| Author | Message | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 604 Registered: 9-2002 |
PSk, wait till good old Will reads your thoughts on the venerable TR series. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 475 Registered: 11-2002 |
whart, Agree with all your points. I have never heard of a 288 GTO on the track either, BUT it was designed for Group B. Yep point taken ... Ferrari is just as bad as all the rest now, including Lamborgini. What a shame. It is amazing what happens to a company when somebody plays with their direction. Pete ps: Who wants to buy just another fast road car ... too many cars to choose from. Ferrari used to have more than that ... but maybe it is not Ferraris fault but modern times. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1154 Registered: 12-2001 |
PSK: I think you are protesting a little much. As benchmarks go, some people think Ferrari lost direction after the Daytona, or perhaps when Enzo made his deal with the Agnellis. I agree that the Enzo is over the top, but so was the f-50 (were they really raced; i thought that was a dead letter; perhaps another impractical racecar for the street); i think the f-40 was maligned in some quarters when new, but it has grown a cult following of real drivers, not just trophy collectors; the 288 i honestly have never seen on a track, although i have seen plenty of them at concours (and looks the best of all of them to me). But don't sell the car short just yet.I'm not sure it will be worth over a million dollars when things settle down, and everybody that wants one got one, but, you know i'm somewhat suprised that the f-50 has held its value, given the price threshold (and what else you could buy for that kind of money). BTW, don't tell Bill H. that the 80's TR sucks as a track car. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ahhhh, decisions that the rich and foolish have to make. What a great waste of money, but like you say if you have so much that you do not care then yep go and buy one ... and drool over it! BTW: Please do not lump the 250GTO in with the likes of the Enzo. The 250GTO was a race car designed to win ... now it is a trophy, but it has done its time. This is what soooo disappoints me with Ferrari. They used to make such purposeful, great cars that EARNED so much respect and know they turn around and make a completely useless car like the Enzo (sorry Enzo Ferrari did not mean to use your name in vain, but your misguided company choose to inappropriately name the car). Look at the P4. Design for the track and raced and won and has earned a place in the history books ... similar performance (due to weight) and owe so much more useful. Look at every other car they make before the company lost direction with the 80's Testarossa (sorry, lovely looking car but so wide and heavy to be ineffective on the race track ... the opposite of correct Colin Chapman type thinking), and they have a real purpose, and that was to prove their ability on the ONLY real proving ground and that is the race track. The 288GTO was designed for Group B racing, the F40 raced and won, the F50 was design for a race series ... and the Enzo was designed as an expensive trophy basically for those with toooo much money and inferior egos to have one over the rest of us. The brave rich ones would buy a Prodrive 550 and go racing. Probably end up costing as much after a season or two, but owe so much more to it. Please lets start a movement to return Ferrari to its correct focus and not let the company become another Lamborgini, Vector, etc. that just makes rediculously expensive toys for those with more money than sense, and lets ensure that each new model that Ferrari produce can and will prove itself as the true performance leader by WINNING on the race track ... and not hiding in the corner like a coward, ala Lamborgini, etc. I am just so disappointed that a great racing company can make crap like the Enzo, basically for little boys to have their first sexual experience over as they read another cheap and glossy car magazine. They were doing so right with the F355 and now the 360 and 550-575, making up for the 80's confusion. Just what will the future hold? Enzo would be so pissed!. Racing is everything, there is nothing else, and to be the fastest you have to win on the track ... plain and simple. Pete ps: A race car for the road, BS there is no such thing ... just an inefficient, useless road car. ps2: And before anybody jumps in a correct states that not all Ferraris were designed as race cars, let me explain that many Ferraris were designed simply to be road cars ... not to be both. The Enzo is trying to be a race car, and yet it isn't and it is supposeably a road car ... which it is completely useless as. Thus as a design exercise it comes close to last in missing ALL the criteria of a good design. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1822 Registered: 6-2001 |
If you have to have one, and you can afford it, the price is irrelevant. That's why GTOs cost so darn much. If you have to have one, and have the dough, you pay. Same deal here. There are plenty of guys with more money than they need, like Ferraris and will pay for one of these. Unless the world economy tanks in the next few months, these cars will sell, the price will go up, and those that didn't buy, will pay more. Art | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1732 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ah, Denise Richards.... Mmmmm... And she married CHARLIE SHEEN??????????????? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1153 Registered: 12-2001 |
PSK, the same might be said about Denise Richards, but it would not dissuade me... | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 471 Registered: 11-2002 |
Why? Can't race it, can't use the performance on the road ... just a trophy IMO. Rather buy a Porsche GT2 and go racing  , or even a F360 Challenge. Very expensive trophy that Enzo ... might as well buy a 1/8th model, be about as useful. Pete | ||
| Matthew J Germane (Mjgermane)
Junior Member Username: Mjgermane Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2003 |
There is also one in Autoweek going for 1.5 million. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 621 Registered: 11-2002 |
No. There are many others on the list before the Enzo. Especially with that kind of coin. Cheers | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Junior Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 158 Registered: 4-2002 |
I like the ones that use Auto Show or file photos to show the car. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 709 Registered: 9-2001 |
Scott, Want to buy NINE other Enzos? http://www.mobile.de/SIDGTUk9sjZAcxHGlOKapVJeQ-t-vexlCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSA7J1054135264A1CCarS-t-vpLtt~BmPA1B20A0N-t-v_x~BSRA5A0/cgi-bin/searchPublic.pl?_form=search&sr_make=14&sr_model=Enzo&sr_priceFrom=-2&sr_priceTo=-2&sr_mileageFrom=-2&sr_mileageTo=-2&sr_registr Still no "cheap" offers, though! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| scott chivers (Spider_scott)
Junior Member Username: Spider_scott Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2002 |
990,000 euros!!! ...if only I had some spare pocket change. http://www.qv500.com/makansienzo.htm |