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Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1174 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:15 pm: | |
I've got nothing but time! (until I leave work that is.)
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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1743 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:55 pm: | |
Gee, thanks for throwing that one into the mix, Joop! :-) This one gets real messy and supposedly invloves Giorgio Neri himself. It's exactly why I specifically placed the words "250 GT Nembos" before my list of Nembos. The story behind 5805 GT would have Arlie going all night! |
Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm
Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:51 pm: | |
As far as the coupe is concerned: Nembo 1623GT seems to be for sale - try this link http://www.autosalon-singen.de/Katalogfahrzeug_RecordView_Detail.cfm?fahrzeugID=01317_0000_01_02&languageID=GB Then there's a 5th Nembo (Fake?) based on chassis nr 5805GT (a 330 GT 2+2) See attached picture
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Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm
Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:45 pm: | |
The first time did not work for some reason, but i'll give it a second chance anyway. I've got pictures of all 4 Nembo's mentioned by Wayne. They are attached to this post. The chassis nr is allways in the right bottom corner
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Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1173 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:23 pm: | |
A clone of a rebody? The waters are starting to look even murkier than before. And what if that clone of a rebody on a 250 frame developed a rusty frame and the owner had a new frame made up by the original Ferrari frame makers? We would end up with a clone of a rebody with a repro frame! That would have about as much Ferrari integrity as my kit car, which still looks amazingly like that Nembo rebody. What year was that rebody "rebodied"? My Fiberfab Caribee kit car was advertised in the October 1965 issue of Road & Track? So who copied who? Did Fiberfab and Ne(m)bo use the same Italian design studio? Not that a lowly kit car is on the same par with a rebodied Ferrari, but the two designs look amazingly alike to me. As for double standards, if I restored my kit car to a beautiful condition, it might be worth $5000. If Donald Trump or Mario Andretti owned and restored the exact same car, the value would skyrocket. Hence, my double standard philosophy. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1740 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:13 pm: | |
Yes, of course. My mistake. I should pay more attention to those bright yellow periodicals that show up in my mailbox every couple of weeks, shouldn't I? |
Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr
Post Number: 63 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:07 pm: | |
Wayne: 1777 GT was originally a 250 GT Pininfarina Cabriolet Series II, not a Coupe! |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1739 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
"This is the only Nembo coupe made. There were also at least two spyders." Interestingly, there is now a 3rd spyder. A rebody made to look like one of the original rebodies. The 250 GT "Nembos" are as follows: 1623 GT: Coupe rebodied in 1964 and based on a 250 PF Coupe. 1777 GT: Spyder rebodied in 1965 also based on a 250 PF coupe. 3771 GT: Spyder rebodied in 1966 and based on a 250 SWB. 4773 GT: RHD Spyder rebodied (NOT BY NERI & BONACINI) at some later date and based on a 250 GTE. The fact that 4773 is a Nembo clone and not as "accepted" as the Tom Mead specials should certainly help fuel Arlie's "double-standard" arguement. Arlie? |
Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig
Post Number: 176 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:26 am: | |
Wayne & Gerald -- Thanks a TON for this info! I've been waiting for 15 years to find out what car was in this picture I took!! You guys are awesome! |
Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr
Post Number: 62 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:23 am: | |
A couple of other auctions for this car: Offered Aug 1990 at Coy's of Kensington Auction, Nurburgring, Germany. High bid $762,000 including commission. Car sold. Offered Dec 1999 at Brooks Auction, Gstaad, Switzerland. High bid SFR 440,000. No sale.
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Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr
Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:20 am: | |
Nembo coupe chassis S/N 1623 GT was offered Jan 1988 at the Barrett-Jackson Auction, Scottsdale, AZ. It was not one of Mecom's cars. High bid $410,000. No sale. Engine is stamped S/N 1777 GT, which is the chassis number of one of the Nembo spyders.
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Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig
Post Number: 175 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 9:18 am: | |
Does anyone have a record of what this car sold for (or bid up to) at the 1988 Barrett Jackson auction? I'd like to ad this info to my file if I could, thanks. |
william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 256 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
this is the only nembo coupe made. there were also at least two spiders. currently, the coupe is for sale in germany and i believe the asking price is around $457 k, depending on dollar/euro valuation. the interior is black leather with red carpets. the thomasina's do look like a swoopy p4 but with a much longer front end. |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 1024 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:54 am: | |
Yes the Thommisana 2 looked amazing . Anyone knows where i can get some more pics of it ? |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1460 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:19 am: | |
The "Thommisana I" Blue velore interior. I kind of liked the second one he built looked like a P4. Last time I saw "I" it was back in the US. I wonder where it and "II" are... |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1738 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 2:44 am: | |
David is right. This is 250 GT PF Coupe s/n 1623 GT, rebodied by Neri & Bonacini for Tom Meade. |
Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5
Post Number: 152 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 11:32 pm: | |
Can't wait to find out what it is - my uneducated feeling is that it looks like a Drogo or otherwise re-bodied Ferrari. |
Michael R. Bucci (Bb512)
New member Username: Bb512
Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:59 pm: | |
It is not 15965, as that Michellotti rebody is refferred to as a NART Competition Spyder. Also in reference to the three Michellotti 365 Daytona Rebodies, the first was a targa, the second, a coupe, and the third a spyder. They all look like corvettes also. |
David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc
Post Number: 120 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:48 pm: | |
I would vote against the Michelotti bodied Daytona as this looks to have a 250 series engine. How about a Neri and Bonacini rebody? |
Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig
Post Number: 173 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:45 pm: | |
Based upon Gerald's list of Mecom cars offered at this auction that he posted in the "Polanski Ferrari" thread, I'm going to guess it is: S/N 15965, 365 GTB/4-A rebodied by Michelotti Gerald, is this correct? |
Robert McNair (Rrm)
Member Username: Rrm
Post Number: 394 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:38 pm: | |
Wow. I prefer that substantially over the 365.I almost want to say that is a GTO. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1170 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:38 pm: | |
I'd like to know when it was made. My 1966 vintage Caribee kit car is similar.
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Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig
Post Number: 171 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:22 pm: | |
Here's a pic of another Ferrari that was at the 1988 Barrett Jackson auction... I'm not quite sure what it was, but I think it came from the same Mecom collection as the 365P Center Steering Showcar. I'm pretty sure it was one of the rebodied cars... Can anyone help me identify this car... How much it may have sold for at this auction, and where it might reside today?
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