was already sliding towards the wall. Maybe if I had stuck 'both feet in', I could have saved it or at least minimized the damage, but from curb to wall was pretty damn quick. I didn't yell or ••••• and moan and threaten to kill anyone.. State Farm paid for the car, then dropped me, so I just took it as an expensive lesson learned. Looking back on it, I think I should start with a slower, more tossable car that I won't worry too much about wrecking, and take things much slower from the start. Don't think I'll get to Jon's level that quick  I still have no clue how he didn't hit the Porsche... -R | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 321 Registered: 6-2002 |
Once the spin goes unsaveable, and you're really in a spin, at least in my expierence, there's very little to be done except get the clutch out and brakes in, FAST. This cuts your speed at which you'll leave the track, and may even keep you ON track (has for me. at least twice.) Yanking the wheel of a locked-up car won't do too much, so I assume you're talking about yanking the wheel to try and 'save' a spin? That's much more likely to induce one. I've never ridden with an instructor who felt it nessicary to yank the wheel, and if I did, rest assured I'd never ride with him again. I didn't even think it was in the realm of things to do. Does give me a good question to ask before we go out on a new track though! (I insist on having instruction at each new track, no matter how 'good' I think I am, walls are hard :P) Best! Ben. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 657 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mike I agree with your statement about the wheel being just one device among the other two (brake and accelerator). I want to distinguish between the over zealous instructor who yanks the wheel much too early thus taking away the students chance to recover and a student who has gone well past the point of a recoverable event. As you know, the tires can only do three things, brake, steer, and accelerate. More often than not a novice student or intermediate student realizes way too late that the spin (were are talking about a spin that is still on track, not off track) is unsaveable and makes matters much worse by over correcting. I am not saying this is always the case but the less advance the student is the more pronounced the over correction is and most times the more serious the consequences. I have had two bad spins a few years ago where I realized later by watching the video tape that I realized too late that the spin was unsaveable and I made matters much worse by over correcting. Had an instructor been in the car at least one of them would have ended up without a trip to the body shop. I also don't think that it should be done in all cases. But a perfect example is understeer when folks early apex and the run a too large radius. They end up running out of track and start to bring the car back on track by yanking the wheel. Big mistake that ends up spinning them into the inside wall. I guess much involves the level of the instructor as you pointed out and the level of the student and the spin (saveable or not). As far as instructors who race and those who don't, neither makes a good or bad instructor. I have had instructors who have never raced turn out to be really good instructors and I have had ones who race turn out to be lousy instructors. No real correlation there in my opnion. I will agree that most races who instruct might be much faster than the majority who don't race but part of being a good instrcutor is being able to listen to the student and also communicate with him and teach the fundamentals. Racing has nothing to do with the first two attributes only the last attribute. Jon | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've had a fair bit of instruction and I have to disagree that it's "ok" for the instructor to yank the wheel. The wheel is one part of the car - along with the brakes and gas. To grab one from the student with no control over the others is dangerous. I've heard of SOOOO many people who got their cars wrecked because an overzealous or uncaring instructor yanked the wheel. Usually too much or too little turn in is NOT the problem, letting off the gas often is. I know there are a LOT of instructors out there who have very dubious backgrounds. Not to slam those guys, but most instructors are wannabe racers. Guys who couldn't cut it in the "big leagues" so they instruct. When I was at Road Atlanta doing the Panoz school, you can tell the good guys from the bad guys. There were guys who genuinely loved racing and were helpful and informative. And there were others who seemed pissed at having to work with the newbies. I remember this one guy busting my balls about my laps. I was running 1:40's in the Panoz cars (if I remember right) which was pretty damn good. There was this young guy in turn 3 bitching at me ALL the time about being "too aggressive" and "not letting my lines flow" but there was an older guy who had been at all the flag stands during the day and when I asked him to give me some feedback, he asked what car # I was, I said "Car 9" and he smiled and just said "keep doing what you're doing - you're real fast". Now, you could say it was selective hearing, but I was trying some of the suggestions and they just weren't working. Some of the suggestions would be correct if I was going slower (one guy criticized me for using "all of the rumble strips" coming out of turn 7 (I think it was 7) but I was at the turning limit and if I tightened up the turn I'd be going slower. Bottom line is don't take everything these guys say as gospel, and always remember it's YOUR car and YOU pay the bill if something happens. If you're not comfortable with them grabbing the wheel, tell them that and if they choose not to drive with you, fine. The owner pays ALL the damages even if a bonehead instructor move causes the accident | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 654 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mfennel70: Didn't mean to imply that either Tim or Don are "bitchy". Both are world class instructors. Just meant to imply that any rules infraction or alleged infraction usually gets you a meeting with either Bruce, Tim or Don. Ben: it is perfectly natural for an instructor to yank the wheel if a student is losing control. Why you may ask? Most beginning students who start to loose control make matters worse by yanking the steering wheel, abruptly lifting off, and even in some cases closing their eyes. I can tell you from experience and from watching novice students that many times the spin that started out would have been a minor event until the student (who 9 times out of 10 is trying to save an unsavebale event) makes the whole matter worse. I can't comment on Robin's situation since I wasn't there but many times (not always) the instructor getting hold of the wheel minimizes further bad things happening. Sean: very good advice from someone who sounds like they ahve been racing for years. Matt: we have discussed this before, the 360 C needs a wing depsite all the marketing fluff from Ferrari. Glad Solly had fun. With your work schedule and my third kid, hopefully Chris, you and I can hook up for at least a few events at Summit and the Glen. Hoping I can make the Labor day event. Jon | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2001 |
"If it was a relatively young guy bitching at you it was probably Tim Richardson (Former FC champ) or possibly Don Barrack." Not Don. Don was my SCCA instructor back in '99. | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
New member Username: Godfather Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nice Videos! | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 319 Registered: 6-2002 |
Robin- if that guy had grabed my steering wheel while I wad driving, I'd be absolutely LIVID! I. Jesus, I don't even know what I'd have done. Hope he compensated you in total for your losses to your car. My advice for you, first, GET THE F355! It'll be the most fun you have with your clothes on!!! Second, go to a Ferrari track event, find someone really driving the pee-pee out of their F355, and ask them if they'd be willing to show you the ropes? 355 is a great car, very good balance and quite fast. It is a hardcore car though, and mid-engine. It will require 100% of your concentration, but will reward you with going EXACTLY where and how you tell it to! Best! Ben. | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 693 Registered: 11-2001 |
OOOOH man that was not fun. So glad you didn't wipe that guy out. It could have been really ugly. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 134 Registered: 2-2003 |
I would guess no matter what, the rules are just like real racing. You're responsible for your own crash damage. As far as the spinning car goes, I've never headed directly towards a spinning car and not hit, or had one hit me yet. When someone spins in front of you, you take into account the following; Direction of corner. Direction spinning car was going before losing grip. Direction spinning car is now going (yes, you can tell with reasonable accuracy). And the most important, Have I spun here before (ie: I know where I ended up and that's probably where he is going so I'm going the other way). Yes, this all happens in a split second. You can tell me I'm full of it all you want, but I can recall several cars spinning in front of me, or while trying to pass me when I used to race and being able to determine where they were going and I went the other way. I even remember some guy trying a bonzia manuever on me, seeing he was going to lose it with a glance in the mirrors, braked a little early, held my turn in, patiently waited for him to go by (he was backwards by now) turn in and never saw him again. No, I'm no Aryton Senna, but I did have good situational awareness on the track. You could just tell when things were going to happen by staying calm. Now, I never raced on an Oval (100% that is) and that's for sure a different ball game. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 276 Registered: 12-2001 |
If there had been damage, would the Porsche been responsible, or is it just SOL? Wasn't sure what the rules are for damage at track events? | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 478 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jon, Solly did really well getting used to his new ride. He and I went out for a session, and it was productive. With the 360 Challenge cars, I'm a big fan of a rear wing. I think he may go with one. I'm not sure I'm going to do my usual 35+ track days this summer. I'm really focused on business, and feel guilty if I'm away. We'll see. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 403 Registered: 7-2001 |
Real Porsches don't use antifreeze!!!!!! | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2003 |
AYE! Finally downloaded it. I have seen a few Ferraris go into the armco at Watkins Glen. Glad you did not experience such a fate. | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
Junior Member Username: Robin Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jon, That was me. I guess it serves me right for attempting a track event at a ricerfest, but I figured a short stint would hold me over and give me a better idea what a full day would be like (FATT perhaps). My only other on-track experience was on the Jefferson Circuit at a VW event back when I had a turbo GTI. The only guy I rode with was Hurley Haywood, so that turned out ok. While sitting in pitlane waiting to go on track, I asked the instructor what kind of experience he had. We started rolling out as he told me that he doesn't race at all, and in fact the only car he has is an IS300 (with an auto trans...) that he occasionally tracks. You can imagine what I was thinking as I rounded the first few turns with him telling me this..... Anyway, I talked to Ralph at FOW a few months ago about getting a 355 this winter. I'd love to try it out on the track, but after my last experience I'm a bit worried. Any advice on what organizations/events to look for or avoid? -R | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 653 Registered: 8-2001 |
Robin was your car the one I heard about at Hyperfest? Even worse. Last year an instructor took out a student in a Viper GTS Coupe. He was going flat out and the student was scarred and repeatedly asked (begged) the instructor to slow down. Three laps in he totaled the car. Bill Scott of BSR had to pay for the car. the student had even requested another instructor during the day but was denied. Some of the full time instructors at BSR are world class but the part timers aren't well qualified. Jon | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
Junior Member Username: Robin Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2003 |
I had a problem with the BSR guys last year as well... Forgot the instructor's name (Mike something? tall skinny guy) I was in my twin turbo Supra and he wanted to show me the "proper way" through turn 3... so he grabbed my steering wheel and yanked it hard to the left, sending my car bouncing over the curb, losing all control and eventually ending up nose first into the cement wall on the right. The guy completely crushed my car, then had to balls to hop out and say "you know what you did wrong there..." -R | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 652 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tony, Normally your doing somewhere around 150+ but I started to see fluid drops on the windshield and lifted a bit before braking. That's the problem with lapping prior to SCCA weekend. Friday it's the BSR people who suck, then you get the best in the business for the weekend. If it was a relatively young guy bitching at you it was probably Tim Richardson (Former FC champ) or possibly Don Barrack. They said they are hiring more flag station workers for the upcoming year but I haven't seen much change. Usually they man 1,3,5, and 10. Sometimes the station between 9 and 10 is manned but not always. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
How fast were you going at the end of the straight? Great movie! I had my old TT supra there last year. That time, a Honda S2000 lost its oil filter going into that turn. | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2001 |
"The corner workers at Summit Point are not weel trained and usually they don't have the oil flag or the meatball flag." Not only that, but they only man 1/2 the stations, IIRC. At a pre-MARRS open lapping day a couple years ago, myself and 2 other SCCA racers came around 10 to find an ambulance just lumbering off into the grass! We stopped near the start/finish line and one of the BSR guys (NOT Bruce, can't remember his name) completely dressed us down for ignoring the red flag out of 8. It wasn't flying. Period. No way. THREE of us (and a 4th who pitted) did not miss the red flag. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 649 Registered: 8-2001 |
Greg, You are indeed correct. His website can be seen at http://www.davidmurry.com Video is at the bottom of this thread. New ones to follow shortly. David often joins us at Trackmasters for personal instruction. Great guy! Jon | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
New member Username: Teflon Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jon, Haven't watched this video yet, but I thoroughly enjoyed your previous clips. I would like to point out, however, that the driver's name is David Murry, no "a". | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 647 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sean, James, I think both of you are right! The difference is being that the item in question can be either stationary (wall, tree, tirebarrier, another car sitting off track etc.) and something which is in motion (car spinning). In the case of a car spinning it might be prudent to head of for it. I know the NASCAR guys do this but have no personal experience. With stationary objects such as walls, I have always been taught to look somewhere else. If you look a the wall you are going to hit it. Look where you want to go and your hands will follow. I can say from two experiences early on on in my track days I looked straight at the tire barriers and hit them dead on each time. In at least three other instances where I had serious spins I was able to avoid barriers by looking somehwere else. Matt, Glad the car is ready to go again. I talked with John Walsh and he said you and Bubba and the other truck guys were a 160+ mph freight train terrorizing everyone else. I told him we need to get you into racing where everyone acts that way. How did Solly do in his 360 C? Any notable events or cars? Regards, Jon | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1325 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sean That's what Mark Donohue taught me to do. So far it's worked for me. Best Jim | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 127 Registered: 2-2003 |
"If you come upon a spinning car head right for it. He won't be there when you get to him." That has got to be the single biggest myth in all of racing. "It is perhaps the slipperiest stuff known. How come the car people don't do this" Most SCCA FF2000 driver I knew ran straight water with a rust inhibitor for that very reason. Not to mention that the slick stuff would hit YOUR tires first. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 477 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jon...crazy footage pal. That's as close as it can get huh? Glad to 'see' that everything is ok. Just got back from the Glen. Spent 4 of the last 6 days there. Again, good to see you're allright. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 642 Registered: 8-2001 |
I will have my website up in a few days with some more in car videos. Special thanks to Rob who was generous enough to host them for me. Regards, Jon | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 290 Registered: 2-2003 |
great vids Jon, thanks for sharing. | ||
| Lee Hamner (Tennlee)
Junior Member Username: Tennlee Post Number: 70 Registered: 2-2002 |
Scary! I love your videos! | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Junior Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 122 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jon, Every time I watch this the Porsche seems to be closer. Glad to see that you and the car avoided any impact. Regarding the smoke, could it have been the rubber that used to be on your tires? As far as Summit's flaggers go, if they were the track flaggers you're lucky if they were sober. Continued good luck throughout the season Jon. | ||
| Patman36 (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 156 Registered: 4-2002 |
Amazing video, glad your alright. Could that have been any closer? Patrick | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4904 Registered: 12-2000 |
AMEN to the SCCA flaggers. CART just signed a deal to staff American races with just SCCA workers, the best in the business and most do it for not a single $1. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 639 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks for the compliments guys! To be honest it was more what I DIDN'T do than what I did. Namely not overeact and think the whole process through. A year or two ago I would have panicked and jerked the steering wheel or lifted off abruptly. As stated my first concern was the wall, second was to get on the track somewhere where grip existed (inside line) and lastly avoid the Porsche. They always say look where you want to go and your hands will follow. I looked everywhere except at the Porsche. I have made the mistake over the years too many times looking at the wall and every time I hit it. As Dave and Rob will recall from an earlier post about the incident I think the fact that ABS was disconnected was a benefit this time around. I think the "pulsing" would have unsettled the car even more. I instantly got off the brakes the moment the car got sideways and waited until the last possible second to lock up on dry asphalt. Only damage was the tires and having to remove 30 pounds of dirt and gravel. The corner workers at Summit Point are not weel trained and usually they don't have the oil flag or the meatball flag. Makes me appreciate the SCCA flagers we have at races whom are the best in the business. I will have my website up and running this weekend with more in car videos! Regards, Jon | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
Junior Member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 103 Registered: 1-2003 |
That full length video is SICK!!!! The sound of the engine, the speed, the shifting, near loss of control, the near collision and the smoke in the cockpit!!!! AWESOME!!! Sucks about the damage to your car, whatever it was, though. | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 165 Registered: 9-2002 |
Holy crap. That was close. Holy crap. Jon, why were the cornerworkers unprepared? When you got into a shouting match with them did they at least admit that they didn't warn the other drivers properly? Glad you're OK. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4610 Registered: 5-2001 |
I can not believe you only said : F*CK once and Damn it. I would have given my full repertoir making this videoclip rated R and V for strong violence and language. Nice going there. | ||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 369 Registered: 9-2002 |
Holy Smoke, that's one close call. Thank god you're OK. I've looked at the slomo for at least 20 times, thinking what would have hapend if the 355 only had 2 hp more. The best thing is you're ok, and so is your 355. Good luck on the next races. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 287 Registered: 12-2002 |
Jesus! Glad to see you're okay Jon! | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1551 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon, you may recall my mentioning a while back about a lovely spin I had at Motorsport Ranch in Texas, when the Spec Miata ahead of me dropped his antifreeze just at the apex of the 2nd of a 2 turn full-throttle sweeping left hander where I am nearly at redline in 3rd in my M3. No warning, and then, in complete silence, I am spinning counterclockwise, thankfully onto the grass. Corner workers were also completely clueless--they didn't even have the yellow out! In fact, I ended up driving on the grass over to the nearest corner worker & told him to wave the yellow & debris flags---all while he & I watched 3 or 4 other vehicles spin out in the exact same place. No harm, no foul for anybody...but it could have been a WHOLE LOT worse.. Nice driving, BTW...  | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
New member Username: Drtax Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jon, this is why I don't race. The risk/reward ratio is out of balance. BTW, the motorcycle races banned antifreeze a long time ago. It is perhaps the slipperiest stuff known. How come the car people don't do this? Dale | ||
| Ken Lee (Kenster888)
New member Username: Kenster888 Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2003 |
Good recovery Jon. I would have sh*t my pants. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 732 Registered: 12-2001 |
Damn that was close! Nice work Jon. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 119 Registered: 5-2002 |
The slo mo clip showed it was damn close, like hollywood movies close! Good driving Jon! Now that wouldn't happen with a real Porsche, an air cooled one..... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1312 Registered: 10-2002 |
The other problem is how fragile the P4 is. I wouldn't want to T Bone someone in this: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/249717.html?1052926680 | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 638 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rob, The Porsche took his normal line. Turn 1 at Summit Point starts out as a decreasing radius turn and almost looks like a u turn. It eventually becomes a fast sweepeing increasing radius turn at turn 2. I don't think he had any idea at this point, Yeah you are correct about staying in the car but when I looked in my mirrors and saw only a standing yellow and no debri flag I freaked out thinking cars would start spinning out in the anti freeze and and up piling on top of my car. I actually ran over to the outside of turn one and frantically waved people to go offline (inside). I told the corner worker to wave the flag even though it was off track hoping folks would slow down. I got yelled at by the organizers for getting out of the car but I yelled at them for not having the correct flags out. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 637 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jim, You are spot on. I think if I had your car I'd be scarred to drive it for fear of someone else doing something beyond my control. This particular group does no track inspection at the track (though that would not have been caught) and most of the racers do their own tech inspection. The incident with my BMW a week before occured when the Porsche showed up late, missed tech inspection and in hurry to get out on the track. In fact he told me that the car had just been delievered from Europe two days prior. I scolded him later on telling him that tech inspection is not something you do at the track and that "shaking" down a car should be done privately and not on the track with a bunch of inexperienced drivers. Most racers just sign the tech sheet themselves with someone else's name. It could be Mickey Mouse since most track organizations don't even bother looking at it. Last year at the Glen FCA event a Mustang dumped all it's oil in turn 11 and two Challenge cars and a 333SP went off. Thankfully no one hit anything but that could have been an expensive incident. Jon | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4891 Registered: 12-2000 |
The hard right dart of the Porsche car makes me wonder. I don't think he would of done that on purpose. My guess is under lock up the wheel was turned to the right, but with full threshold braking you have no steering input. Maybe once they got traction or he lifted the brakes the car probably darted. Do you know Jon? Also Jon, I think you know this now, but stay in that car with full seat belts on unless it's on fire or the corner workers tell you to get out. Inside that car is the safest place you can be, heck with the car, look out for yourself. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 636 Registered: 8-2001 |
Pat, My guess is that he was unaware that he had lost his anti freeze at this juncture, though I am not sure why he didn't notice the smell of it. I seem to recall that this particular GT3 had full lexan glass windows with no sliding window, maybe that explains why he didn't smell it. It all happened in a matter of seconds! Entering the braking zone we are doing around 150 mph. My first reaction was to get a bit off line, then avoid the inside wall, and lastly avoid the Porsche. I was sure I was going to t-bone him. I have watched the video 100 times and still amazed I missed him. Jon | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1311 Registered: 10-2002 |
Pat When your car is spinning like that you're just a passenger. If you come upon a spinning car head right for it. He won't be there when you get to him. Jon It's scary the lack of tech inspection that allowed that to occur. Good job! Best Jim | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 511 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jon, I have never raced b4 but why wouldn't the Porsche driver go off the track and let you take the corner instead of him trying to stay on the track and making you take you 355 off road? | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 633 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ron, Mainly dust from the dirt and gravel. They had to pull me out. Flat spotted all four tires down to the cords and they were a brand new set with only two heat cycles. What you can't see in the video is that behind me was a NASCAR truck literally inches off my bumper. He went off to but was able to drive back on the track. I was really worried about the car sitting dead straight at the end of the braking zone and a dozen or so cars coming down the straight. Corner worker had only a yellow flag, no oil flag. A week earlier another Porsche Cup car emptied out all his oil in turn three and I nearly totalled my BMW club racer. Stay away from those damn Porsche Cup cars or at least the ones not actually being raced. Jon | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 790 Registered: 5-2002 |
Glad to see you here telling us about it.. Why did your cabin begin to fill w/smoke. Was it your tranny ??? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1489 Registered: 2-2001 |
Scary Stuff! You handled it very well, though! Ernesto | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
New member Username: Crawford Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2003 |
Oh man! That was hairy!! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 632 Registered: 8-2001 |
Recent Trackmasters event at Summit Point. The PCA club racers hired ex-Porsche factory driver David Murray to set up their cars. I was on his tail coming out of turn 10 onto the main straight when he started dumping anti-freeze in the braking zone. Narrowly missed t-boning him. He ended up going off at the next turn and damaging his front bumper. Please excuse the language! http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/videos/jon355c/Lockup.mpg http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/videos/jon355c/Slowmo.mpg (slow motion) Almost a $250,000 collision. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 |