| Author | Message | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1410 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rob: Save that diagram of the wide gas pedal. I'll be ordering one soon, probably today if I get off my duff. Hans. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 720 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mike, Thank you so much about the description! Always had the same question as Jason but was too afraid to ask! Finally I know! This board really rocks! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
Junior Member Username: Ytoda928 Post Number: 77 Registered: 6-2001 |
Rob, Which type pf a pedal set do you recommend or the most popular among the 308 owners: standard, mini, or with heel toe gas pedal? Do you have any FerrariChat member discount? Let me know. Thanks, Yoshi | ||
| Rob Baylor (Baylor308)
New member Username: Baylor308 Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hi Hans, The attachement is a CAD rendering. If you want to buy it I can make it for you and ship it by early next week. Print out the attachment and check for fit. You may have to scale it to get the right size on a copy machine or if you have a scanner and photoshop. The proper length is 8.125", width is 1.85". Rob Baylor www.ultimatepedals.com [email protected] 310 798-1434 | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1387 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rob: Does that mean you've made the pedal?!? Or is that a Photoshop? | ||
| Rob Baylor (Baylor308)
New member Username: Baylor308 Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hi Hans, How does this look?  Hi Ben, Thanks for the compliment. Let me know if you would like a pedal set for a BMW. I already have templates for the car. Hi David Handa, I am more than happy to accomodate any modifications. Hi David Stoeppelwerth, If you can provide hand sketches with dimensions of the pedals in your Fomula Atlantic, I would be happy to make a set for you. Rob Baylor www.ultimatepedals.com [email protected] 310 798-1434 | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
Junior Member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 116 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thanks so much, Mike. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1374 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rob: I *think* what might work for me is simply an additional 1/2" width to the left on the gas pedal over it's entire length - with probably a needed cutout at the bottom (like your photo) for clearance of carpets, etc. Do-able? | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 564 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave: Yep, Rob is VERY responsive. I suggested for his "mini" pedals that they might look better as 3-hole rather than 4-hole (Challenge pedals come both ways) and he quickly made a set that way! | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 220 Registered: 1-2003 |
I wish I had your system on my Formula Atlantic. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 816 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rob, That is what I call service! Modifying no problem? Wow. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 563 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jason: This is courtesy of Erik Rucker on the FerrariList... - Heel & Toe - this is using the right foot on both the gas & brake at the same time. The reason you'd want to do this is to match revs when you let the clutch back out after ownshifting (e.g. into a corner). If you just dumped the clutch, you'd get a bunch of extra drag on the back wheels from engine braking and would unsettle (or spin) the car. By bringing the revs up you don't get the drag and the car stays set. The term is a bit of an anachronism - on most modern cars with suspended pedals you do this with the sides of your foot - left on brake, right on gas. The only thing I've ever actually used the heel on was a VW bus (heel on gas, toe on brake). The goal is to have the engine sped up to the same speed it would be if you were simply driving when you let out the clutch. - Double-clutching - the idea here is to help the gears mesh easier. This is most noticeable & necessary on older tired machinery (which is why I had to do it on the farm), and is generally used in downshifting. The practice is: put in the clutch, shift to neutral, let out the clutch, blip the throttle, put the clutch back in, shift down, let out the clutch. The gears will mesh easier because the gears on the "front" half of the tranny will be sped up and will be spinning at about the speed as those on the "back". When upshifting, you'd do the same, but wouldn't blip the throttle (i.e. to slow down the "front" half of the tranny). The idea goes something like this: imagine the drivetrain as having 3 parts, the engine, the "front" part of the transmission, and everything else ("back" of tranny through wheels). The "front" part of the transmission goes from the clutch to "neutral" and the "back" half includes all the actual gears back through the wheels. So the back half is always spinning when the car's moving. When you put in the clutch and shift to neutral, the "front" half of the tranny isn't hooked to anything (isolated by the clutch on one side and the lack of being engaged on the other). Therefore it will tend to keep spinning at about the same speed (OK, it'll slow down gradually over time). When you're downshifting, then, the "front" half is spinning at about the rate is was when engaged to the higher gear (i.e. slowly), but would need to be spinning faster to mate with the lower gear. So by shifting into neutral, letting out the clutch (so connecting it to the engine again) and blipping the gas, you're speeding it up to it matches the speed of the lower gear. Then when you try to engage it, it slips right in. But you've never done this, and have been able to downshift just fine, right? The reason is that there are some parts in the tranny called "synchromesh rings" or "synchros" that help match speeds on the two sides of the transmission when you're shifting. These things sort of bridge the gap just before the engagement takes place and through friction speed up or slow down the "front" of the transmission to the point where the gears can engage. So why do it? Well, synchros do wear out and are expensive to replace (most common reason to tear into a transmission), its good practice for driving a racecar (which may not have synchros), blipping the throttle sounds cool, is fun, etc. Also, it may be required on a car with burned out synchros - like say a '63 International pickup truck, which brings us right back to the farm! So - heel & toeing is a really useful skill. It will help you sift and get around corners faster (after you get the line right, etc.). It is taught at most race schools, but often on the 2nd or 3rd day. It allows me to get my Pathfinder to actually go around corners! Double-clutching is easier on the machinery, but isn't really required with a modern car. However it is good fun and who doesn't like another excuse to stomp of the gas? Give it a shot. And for a much better description of this and everything else to do with going fast, I'd highly recommend Bob Bonderaunt's book "Bob Bonderaunt on High Performance Driving". | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
Junior Member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 113 Registered: 1-2003 |
pardon my ignorance, but I've been wondering this for a while: what is and how does one perform heel - toe driving? I presume it has something to do with keeping your foot on/above the brake and gas pedal at the same time, but I'm not sure. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 370 Registered: 6-2002 |
AWESOME Rob! Just drove an E34 M5 today, and while a great car with an engine to die for, the pedals SUCK for heel-and-toe! (way too far apart.) These look great, nice job! Best! Ben. | ||
| Rob Baylor (Baylor308)
New member Username: Baylor308 Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2002 |
Let me know what you prefer (measurements or a drawing) and I will modify the pedal to suit your needs and knees. I can e-mail you a full size drawing that you can print and use as a paper template. Rob Baylor www.ultimatepedals.com [email protected] 310 798-1434 | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1368 Registered: 4-2002 |
I just wish the "side blob" was higher up. You see, I'm a bit taller. I have to straddle the steering wheel in a sort-of 'giving birth'-like position. So my knees are pointed outward, as are my toes. I guess you might say that I toe-n-heel. | ||
| Anka (Mechanka)
New member Username: Mechanka Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2003 |
Very nice! | ||
| Rob Baylor (Baylor308)
New member Username: Baylor308 Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2002 |
  Here are some photos from a customer of my heel toe gas pedal installed in his 308 GTSi. Rob Baylor www.ultimatepedals.com [email protected] |