| Author | Message | ||
| RockStar (Remix)
New member Username: Remix Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2003 |
I disagree, Ernesto. Dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks, I guess. The extent to which Vipers can be modded is pretty remarkable (and relatively inexpensive). Superchargers, NOS, smooth tubes, heads, headers and exhaust. It's not too hard to put these things in the 10's. The best part is the do-it-yourself guys like me can accomplish the majority of work themselves, including the maintenance. I'm a huge F-car fan, but I love Vipers for what they are - a brute, sledgehammer approach to speed. And they're just so...well, American. As I said before, however, I think they dropped the ball with the ragtop's design. Just waiting to see what the coupe looks like. REMIX | ||
| Rick (Srt10)
New member Username: Srt10 Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
These 9 tests were comprised of more than just speed and acceleration. There were two categories of braking to which the new Viper now holds Motor Trend records. Also, a 600-foot slalom, and a figure-8 performance test were a good measure of agility and cornering ability. Keep in mind, Ferrari touts a Formula 1 technology transfer into the 575M, and to be spanked by a convertible in these events is noteworthy. I know, I know�.....but it's not a Ferrari. :-) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 640 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wayne, Is that your Comp Coupe in the picture? Never seen them in black. Cheers | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
Junior Member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 121 Registered: 1-2003 |
Like the new look, it's more Ferrari-ish in that it doesn't scream at you but you know it's a performer. That's why Ferrari's have more class, IMO, than Lambos. You can't slip by unnoticed, but you're not screaming to the world, look at me, look at how great I am. Agree, though, that it looks a lot like the S2000. This is on my radar screen, but will wait to see how the used market treats it. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1514 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'd buy a used 355 for what a new Viper costs. Ernesto | ||
| James P. Smith (Tigermilk)
Junior Member Username: Tigermilk Post Number: 141 Registered: 7-2001 |
So what if it isn't a Ferrari. It's the best looking American car to come out in the last 3 decades. My wife wants one, which is good news for me. She drools every time she sees one on the road. I'd prefer it any day over a Vette. The performance would blow my 308 away, but the 2 cars would compliment each other in the looks department. | ||
| RockStar (Remix)
New member Username: Remix Post Number: 29 Registered: 3-2003 |
Not a big fan at all of the new design, but the new SRT-10 is amazing. I still prefer the "old" design of the Viper GTS - it's just so obnoxious, esp. with stripes. REMIX | ||
| wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
New member Username: Bad_tt Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2002 |
Still not a Ferrari(LOOKS<SOUNDS<ETC) I recd Comp Coupe 2 weeks ago..TOTALLY different BEAST! www.graduategemologist-gia.com/cc1.jpg | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 924 Registered: 10-2001 |
Kids (and me!)who buy the mags like to see 'Ferrari' and Lamborghini' names on the cover, hence the frequent comparisons with other cars. When you have the Ferrari name, the best the competition can come up with as a selling point is more speed and acceleration. Not a big deal to me that a Viper is quicker or faster; it may be a great car but I'll take a 'slower' Ferrari. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 694 Registered: 4-2002 |
Over on the Viper board, there is a note about signing up for the second 'batch' of competition coupes. So if you want one, now is the time to strike. Althoug the SRT10 is a big step forward in Vipers, I, myself, am not partial to drop tops. http://www.viperclup.org | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1239 Registered: 3-2002 |
i like that new viper too, and if i could have numerous cars then it would be in the stable..... as for why cars are always compared and tested against ferraris, well its pretty obvious to me: if you are considered the industry standard, then everybody will be aiming at you and the mags have to compare it with the perceived 'best' car in category. it doesn't hurt ferrari to be in this position, even when the stats of other cars are better, because it keeps maranello on their toes, and ferrari still have more class than all of the others combined so there is really no contest in the end anyway.... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5043 Registered: 12-2000 |
Agree with most here. SRT great car. Z06 better value. Ferrari is still a Ferrari, even though it gets beat on most performance criteria. Like the 1st gen Viper look better. | ||
| Brad Chang (Viper_10)
New member Username: Viper_10 Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2002 |
The Coupe version of the SRT-10 is slated to be delivered in '05. It'll look very much in line with the Competition Coupe. I like the brake improvements on the SRT-10, but it's not enough to make me sell my GTS Coupe. The folks at DC really compromised the looks on the new car. They seem to be going after a completely different market. I hope that they don't sanitize the Coupe version too much. It's nice to see the Americans get competitive again. Brad | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1731 Registered: 1-2002 |
I had the opportunity to drive one recently. One of my DE students had a new Viper, and he let me play. Man, what a tight car! Torque out the ying-yang, wheelspin in 4+ gears if provoked, UNBELIEVEABLE brakes, and superb balance & steering response. I actually thought it was an incredible car for the money. The Z06 is actually the better bargain, IMO, but the new Viper is King of the Hill. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 123 Registered: 2-2003 |
StickandDice You're right! I never thought about it like that. Now, that you mention it I know for a fact the stats just aren't there for many rolls or Bentleys in almost all auto mags, and if they are it is only 0-60 and quarter mile. They never put 0-100 in there or skidpad. Also if you are buying a Bentley is an extra $120,000 that much more. Thanks Erik | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 637 Registered: 11-2002 |
Another thing... Consider the audience. That's why you get shootouts that have the M5, RS6, E55, but no mega luxury cars. These cars get abused during these tests. That's why a lot of times in the stats section of a Rolls or Bentley you'll find N/A. Cheers | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 636 Registered: 11-2002 |
My take on it is that sports cars have a barometer, which is their statistics. Granted, the stats can be deceiving when it comes to how much one enjoys the car. Nevertheless, it is quantifiable. An S55 v. Bentley is a different story. As long as acceleration is adequate the average Bentley/S55 buyer will care more about the vehicle itself. That is why feature articles on the vehicle alone serve this purpose. Also as an addition, knowing a bunch of Bentley drivers...Your average Bentley buyer will not put an S55 as comparison. If they like it they'll get both. Bentley is so steep in tradition and exclusivity that a Merc can't even compare. Cheers | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 121 Registered: 2-2003 |
I would rather have a viper as a fun car then a Z06, but a Z06 is a lot easier to live with as a daily driver IMO. However, I still don't like how mags have to compare everything made with Ferrari and Lambo. Why don't they ever compare head to head an s55 with a bently arnage turbo? It bothers me that every sports car is compared to a Ferrari, but it never happens with any other type of car. I have noticed that auto mags are starting to really have huge gaps with the types of cars they are testing. Road and track test a 350z a while ago with a porsche and a z06 come on does this even make sense? What do you guys think about these evaluations? Erik | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2002 |
I hope so, the SRT looks like a big S2000. Does look good though!  | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1258 Registered: 8-2001 |
I saw that on Motor Trend Television on Speed the other day. Overall, I was most impressed by the new Viper. I, too, like the coupe (GTS) better. Will they build a new GTS? | ||
| Matthew J Germane (Mjgermane)
Junior Member Username: Mjgermane Post Number: 78 Registered: 1-2003 |
I noticed the same thing. The Viper may be the best car you can get for the money it costs. I think I would still rather have a Z06 though. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 624 Registered: 11-2002 |
I wanted to get a Competition Coupe but they were only available to racers and stuff. Very nice ride indeed. I've always liked the coupe Vipers much more than the ragtops though. Cheers | ||
| Rick (Srt10)
New member Username: Srt10 Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anyone notice that the new SRT-10 ragtop did exceeding well in the June Motor Trend competition? In nine different categories it went 8-0-1 against the Maranello and 5-3-1 against the Murcielago. Not bad for an American-built! From a performance standpoint, you have to admit this is one hell of a car. I know, I know......but it�s not a Ferrari. :-) |