| Author | Message | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2003 |
They are up there now. I have alot more, but I want to wait until I get my "Gallery Viewer" setup. The click/view/back thing gets old I know. http://www.myporsche.us/ferrari/ Please understand that as a rookie, that which is "old" to you is "new" and fascinating to me. A nice place to be.  | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ron, There will be some Ferrari pics up there soon! Actually there are some Ferrari pics there but I need to better organize them. | ||
| pete (Pete_peter)
New member Username: Pete_peter Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2002 |
sell, and don't look back | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 794 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.. I took a look at your web site.. Many great pics of you, your friends and tons and tons of Porsche pics...I see you have strong love and passion for the car.. My question to you is why do you feel you want to get into a car like a Ferrari.. You will own a car that you don't see much of out there, which is great but these are 2 totally different cars.. Do alot of research on repair cost and other expenses.. I'm not tring to discourage you in the least.. It's just that I see through your site the love you have for Porsches and are you really ready for the change. *** rent the movie "Against All Odds"..theres a great Porsche and Ferrari race in the middle somewhere..**** | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2003 |
I was able to get "Ferrari The Original V-8" book at Amazon, but the Ferrari book by Lehbrink is out of print. | ||
| stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
Member Username: Ethans_dad Post Number: 260 Registered: 3-2002 |
Try Keith Bluemels 'Original Ferrari V-8' It is a good general reference book with production numbers, VIN's, option codes,etc. You might also try the buyers guide issues of Forza. Best of luck! | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 232 Registered: 8-2002 |
Terry, Your 911 sounds like a rocket, 290hp @ 1900lbs with no turbo lag will be a blast | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003 |
Best book to buy to research the late 70's early 80's Ferraris? | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have found the answers I was looking for. I was hoping to not find warnings about reliability of older Ferraris, and I have not. I guess I'll start shopping! | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 506 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jeff, My '69 S did come with 170hp from a 2.0 liter. I have that engine.... but its on a stand for display. The engine in the car is a 2.7RS. Its good for about 220hp. The car is in the process of getting a few other minor mods done. Fiberglass bumpers and hood. Tweaked suspension. Lightweight interior pieces. You know.... minor stuff ;) Unless its a totally stripped out, 100% dedicated racecar with a full race engine... no 328 out there is going to hang with this early 911 on the track. Thats not at all a dis on the 328... its purely an observation on power to weight ratio. The 911 is a 2000lb car with 220hp vs a 300hp 3000lb car. Anyhow, I'll be first in line to say this is a totally unfair comparison! The 911 has no A/C, no power options of any kind, rides like a go-cart and is "the wife wont ride in it" loud. Besides, Im gathering parts and planning on building a 2.8RSR spec engine for the little beast next winter. With the diet its on.... 1850lb with 290hp sounds like a nice target. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2002 |
Terry, your 69 S came stock with 170 hp, do some engine mods on a 328 and it will be well over 300 hp easy, then lets race The 993 had 270 hp when it came out in '95, weighed @ 3060 lbs, it did 0-60 in 5.4 secs vs 5.5 for the 328, anyway splitting hairs but 8000 rpm vs 6700 for the 911 sounds many times better I do agree the 996 is unworthy for the 911 name with a disposable engine that sounds like a Honda with a free flowing exhaust on it, which must have been why Porsche makes them so quiet now I don't know about the early 308s but the 328s finish and fit are equal quality to a 911 even better in some instances as Ferrari has all leather interior and better detailing under the hoods and in the bays they both use the same paints, have leather wear problems on the seat bolsters, similar FI systems, use nikasil liners for long engine life with an aluminum casing, you can also rebuild a 3xx engine for about the same as a 911 I have driven every 911 made and 911s all have a unstable feel at high speed compared to Ferrari, its the fundamentals of the rear engine weight bias, I also never liked that vague feeling 915 transmission a definate weak point on the car, even the G-50 feels vague compared to the positive click of a gated Ferrari shifter I am not really trying to dis Porsche, the older models made when Ferry was alive are great cars but they will always be #2 | ||
| Lee Hamner (Tennlee)
Junior Member Username: Tennlee Post Number: 71 Registered: 2-2002 |
I'd sell one of the P-cars for a f-car. The Porsches are a bit "easier" to leave unattended. Sometimes, I just can't take my Ferrari when I'd like to. | ||
| Sebastian (Sjblaw)
New member Username: Sjblaw Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ordinarily I sit back and watch the posts go back and forth for amusement. Sometimes I want to post. This time I HAVE to post. Firstly, if you HAVE to ask Porsche or Ferrari, buy a Porsche. Secondly, as a Porsche ('03 C4Cab) AND Ferrari ('01 360) owner, I can tell you they serve different purposes, for which each is definitely suited. Third, some guy thinks a Boxster is a good idea!? "S" or not, that thing is a Porsche with panties. End of topic. Fourth, another aficiando thinks a 328 can "leave in the dust" any Porsche. Ah, fella, either these Porsches were parked, or you AND your car are on the nitrous bottle. Lastly, and probably most obviously,if you have money problems, buy a toyota and pay off some credit cards. A Ferrari is a luxury... a toy. How can you justify a toy if you dont have food? Miami is full of repo trucks towing around some pretty sweet rides of morons with big appetites and small wallets. ****er-rich, they say? | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 504 Registered: 4-2002 |
The Porsche 911 series is the most successful production based racecar in history. The 993 is dry sump, twin plug, variable valve timing and variable pulse injection..... light years more sophisticated than the 328 engine. It also generates 282hp from 3.6 liters. The 328 has 270hp from published figures from Ferrari.... but everyone knows how accurate Ferrari hp figures are. Racing on the street a 996.... indeed proves nothing. Besides a 996 isnt a real Porsche anyhow. A Carrera with a waterpump...NONSENSE I tell ya! | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
Junior Member Username: Branko Post Number: 64 Registered: 3-2003 |
There is no comparison. Look how many Porsche's are on the road verses Ferrari's. Get the Ferrari and you will never regret it. I can hardly wait for the next sunny day to take mine out again. | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 329 Registered: 4-2001 |
I raced with a 996 with my 328 and we were equal on the fast roads. The guy got a racing licence even if that doesn't prove anything. Honestly, I was quite surprised myself but I have on the other hand done my homework on the suspension... Terry, you are completely wrong about the 328 compared with the 911. 911 got McPhearson, an engine at the wrong end, definitally NOT better build quality than a Ferrari, cheap parts but they assemble the interior very good and thats what counts for many shallow "enthustiasts". My mechanich who works on both call it Volkswagen type 3, which it basically is. The 328 got a race engine compared with Porsches. You just can't compare them. 1986 Ferrari delivered 270 bhp from 3,2 litres. 2002 porsche delivered 250 bhp from 3,2 litres. Ciao Peter | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2003 |
WOW! Thanks for all the feedback guys. The comment about late 80's 911 being the best hurts! Makes it harder for me to part with it. I like the carbed 308s and I like the cleaner front of the early cars. It will mostly be a garage queen. I've done enough DE's to know that I should build a track car for that. I am a convertible guy, so it will have to be a GTS. I emailed someone not to far from me that had one listed on EBAY (I sold a car on EBAY to buy my Boxster), but he has not responded. Guess I better check insurance rates too. I would really rather have a good old 246 GTS but they are priced way out of my reach. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 155 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dennis, it's personal preference in colour choice. I had a yellow one which shone like a flashlight. Red will be easier to re-sell, if you plan in upgrading later I've seen dark grey ones here loacally and it looks great especially with a red interior. It makes the car look understated. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 503 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jeff, A stock 328 vs a stock 993.... given equal drivers, I think you would be very foolish to lay money on the Ferrari. The 993 has better brakes, power to weight ratio and more sophisticated suspension. It will lap Road Atlanta several seconds faster. Also, a 328 compared to "any" 911? I'll take that bet! How about my 1969 Porsche 911S? To the original question: I own a 308 GTB now. I love it, its a great car. It makes great noises, is a rolling work of art in the looks dept. and is fast enough / handles well enough to be fun. Its not in the same league with a 911 when it comes to build quality and engineering excellence. The 308 is basically a cheap Fiat with a really cool engine. The late 80's 911 was probably the best engineered sportscar ever built. I have owned both... this is my experience as someone who works on his own cars. My advice: buy a really nice carb 308 or 308QV. Very nice cars run in the mid 30's. Plan on spending more money for maintenance. Plan on getting lots of attention everywhere you go. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 425 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dennis..Thanks for clearing my question. Yes, it is not prudent to show up to a customer with a car that expensive and tell them 'I REALLY need this order'! I do drive my 308 on calls a few times a year, but I park 'around back'! | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 230 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have had 2 911s they are great cars, however I purchased a 328 a while back and there is no comparison as far as the thrill in driving a Ferrari, it revs higher and sounds better, shifts better, and are works of art to look at, the one thing I can say about a 911 it is more tossable with that rear engine but the tradeoff is they feel less stable at speed As far as performance the 328 will leave any 911, 993, and Boxter including the S in the dust with the exclusion of the later 930s,you can throttle steer with ease and the steering rack which is from the GTO gives incredible feedback, parts are about the same if you shop at the owners website or get them thru discounters Once you have a Ferrari you will never look back | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2003 |
I personally do not think you will ever look back and regret your decision of Ferrari ownership. There are good contacts on this site to help you choose the right model. To me the Ferrari's are a timeless form of art that one will not easily tire of. Good Luck | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
The "issue" is some clients seem to resent me showing up at their site in a Boxster. It does not happen at all of my clients, just a few. My client base is mostly people I have done business with for years, it is the new ones that I don't want to put off. I would get a plain vanilla Honda/Toyota as a daily driver and only drive the 3x8 as a weekend toy. Now should I get Red or Dark Grey? | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 611 Registered: 4-2002 |
If used for a daily driver, I would not do it. The turning radius alone of the Ferrari would kill it for me. Depending on where you live, lack of a potent AC could be a factor. If it is just a toy for you (and from looking at your other vehicles I think it is), the Ferrari will provide you with a bigger smile. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1070 Registered: 11-2001 |
doody here, stickanddice! not sure i can help dennis out much though. although the 3X8 might be pricier to maintain, it'll probably wash with the savings over one car -vs- two cars (insurance, property tax, etc.). tough decision. good luck. doody. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 416 Registered: 11-2002 |
Where's Doody? I think he sold his Turbo for a Maranello. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 422 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dennis...Explain the 'Issue' with your clients (I think I know where you are going with this one). In field sales myself, I can afford just about any car that the array of sales people drive. My last car was a Mazda Melinia (Awesome product). It was too small and I wanted a larger car. A $65K BMW would have been nice, but I drive 40K+ miles a year. I purchased a new Chrysler Concorde at a third the price. I am SO much farther ahead by not taking a high depreciaition hit. MX has been zero and my customers could care less what I drive. They look at the end result of my efforts and how that effects their bottom line Vs the car I drive. Also, at $.36 per mile that I write off, keeping the car for four years, my car cost is zero! Not tooting, but I am well into 6 figs without a fancy car. | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
Peter, thanks for your reply. My wife and I have been spending more than we make for 16 years. every now and then this "blind squirrel finds an acorn" and we get by. I bought my 911 cab years ago. It only goes out when the weather is nice. 59K miles when I bought it, 63K miles now. I am the third documented owner. Since maintenance costs are low on a car you hardly drive, I am thinking Ferrari as a toy in place of the 911 mostly because I never had one, and Honda or Toyota as a replacement for the daily driver that causes "issues" with my clients. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 420 Registered: 1-2003 |
If you spend more than you make, that bad! Sell the 911 you have a clear title on and buy a lesser priced 308. If you shop smart, you should have $4-5K left over to pay down (or off) a high-interest credit card. | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2003 |
Pros and cons? 911 is paid off. I know someone who sold an 87 911 cab on ebay with 70K miles for $30K, mine is cherry with 60K miles. Boxster is my daily drver, but my clients tend to balk at me driving a PORSCHE so maybe a 3x8 in the garage and a Honda as a daily driver is a good move. I am early in my consideration of this. I saw a seal grey 348 on Ebay near me that really tempted me. I can't say $ is not a problem as the wife and I spend more than I make, but I am sure I can handle a $20-$30K purchase sans the current debt load. Thanks for your reply, respects, Dennis in SE PA | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 458 Registered: 1-2003 |
You shouldn't have to sell them both to get a 308. Maybe you could rent a 308/328 for a day or two and see how much more/less you like them then your current cars. If you've really always wanted one, then you can't go wrong buying one. I've had mine since December and still get the "I can't believe I own it" feeling every time I look at it. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 288 Registered: 12-2002 |
Definitely worth to trade Ask KUZI, he just had a recent purchase for two F-cars a 1997 993 turbo S for a 2003 575M F1 and a 2002 360 coupe for a 2002 360 spyder Right KUZI?? I traded in my 2000 996 coupe with a 2000 360 coupe, and a 1999 996 cab with a 2000 550 Maranello. Working on the deal to trade my 00 360 coupe to 01 360 spyder. Believe me, you won't miss the plastic feeling of Porsche's shifting gear box and light stroke clutch | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 880 Registered: 8-2001 |
Depends what you want in the car, I drove the Boxster S the other day, great car, I'd probably get it over a 328 but the chances are I want something different then you in it. Porsche is probably better performance if that means anything, and the odds are the parts are cheaper. I'd sell both cars and get a used Boxster S. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4041 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dennis, welcome to FerrariChat...! No flames should be in order here, yours is a perfectly valid question... You could probably sell the 911 and have almost enough money to get a 3X8 (although i'm not too familiar with the current market for a late 80's 911)... i would definitely do it if i were you... What are the pros and cons, for your personally, as far as making this decision...? | ||
| Dennis Arner (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have an 01 Boxster and a cherry 87 911 cab. I guess it is just time for a change. Both have been fine autos, but I have always lusted for a 308/328 GTS. Would I be making a mistake to sell my current toys and get what I have mentioned? OK - I am an absolute newbie here so flame as you will. |