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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 661
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:13 pm: | |
Ferrino?
Dinarri? |
Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 138
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 2:31 pm: | |
If a V-12 is a real Ferrari, and a V-8 is a dino, then what is a V-10? A Derino? |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1498
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:52 am: | |
>>Would it surprise me if the Modena replacement uses a V10 engine? Yes, greatly.<<
Well, Ferrari needs 550HP just to think about keeping up with the Baby Lambo.
Can they get that and more from a NA V8 for the street?
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John Delvac (Johndelvac)
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Username: Johndelvac
Post Number: 379
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:15 am: | |
Something real hush hush would be if Audi contracted Ferrari to make the V-10 for the Lambo Gallardo. Humm. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 659
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:19 am: | |
Would it surprise me to find that Ferrari has designed, built, and tested a V10 engine for the street? Not in the least.
Would it surprise me if the Modena replacement uses a V10 engine? Yes, greatly. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 581
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 5:15 am: | |
What I mean with stock tires is that it was developed for the recommended way it is to be driven, not necessarily for launching. For example on any stock F-car, it won't come with slicks and if the Enzo did come with them, they wouldn't last long on the road. The test #'s in all Magazines differ as much as a full second so it it won't justify it's accuracy for example in Oct issue of Automobile the Enzo was 3.6 sec. 0-60. Think of what type of cars that can get into the low 3 sec., you will need some serious traction that all the power and force of a car won't do. Although almost as little as half sec. difference it is still hard to do, give it a shot and you'll see what I'm talking about. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1340
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 7:33 am: | |
Modman
That figure is in this weeks Autoweek from their test. |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member
Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 250
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 5:19 am: | |
i was at the factory on thursday and there are several v10 engines in the engine room. we were not discouraged at looking or even ushered away. the engines were clearly formula 1 engines as well as a display of older formula 1 engines. i think the story has been exagerated, it was truely not that secretive. |
David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member
Username: Darkhorse512
Post Number: 215
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 4:38 am: | |
Wait a minute!
I have possed this quesiton before!
Soo much of Ferrari's modern F1 success has been achieved with a V10 motor. They have also been at the forefront of bringing race tech to road cars. Wouldn't it only be a matter of time Before a V10 turns up in a Ferrari road car?
Think about it. The list of racing elemets that made it onto production cars is endless...
...rear view mirror.
Bucket seats.
Disc brakes.
Overhead cams.
Tuned exhaust.
Independent suspension.
Fuel ingection.
Multi valve heads.
Ground effects.
Traction control.
Pnuematic induction.
Semi automatic gear box.
The list goes on and on of things we take for granted in production cars today. I'm sure there is alot I have missed. I say bring on the V10 era of Ferrari road cars! |
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff
Post Number: 590
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 3:49 am: | |
>>>3.15 sec 0-60 on the stock Bridgstones
Mmmm... stock Bridgestones....
They were developed especially for the Enzo but I have no idea how the are with compound etc.
Jack |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 578
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 2:35 am: | |
3.15 sec 0-60 on the stock Bridgstones, I'd have to see it to believe it because I don't believe it. Don't get me wrong, the car is fast but not that fast. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1301
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 11:53 pm: | |
Or bleach!! |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1458
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 8:51 pm: | |
>>When the guys at Autoweek turned 3.15 0-60 and 6.67 0-100 in the Enzo they seemed able to get the power to the ground... <<
Hmmm...maybe they soaked the rear tires overnight with Formula Vee Traction Treatment...
;-) ;-)
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James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1338
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 8:15 pm: | |
When the guys at Autoweek turned 3.15 0-60 and 6.67 0-100 in the Enzo they seemed able to get the power to the ground...
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JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1456
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 5:29 pm: | |
Andrew,
my friend brought back a euro car mag with the new test results and was just passing on the scoop in the course of our conversation...he was saying the article sited the better traction of AWD being better able to get the power to the pavement.
I'll get the name of the mag and post it. |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 904
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 5:24 pm: | |
JRV , which tests are you referring to ?
The Enzo does 0-62 in 3.5 s and the Murcie in 4.0 as per EVO magazine ... and after 60 mph the gaps just gets bigger . ( the Enzo being lighter and more powerful ) |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1455
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 5:13 pm: | |
>>There was a small group touring the factory and one of the factory employees was rather vocal and irritated when the group was in the area of the V10 engines.<<<
I'm fairly sure it was the same group you're reffering too that I was talking with today. The story sounds identical.
>> I believe the tour was ended right then and there. <<
exactly how Mark described the happenings.
They were in the street car factory not the F1 area when these evidently "top secret" V-10 blocks were 'spyed'.
Surely Ferrari must have plans to compete with the Gallardo. I can't envision them being content to getting their asses kicked by a "baby" Lambo.
Also heard that test results are in, and the 4WD Murcielago out accelerates the 2wd Enzo. Are wider tires (stickier rubber?) in the works or All Wheel Drive?
;-) |
Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
Junior Member
Username: Michael_fvm
Post Number: 58
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:51 pm: | |
I was in Maranello last week and heard the same story. There was a small group touring the factory and one of the factory employees was rather vocal and irritated when the group was in the area of the V10 engines. I believe the tour was ended right then and there. However, after talking to a few people Modena, they too thought they were F1 engines. |
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member
Username: Ferrariguy
Post Number: 177
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:48 pm: | |
Great minds think alike Mark!
It makes sense to me that after all engines (f1 and regular prod) are cast out of their foundry that the f1 engines go directly to Gestione Sportiva for refinement and final fittings. |
Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Junior Member
Username: Markcollins
Post Number: 208
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:45 pm: | |
Lawrence i just typed the same info but got a file locking error as you must have been posting at the same time! |
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member
Username: Ferrariguy
Post Number: 176
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:41 pm: | |
That's true Andrew but only one foundry which they share, I believe |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member
Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 902
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:39 pm: | |
They could be F1 engines but the Gestione sportiva and the factory are 2 diff buidlings.. |
Matty (Liquid)
New member
Username: Liquid
Post Number: 31
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:36 pm: | |
Doesn't the F2003 GA use a V-10? A V-10 for the F360's replacement would def. be sweet. Hopefully it will be RWD & not AWD like the Lambo. |
john (Johnwto)
Junior Member
Username: Johnwto
Post Number: 86
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:25 pm: | |
maybe they were f1 engines? |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1454
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 4:18 pm: | |
...that they were touring the Ferrari Factory and saw a row of V-10 Blocks...and when spotted were ushered quickly away...
Hmmmm...could this mean that Ferrari is going to replace the 360 with something V-10ish to compete with the 360 trashin "Baby" Lambo???? |