| Author | Message | ||
| Michael Klein (Malibumk)
Junior Member Username: Malibumk Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2002 |
Why do buyers shop at the very bottom of the price range and then expect to get perfect show cars? And when they see what the bottom offers, why do they do it over and over again? And then spend time complaining about it? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1102 Registered: 11-2001 |
for the record - i'm happy to do quick-looks at cars in the boston area for fchat folks. just email. happy to help. doody. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 673 Registered: 4-2002 |
This is why I take it with a pinch of salt when people, including dealers talk down a price of a particular vehicle type, like the fabled $40K 348's, yeh right, and their always mint, yeh right, sorry but I've seen them, lots of them, in the UK its a �35K 348, amounts to the same, every one I've seen for sale at less than �40K over here I wouldn't touch, many would and do but thats entirely up to them! | ||
| Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 399 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin, most recently, yes, the red/tan 348ts in Miami (Key Biscayne). However, this seems to be a common theme with sellers all over!! | ||
| Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 398 Registered: 8-2002 |
For those who have offered to do a first look. Thank you! I have done a few for other fellow f-chat members. However, if the car is not as described, it is still wasting the seller's time as well as the time of the person doing you the favor of a first look. The funny part is that even if you ask if the car is "as new", you're told 'yes'. However, in reality, if that's what the car looked like when it was new, on the showroom floor, it NEVER would have sold!!! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4721 Registered: 5-2001 |
Fred, e-mail me. I would love to hear which car that was [email protected] red/tan? Miami? just curious. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 601 Registered: 1-2001 |
When I was looking, I had to get a PPI at a F-dealer before I found out that the car was rusting thru the door bottoms. It was described as perfect also... | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 492 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rockstar... Most of the time there is no need for money. If I were in the area and an FChatter asked to have me go look at the car I'd do it. Take the digital camera, snap some pictures, talk to the seller etc. The majority of people in this forum are here to help each other out. Cheers | ||
| RockStar (Remix)
New member Username: Remix Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2003 |
Certainly there are enough members here that it's likely SOMEONE is within an hour's drive to check out a potential buy. Just give them a few $$$ for their trouble - most people are kind enough to help out other Ferrari buyers. REMIX | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3051 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is Electrical engineering the dark side you are refering to? | ||
| Dennis in SE PA (Dennis_in_se_pa)
New member Username: Dennis_in_se_pa Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2003 |
As always, in the long run honesty is the best policy. In the short run sometimes it does not appear to be. This is coming from an engineer that recently moved over to "The Dark Side"  | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 485 Registered: 3-2001 |
I would have the shipped to an authorized Ferrari dealer, or a long established Ferrari independent mechanic. If the car doesn't check out as the seller represents it, they pay all costs, and no deal is done. If it is as the seller represents, then deal is consumated at previously agreed upon price. This way, the less than honest seller will have a disincentive to carry on. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 490 Registered: 1-2003 |
That practice grids on my also. What goes around, comes around. I sold a Cessna 150 three months ago to a guy traveling 300 miles to look at it. I told him EVERYTHING that was wrong with it and almost begged him not to come out. A day later, I had a check sent FedX to me with a note saying 'If you are that honest, the plane is probably a good enough deal'....And it was. Not fishing for compliments, but why can't more people conduct business this way? | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 489 Registered: 1-2003 |
That practice grids on my also. What goes around, comes around. I sold a Cessna 150 three months ago to a guy traveling 300 miles to look at it. I told him EVERYTHING that was wrong with it and almost begged him not to come out. A day later, I had a check sent FedX to me with a note saying 'If you are that honest, the plane is probably a good enough deal'....And it was. Not fishing for compliments, but why can'y more people conduct business this way? | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 4785 Registered: 8-2002 |
You answered your own question. Seller = Lair | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1100 Registered: 11-2001 |
interesting observation, p. thomas, about FNA dealerships providing non-inflated descriptions of their cars. upon reflection, i must concur. i had one car not quite properly represented to me by an FNA dealer, but i honestly believe they just hadn't noticed the particular issue, and once they did, they of course said it would be cleaned up. i put a 355 from a FL non-FNA dealer into a PPI and it was a thorough mess, but was represented as "perfect". i had a friend take a look at a 550 at a non-FNA Los Angeles dealer for me that was represented over the phone as "no nose road rash", "no seat bolster wear", "no leather shrinkage on dash", and so on and so on - and it had all those things. part of this silliness definitely rests on the shoulders of the buyers though (not that i'm condoning lying - it's unacceptable). too many people want a literally "perfect" car, and they want it for a sweet low price. if the car has more than 1000 miles on it, you can assume there's a paint chip or two. if the car has any real usage you can assume there's no way in hell it's going to be perfect. used cars are used cars - they've been used! because so many people only want a "pefect" car it means the salesfolk have to rep it that way to even get you to pay attention. i'm not saying this is a proper behavior on their part, but to some extent the market is forcing them to behave sub-optimally. again, not apologizing - many sellers are sleazebags, for sure. doody. | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
Junior Member Username: Branko Post Number: 71 Registered: 3-2003 |
I found this hard to believe but studies have been made around the fact that the average person lies about 9 times a day. | ||
| Keith Maxwell (Keith_maxwell)
New member Username: Keith_maxwell Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2003 |
I had what I would call an unusual experience. I went to an FNA dealership - Ferrari of Washington - and looked at a Mondial 3.2 cab. The car was very original, needed work - a major service, seats re-dyed, cosmetics; in total about $8K of work to make "perfect". The sale was $30K as is $36K all fixed. Is this common? I'm looking for my first F-Car and all this is a bit new to me. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 154 Registered: 3-2002 |
Fred I went through this also. I was told how you could eat off a cars engine. It is as new etc. I flew to LA from Houston. When I got there I saw paint on the weather- stripping. The seller said the factory did that !! The place for the gas was also pushed back too far. I wasted alot of time on about four different cars. I even paid for a P.P.I. with F of N.E. without ever having seen the car. I am not selling a car. In defense of sellers ~ Some of them are complete ametuers when it comes to purchasing a "used" car. I am by no means an expert. Perhaps they have owned nothing but new cars for most of their lives ? One day an acorn hits em in the head and they decide to purchase a racy used Ferrari. Obviously some people buy the very first car they look at. The car looks terrific from 10 feet away. They are set on Silver and Red ~ They find the car and BAM; it is a done deal. I only want Silver and Red. They may not look as close to the car as you do. Some peoples knees get real weak when they see that Prancing Horse. Then they may decide it is more than they can handle for many different reasons. Now they are going to sell the car they had for a short period of time. They still know nothing about the car. The Ferrari is better looking but the Caddy is more comfy. You also have the crooks of course. Ralph | ||
| Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member Username: Drstranglove Post Number: 373 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yes, may if not almost all of us would be willing to go look at a car for you. DrS | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 264 Registered: 4-2003 |
Through out my F-Car search, the ONLY time that someone has ever described an F-Car 100% accurately and honestly was through a FNA Dealership. Not a panacea, but the FNA Dealers in general seemed to have less of a "Hidden Agenda". | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 263 Registered: 4-2003 |
Fred, if you kindly ask MANY F-Chaters would willing look at the car you you and report back. Is it a PPI? No, but at least an F-Enthuiast can give you a more objective non-biased opinion plus e-mail some pics. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 176 Registered: 1-2003 |
A few years ago I sold my TR to a man from Houston. He was traveling to see my car here is Florida. I offered him references in my area to check on and also told him that I would pay his plane ticket if the car was not how I described it. He came, he saw, he bought! Personally, I would ask for references on the vehicle especially if I was not from the area. References could be bogus also but I would try to get as much info as possible. There is a service that offers vehicle inspection. I dont know the name or the cost. But I know someone who did this once and was not disappointed at all. It might have cost him $200-300 for the inspection but I remember seeing the report from the inspector and it was complete and thorough. EVERYTHING was checked over.I would rather pay the money to get it inspected before making the trip and becoming disappointed and angry at the seller. Good luck. The old adage "buyer beware" applies. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 703 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hans, If I say yes, do you accept? Jack | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1350 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jack: Can I consider that a firm offer for my GT4? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1349 Registered: 4-2002 |
Craig: Bait & Switch is VERY hard to define. It's routine for a new car dealer to advertise the El Strippo Special. When you go in, they'll ask you to look at the Super Deluxe. It IS illegal if they refuse to sell you the El Strippo for the advertised terms, tho. As for used cars, condition, etc. tends to be in the eye of the beholder - and sometimes you'll be mislead, sometimes it's an honest difference of opinion. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 702 Registered: 4-2003 |
Uh.... "Bait and switch"... is that the "I am sorry but the $ 12,000 F50 that we advertised just sold this morning but we do have this daily driver 308 GT/4 for only $ 75,0000 that might interest you" routine? Jack | ||
| Craig A (Milo)
Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 168 Registered: 4-2003 |
Bait and Switch... isn't that illegal? Fred, you may have had legal recourse on the car you flew to see. | ||
| DJParks (Djparks)
Junior Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 245 Registered: 2-2003 |
The age old, 'Bait and Switch" routine. Do ANYHTING to get a prospect in the door and sell what ever you can. DJ | ||
| Craig A (Milo)
Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2003 |
I have personally never heard the third one. I might have used it a time or two. | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 262 Registered: 4-2003 |
I don't know. Why do people in general lie? How many times have you heard: The checks in the mail. I am 5'6", 115 lbs, blonde hair, nice t..ts. Don't worry, I will pull out before I...... Don't worry, my doctor said it was nothing. | ||
| Jeff Chiarella (Jeffc)
New member Username: Jeffc Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2003 |
I agree. As good as Ebay can be on general merchandise it certainly is not a great source to find quality cars. I do enjoy the convenience of living in southern Ca were their is a good supply of quality cars. | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 159 Registered: 3-2003 |
Its precisely why you have to go and look at the automobiles......(Because some do lie) Its funny when I see used auto dealer ads brag about there autos selling "sight unseen." | ||
| Craig A (Milo)
Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 165 Registered: 4-2003 |
"Like new" is one of those fuzzy terms like hot and cold. To me 65 degrees is cold but to someone in the Artic it is very balmy. Evidently you have higher standards then this guy does. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 599 Registered: 1-2001 |
This isn't the fedtrust car is it?... | ||
| Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 396 Registered: 8-2002 |
I know this is probably self explanitory, however, why do seller's lie so much? I just went to look at a 348ts last night that's posted on e-bay as being "like new". I contacted the owner and specifically asked if it had any paintwork at all as well as to fully describe the car and identify anything that was not 'as new'. He insisted it was perfect. Once getting there, I noticed it had had paintwork on almost every panel, the rear tires were bald, the interior was moldy from sitting, every wheel had curb-rash and/or dings, etc... This scenario has happend too many times, including flying cross-country, only to be dissapointed. Why do people waste time? It's wasting their time by having to show a car that someone won't be interested in because they lied and it isn't what was expected/described. Additionally, it is wasting the buyer's time and sometimes $ to go see it. I find this obnoxious to sucker people into coming to look, only to dissapoint! |