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| Andrew Randazzo (Arandazz)
New member Username: Arandazz Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003 |
Check out this article from the UK Superbike mag. comparing the Ducati 998R, MV Agusta Senna & Benelli Tornado. The overall ratings are: 94% Ducati 98% MV Agusta 90% Benelli http://www.flatmates.com.au/images/dec_superbike.zip | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 701 Registered: 4-2002 |
Andrew, I also run an MV F4S and consider it the Ferrari of motorcycles, heck its a damned site more of one than a Ducati! Ducati's are extremely common on any sunny sunday in the UK, MV's are rare as heck on our roads, another point that moves a Duke away from the likes of F. Peter, the MV motor was designed with Ferrari involvement, the Ducati motor was not, this makes the Engineering link much stronger with the MV, none existent with Ducati (other than the Italian manufacturer link) | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
New member Username: Chaa Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2003 |
LOL! Oh yea the TZ-250!! MMM i think i will go quietley away and polish me bike in the corner.C | ||
| peter brinzey (Ferraripete)
Junior Member Username: Ferraripete Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2002 |
ducati 998 and 999...the ferrari 360 of motorcycles. thousands made and anyone can own one. mv agusta...the maserati of motorcycles. few made and have a real racing pedigree. bimota...the lanborghini of motorcycles. some spectacular to look at and some ugly as hell! hyabusa...the ultra hot rodded toyota supra of motorcycles. fast as ••••...but who cares. all of which will be blown away on the twisties by a good rider and a tz-250! | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
New member Username: Chaa Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2003 |
I agree with alot that has been said bellow,the reason why i personaly said that MV was the Ferrari of the bike world was becourse of Ferraris involvenent with MV right from the early stages of the F4,and becourse of the Ferrari F4 speacials that were made in the F1 livery.I love the Dukes but i am always tripping over them and Crushing them with my Hyabusa (ha! ha!) Flame away. C | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 246 Registered: 8-2002 |
I went to Maximum Motorsports and test drove Aprilia's yesterday. Aprilia brought a 1/2 million dollar trailer with a few each of all their models. The trailer was equipped better than most hotels. (One guy wanted to test drive the trailer). They take it from place to place all over the country. Factory reps were there and we took the bikes out for rides. Aprilia is like the Ferrari of motorcycles. Probably going to trade in my Honda VFR. | ||
| E. Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
New member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
Interesting thread. I am looking into obtaning my first Ferrari right now, but I have imagined owning one since I was 10. I went from being a car nut into being a motorcycle nut as well around when I was 15. Over a decade later, I am finally able to realize some of my dreams as a kid. I just bought my second Ducati a couple of months ago. Given the idea that all out speed (or numbers - i.e. my xxx does 0-60 in x.x) isn't everything to me, it was an interesting search. I do go to the track with my motorcycle so I wanted something track ready and highly capable. I rode the MV Agusta and, while I liked it, it didn't seem to have what the Ducatis have. I went with a Ducati 998, the best of all the bikes that I have ridden,and I have never looked back. While I don't believe in the "Ferrari of Motorcycles" statements, I would have to say that, in my opinion, if you want a bike with real history, advanced technology, landmark design, and true track capability - all the things that Ferrari owner's can say - you go straight to Ducati. If you want something rarer, maybe not quite as advanced but still with a lot of style, then the MV Agusta seems to be it. Anyways, I think that there is a high correlation and overlap between Ducati and MV owners and Ferrari enthusiasts and owners. Both appreciate Italian style, history, and passion and both feel that the unabated pleasure of riding/driving these beasts far outweighs the more expensive maintenance, the occasional quirkiness, and the responsibility of owning such a fine machine. | ||
| Andrew Randazzo (Arandazz)
New member Username: Arandazz Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2003 |
True Chris, when you look at racing there is a stronger correlation between Ducati and Ferrari. For me the MV Agusta is just an overall better bike then the Ducati; it is the most refined and stylish bike today; therefore I give it the same status as Ferrari even though it does not currently have the racing to back it up. | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
New member Username: Valence Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2003 |
Andrew, what about the Duc? I see a stronger correlation between Ducati and Ferrari - especially when you take racing into account. Don't get me wrong - I dig MV's, and I'm aware of their legendary (old school) racing status. | ||
| Andrew Randazzo (Arandazz)
New member Username: Arandazz Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2003 |
(Labcars) pretty much summed it up � �there isn�t any correlation theory.� For me personally it�s the �Performance & Style� that link Ferraris and motorcycles. Others may disagree. Yes, the Ferrari of motorcycles is IMO the MV Agusta F4. Do you agree? Picture of my MV F4 Senna and a friends F4 Specail Parts.  Senna tail  | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2003 |
They have also used Yamaha, Honda and Ducati motors. The Lamborghini comparision was made "tongue-in-cheek" after the guys that said they had the "Ferrari of motorcycles." No offense meant. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 655 Registered: 11-2002 |
Either way, the comparison is flawed. For one Lamborghinis work quite well on the road. Cheers | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think the corelation is the ability to travel very fast, late at night under the cover of darkness with all of your running lights off, by yourself (running an errand for an unknown "Friend" or "boss" ), from state to state, on a "delivery". ..Ok sorry I will stop. I was only kidding. I think it is the speed, sound, etc. Have a good weekend. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 654 Registered: 11-2002 |
I disagree that Bimotas are the Lamborghinis of the car world. Bimotas use Suzuki engined road scalpels with chassis and suspension sorted via Bimota. Their only attempt at their own engine was a dismal failure. I do agree that the SB8R is the pick of the bunch though. Nice bike! | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2003 |
Bimotas are the Lamborghini of motorcycles: built in tiny quantities, notoriously unreliable (except for this, their last model), don't work very well on the road (again, except for this model) but look incredible. It's all carbon fiber except for the gas tank and the upper frame rails. Here is a pic of my bike:  | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
New member Username: Chaa Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hi all, I to am into bikes and own a MV Agusta F4 the real Ferrari of the bike world, in fact ferrari had alot to do with the engine design,and tamburine (i think thats how you spell it) Striped a F40s egsaust system to study it befor makeing the for pipe system for the MV F4. At the MV F4 launch the owner of Cageva bikes who make MV thanked the involvment of Ferrari who were involved from the early stages. Aparantly the top guys at MV and mr P. ferrari are frends. When Ferrari won the world champs at F1 there were speacial edition F4 bikes in the Ferrari Livery made and given to the drivers.And i know Eddie Ervine had one of the first ORO F4s. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
Junior Member Username: Labcars Post Number: 96 Registered: 1-2003 |
I don't know that there is any correlation theory, either positive or negative, which would apply to any large subset of the populations we're discussing here. I, for one, own both old and new f-cars, p-cars, m-cars, etc., etc., as well as a custom harley, a ducati monster, and a bmw r1100rs. Each of these vehicles tickles a different bone in my body (soul?) and brings to mind vivid, but different memories each time I drive/ride one. The reaction of others to each of these vehicles is driven by the biases (positive and negative) of the beholder, but generally, those that are idosyncratic in their own choices appreciate and respect my choices, no matter what I'm in/on. I think we tread on dangerous ground in trying to generalize about any constituency, since what's good for the goose is almost always equally good for the gander. Careful how we pigeonhole. | ||
| John Burke (John_b)
New member Username: John_b Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
I own a 360 Modena and a Ducati 998R (that I race) and a Suzuki GSXR1300 Hayabusa Streetbike. The Ducati is basically the Ferrari of Motorcycles, Beautiful, Fast and a sound that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 650 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rode the Buell and the thing handles great. Too bad the engine is a lump. Interesting post. Interesting timing too since I'm getting rid of my bike this weekend. Fitting, since I don't have a Ferrari, the bike was never meant to be!  Maybe I'll rethink in a couple of months. The only thing that has given me a more visceral motoring experience than an exotic car has to be motorcycles. I think that therein lies the connection. Adrenaline junkies and collectors. Explains the sportsbike and Harley crowds. Cheers | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1849 Registered: 6-2001 |
I would think that most people who own Ferraris would own sport bikes, not Harleys. I'm not knocking Harleys, but they are a cruising type of bike, certainly not into performance (Exce3t for a Buell, which really isn't a Harley, its a Ducati Bevel Drive, with a Harley motor). Art | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2003 |
bikers are cool too! | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Member Username: Markg Post Number: 495 Registered: 2-2001 |
Come across quite a few 'bikers' (NOT crotch rocket types, but they're cool too) and have NEVER had a negative response - even from those flying 'colors' its always a thumbs up. Makes me think it might be ok to take the 308 to Sturgis sometime..... | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1248 Registered: 3-2002 |
bikers like ferraris in general i think because - appreciation for speed - they are usually not riding their bikes for simple transport, so they understand the concept of 'toy' or cherished vehicle and therefore have respect for your machinery and not jealousy. - they usually know how to ride, or at least how not to ride given that there is a low life expectancy for screwing around on a bike, so they are usually not the ones weaving in/out of traffic giving you a hard time or playing bullshit games. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2003 |
Reason I ask is that I have always been a bike guy (I started riding in Florida when I was 14, which was a l-o-n-g time ago).It has only been in the last 5 years or so that I gotten back into sports cars (they're safer don't ya know, ha!) I have ended up with a F-Car because, well, they're edger (sp?)than the Porsches and remind me of a sports bike. But there may be something esle. The classic excuse given by non-car people for buying a Ferrari is penis envy, mid-life crisis, hustling chicks and so forth and so on. The truth, though, is not that simple. Because if that was all there was, then why not buy a Vette for one quarter the cost? (Sorry Vette lovers.) I don't care how much money you have, Ferraris are expensive. So why spend the money if all you want to do is to impress strangers? I'm wondering if the truth about owning a Ferrari is the individual experience, just like a motorcycle. That is, I brought my 550 for me, myself and I. My wife is not interested in riding in it, nor am I all that interested in taking her. When I drive the car, I don't turn on the radio. I don't talk on the cell. I just listen to the car. It is just a gas to drive the car, but not on the freeway, not around town, not around the neighborhood, not in traffic, not around a lot of cops. In fact, I use the 550 like I used to use my motorcycles. I sneak out early in the a.m. on some back roads that I know and put 150 miles on the car in a heart beat. The places I go,no one even knows that the car is Ferrari. I tell the folks at the gas station that it is a prototype Mustang (it has a horsie on it). Again, this is how I used to ride motorcycles. So I'm wondering how many of you also don't fit the stereotype of a middle-aged crazy who gets a Ferrari and a gold chain? As hard as it is for some to understand, I really enjoy driving the car. I don't do it to impress anyone other than myself. Dale | ||
| Ulf Modig (Ulf308qv)
Junior Member Username: Ulf308qv Post Number: 70 Registered: 3-2001 |
In my opinion it's because of soul, feeling, heritage and sound. Different from other mass produced vehicles. (Referring to Ferrari & Harley). "If I had to explain, you wouldn't understand" | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1157 Registered: 12-2001 |
I have commented on this before. It seems like Harley people, who seem to distain other bikes, especially sportsbikes from Japan, and cars in general, really, inexplicably, dig ferraris. So, too, do the kids riding crotch rockets. Its nice to please everybody. There is, as i pointed out in an earlier post, a connection between Harley and Ferrari: both are perhaps the best known marques for their vehicle type, are certainly not the highest performance, let alone for the dollar, and are overpriced I could add that both are built by neandrathals, but that would be unfair: its too big a word for most of the people who own__________. (No insult intended; fill in the blank yourself). | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 457 Registered: 4-2003 |
I've noticed it as well. They always have a friendly wave or a smile. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'm starting to notice sumthang here... Folks who are into real motorcycles (not, uh, well you know) are also into FCars. Wonder why? |