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Gordo A. (Gordo)
New member
Username: Gordo
Post Number: 48
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 10:24 am: | |
Stuttgartdavid,
>>Ferrari engineers would leave horsepower on the table with a bad exhaust design? <<
Which Ferrari do you own? Deepest respect but I disagree with you totally!
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my F-car, but it aint perfect, it has 'character'. I replaced the exhaust system on my 348 (manifolds, test pipes) because the factory supplied was shall we say less than satifactory. The manifolds cracked, heat shields were rattling like a tractor we are talking BAD DESIGN.
Ferrari is outstanding no doubt, but perfect? A perfect car wouldnt need to have the engine removed to do a cambelt service at �2000 ever three years....
And I wouldn't be driving a Ferrari to be stealthy either!
Tubi is the answer of that I have no doubt, an oustanding investment, better than constantly repairing the stock system! |
Nick Berry (Nickb)
Junior Member
Username: Nickb
Post Number: 91
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 10:07 am: | |
I changed mine and like it. I doubt I would go back to stock. However I have a Spider and there are times with the top down when I wish I could turn it off.
I am not sure what you mean about boom and resonance in the rev. range.
Highway driving will require you to drive in 5th or 6th gear if you want to keep the sound down. |
Lou B (Toby91)
Junior Member
Username: Toby91
Post Number: 179
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 9:15 am: | |
"Why would Ferrari engineers leave power on the table with a bad exhaust design"
David,as I understand it its because the Tubi will not pass Euro or US certification noise tests. The chief tech guy at FNA told me it adds 3-5% to my 512TR but who knows.
Note the lawyers stamp on the TUBI "for competition use only" |
David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member
Username: Racerdj
Post Number: 235
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 8:44 am: | |
John Burke's opinion is in total agreement with mine. You WILL NOT BE DISAPOINTED! |
John Burke (John_b)
New member
Username: John_b
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 6:42 am: | |
I just bought a 360 F1 last week with a Tubi already installed. Although I have not experienced the car with stock exhaust I find the Tubi to be just right for a sporting car of this nature. It's not too loud but does give the car a serious tone. |
David McAlexander (Stuttgartdavid)
New member
Username: Stuttgartdavid
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 4:44 am: | |
If you want more noise, maybe. But I am glad to see people here are not bragging about adding more power. Why do people always seem to think that Ferrari engineers would leave horsepower on the table with a bad exhaust design? For most cars, and I bet the 360 is no exception, changing to an aftermarket exhaust usually costs you horsepower instead of adding it! Factory engineers aren't stupid, and usually optimize the exhaust for its intended environment. That environment here is a street performance application across a broad rpm band - just the kind of driving most of us use their cars for. If you want more noise at the expense of a smooth torque curve and reduced reliability, ok, spend the extra $1k per db. But unless you have really modified the engine for a different rpm range, don't expect more power. Besides, there is a reason that the US Airforce flys steath bombers instead of attention-attracting bombers (yes, noise is a component of steath in addition to radar and IR signature) - they intend to use their machines in anger, and drawing the wrong kind of heat prevents mission success! |
Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Member
Username: Shelbee
Post Number: 336
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 1:47 am: | |
Perhaps listen to the TUBI sound and turn off the CD player?? |
David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member
Username: Racerdj
Post Number: 232
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 3:30 pm: | |
Low $3k range and 4 hours of your time. |
Clax (Clax)
New member
Username: Clax
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:52 pm: | |
What is a fair price for a Tubi system (quieter version) on the 360? |
ELI (Titanium360)
Member
Username: Titanium360
Post Number: 430
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:15 am: | |
just do it. no hesitation. |
David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member
Username: Racerdj
Post Number: 216
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 9:31 am: | |
One last thought- I feel the car revs faster than stock especially mid range. |
David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member
Username: Racerdj
Post Number: 215
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
I did the Tubi only (no test pipes) in March of this year and would have done it sooner had I been sure of the results. I have heard a fellow chatter's Tubi + Test pipes on his 360 and it sounded like 75% of Schumacher's F-1 sound even several blocks away. No resonance in my rev range that I would classify as anoying to a 49 year old. A wonderful sound at idle. I even zip tied the stock vacume valves open and did not get the desired sound. |
Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member
Username: Solly
Post Number: 476
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:45 am: | |
I put a Tubi in the 360 and love it. Not too loud, and definitely not overwhelming on long drives. Seller claimed an additional 15bhp, but I really don't feel it. |
Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member
Username: Kzma
Post Number: 160
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:15 am: | |
From idle to about 3500 rpm, the 360 sounds like a sewing machine.....I would definitely "TUBI" |
Guillaume (Vancooper)
Junior Member
Username: Vancooper
Post Number: 63
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:08 am: | |
You know, I never was a fanatic of the stock exhaust sound on the 360 compared to the stock 355 sound. But last week I was lucky to get a ride in a 360 with stock exhaust and I have to say that it was quite delightful from the inside, it couldn't be any other way especially with the engine siting right behind your shoulder! |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 1792
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 10:58 pm: | |
In a 360, the're very quite until you get on the gas, then they make a very nice sound. I've got a Tubi on the 355, and I'm thinking about a tubi on the 360. The 360 is very quite until you're on the gas. I'll think about this, maybe ride with another 360, then make up my mind.
Art |
Vincent (Vincent348)
Member
Username: Vincent348
Post Number: 414
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 10:23 pm: | |
have a tubi |
Vincent (Vincent348)
Member
Username: Vincent348
Post Number: 413
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 10:23 pm: | |
I think they sound great. then again I don't listen to the stereo when I drive, and I don't even have one.
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Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 3075
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 9:58 pm: | |
If i had a dollar for every thread with this title..... |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member
Username: Willis360
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 9:57 pm: | |
I have the stock exhaust because it's loud enough for me already. I've also driven with 360 owners (some are here on FerrariChat) who has Tubi. Apparently, there are 2 flavors. The really loud version and a more mild version. It's something you really need to hear for yourself. |
Mark S G Murphy (Msgm1)
New member
Username: Msgm1
Post Number: 24
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 9:04 pm: | |
How many 360 Modena drivers have changed the stock exhaust to a Tubi system?
I understand the Tubi will make the car sound louder, but is there any boom or resonance anywhere in the rev range?
Would the car be wearing on a long trip, ie 300-400 miles?
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