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Terry Springer (Tspringer)
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Username: Tspringer
Post Number: 511
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 10:20 am: | |
Heck, I would just like to find a reasonably priced copy of the original edition! Particularly considering the Daytona I am purchasing is apparently featured in the book. I agree a new edition is warranted! Come on Gerald.... your fans demand it!
Anyone know where a good copy can be obtained? BTW: Gerald, thanks for the tip on the car! It is indeed a fantastic ride!
Terry |
Mark Lindman (Markl)
New member
Username: Markl
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 6:44 am: | |
Gerald, How about a new updated edition of "The Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona"? I'll bet it would sell out to F-Chaters fast than an Enzo will get to 60mph. |
Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
New member
Username: Ferrmktltr
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 5:10 am: | |
Yes, the "A Type" Daytona is often hyped as being a higher performance version, which is only slightly true for the simple reason that all "A Type" Daytonas are European versions and therefore missing the USA smog equipment. This actually detracts very little if any from engine performance, but does add a few pounds of weight.
To those who claim the "A Type" has higher compression pistons, hotter cams, etc., etc. I say "show me these parts in the factory Spare Parts Catalog for the Daytona so I can order them for my 'A Type'!"
I currently have 84 Daytonas identified as being 365 GTB/4-A and am constantly adding to the list. Until Jim started this thread I didn't have 16355 identified as such, and now Wayne has added 15019. |
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff
Post Number: 589
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 3:45 am: | |
I did a quick search for S/N 16355 in what I have but no history is mentioned except that it was entered as being a "Daytona" in May 1983.
Could be that it wasn't imported into the US until that date.
Jack |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
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Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 547
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 11:14 pm: | |
Gerald - thank you for your erudite comments. I had heard that the �A� model did have performance upgrades, although your quote of the Ferrari literature supports this model as an 'A' variety (it has pop-up headlights). This, of course, despite your research of 22 years ago suggesting that S/N 16355 was not designated as 'A'.
Pertaining to the discrepancies found in the Market Letter, please refer to page 11, May 3 2003 (the most recent Letter). Under 365 GTB/4 I find "...S/N 16487 (1972 USA production)...", and immediately below it "... S/N 16613 (1973 production)..." These are consistent. My concern is over presentation (by sales personnel) of this car (S/N 16355) as a 1973 production, which would not be consistent with those listed in the Letter. I trust your sources.
Please note, with all respect intended, that I did not imply that the discrepancies were on the part of the editor, merely that those who advertise in the Letter are often mistaken concerning the production dates of their cars, so it would seem. (Albeit, the particular car in question does not list the date of production). As I read my original post again, the implication is a fault on part of the Letter. Please accept my apology - not intended.
Thank you for your help. As an aside, your help in researching a certain silver 1984 Boxer this past summer was very much appreciated. You had taken possession of this car in Maranello, 1984.
Jim S. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1661
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 11:01 pm: | |
Gerald, do you know how many Daytonas were branded with the "A" designation? I thought it was only a hand full (less than 20?) but certainly there were more of the later "pop-up" Euros than that, no?
Bill, I've seen it hyped as a hot rod version as well. In fact, Heritage Classics here in L.A. recently had one for sale that they described as having the "very rare factory high performance 'A' code competition engine."
A quick web search turned up this comment by one Ferrari history buff and regular contributor to the Barchetta site:
"...s/n 15019 is one of the mysterious "A"-type examples, designated on the production plate in the engine compartment as "365 GTB/4 A" - interestingly, none of the world's famous Ferrari historians has ever been able to come up with a proven or reasonable explanation for this Ferrari-phenomenon."
Uhm, I think I would definitely call Gerald Roush one of "the world's famous Ferrari historians."
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wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1081
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 10:17 pm: | |
Hasn't the "A" model been hyped as a more powerfully engined Euro model? I bought a copy of Gerald's book recently, and although it may be out of date, its still a good read (and has some terrific pictures). |
Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
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Username: Ferrmktltr
Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 9:14 pm: | |
1. I have a letter from Ferrari Assistenza Tecnica dated March 10th, 1982 that states: "Regarding the 'A' marked near the model designation, it is signifying to the fitting of the retractable head lamp . . . . " All so-called Type A Daytonas are late European version with pop-up headlights.
2. S/N 16355 was manufactured in late 1972. Please describe the specific discrepancies between VINs and production years you see in my Ferrari Market Letter. I personally check each ad against my database before it is published.
3. The book is titled "The Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona" and was co-written by the late Pat Braden and myself. No, 16355 was not listed as a Type A in the book. The book was written 22 years ago and is quite out of date. It represented the state of our knowledge 22 years ago. We've learned a great deal about all Ferraris and Daytonas in particular in the last two-plus decades.
4. There are advantages and disadvantages to both versions. It's impossible to say one is inherently better than the other. There are many other factors to consider in addition to European vs. USA.
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JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1460
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 9:05 pm: | |
Boy those 4 questions could start an argument...lol.
So I'll cut to the chase...every 'nice' Daytona is desirable with a list of why's for either version. The old timers that drive them seem to prefer the euro's, while a different camp seems to prefer us. Maybe with the one camp it's that red blooded buy american thinking?
Buy the best one mechanically (almost anyone can paint them) you can find and live La Vida Loca...;-) |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
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Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 546
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 7:24 pm: | |
I happened by Ferrari of Orange County today. They have a red Daytona S/N 16355, 365 GTB/4-A. It is thought to be a European model. A few questions for the experts.
1- What does the "A" designation represent?
2- What production year was 16355? When I look at the Ferrari Market Letter, I see discrepancy between VINs and production years.
3- A book written by G. Roush documents a number of Daytona production statistics. I do not know the name of the book, however, it does not list 16355 as an "A" model. How accurate are the various sources?
4 - Are European models more or less desirable than U.S. versions?
Help is appreciated.
Jim S. |