| Author | Message | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4392 Registered: 8-2002 |
i have $100 on Karson's mom. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2338 Registered: 9-2001 |
What production/industrial Ferrari can beat a Viper on the track ? | ||
| James Adams (Madmaxx)
Junior Member Username: Madmaxx Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2002 |
SRT-10: Brakes = GOOD. About the only notable thing on the car Engine = Blah. Intake issue already, same output as Gen2 Looks = Crap. S2000 anyone? Designed by econo-car maker Interior = Did not like. More upright, ride quality less than that of a upgraded coupe. ...and it's a convertable. Ick. They've already had several issues with the differential nuking. I'll stick to my oldschool viper looks. MM | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 495 Registered: 3-2001 |
Well now.....that changes the picture a bit. Allan....you're a fool. Go away. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5102 Registered: 12-2000 |
Matt, you got suckered by Allan. He posted it, even if he didn't write it, just like he's posted all the others. He posted the subject. Come on, he hits and runs, look through all his posts. Hardly any add value to the Ferrari community and all follow the same template. He quotes someone else and lets the fire start, then he comes back in and plays like he doesn't understand why everyone is getting so upset because they were "facts" from some magazine or a "quote" from someone else and not him. We all know what he's up to and it's pathetic and cowardly. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 494 Registered: 3-2001 |
Allan...after re-reading your first post, I now see that it was not you who made those statements. I am sorry for jumping on you. My mistake, and it was wrong. Next time I will engage my reading skills before I get passionate and respond. But as far as straight line racing...I still have my money on my mother!! Regards | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 576 Registered: 6-2002 |
Matt, if you would of read the post, youd see that those were not my comments, but the Viper drivers comments which i found on the Viper forums.None of that has to do with me. | ||
| Scotty (Pzerowaster)
Junior Member Username: Pzerowaster Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2002 |
As the saying goes... it takes all kinds. And there are folks out there who would probably put a nitrous kit on a fine Italian exotic to go faster in a straight line. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 492 Registered: 3-2001 |
Allan...it's understood by the 'simple nature' of your following comments that you don't have much track experience......... "The other cars mentioned were all completely toast... I was all over them like white on rice... Not even worth the upload time. At the end of the day... I did not have to move over once and I ended up passing every car there... In the war against the Ferarri, It looks like Dodge dropped "the big one" I am still grinning..." But it's just that those comments sound so - how to say this in a polite way - foolish (not bad huh?) that only a true wanna be would utter them. I didn't look at the video, as I knew that everyone involved couldn't drive their way out of a paper bag. As far as 0 - 100 or 0 - 200....I think I'll let my 67 year old MOTHER drive the car for that race...because THAT'S ALL THE TALENT IT TAKES TO 'RACE' A CAR IN A STRAIGHT LINE WITH YOUR RIGHT FOOT!! Nothing personal....just me and my jaded opinion. As far as Adam...I'd love to run with him. I'm usually at the track 35 days or so a summer, so I presume I'd run into (excuse the pun) him. However, I never see any Vipers being driven hard. Not that there are not some good Viper drivers out there...I just have not run with any. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 574 Registered: 6-2002 |
Matt as you obviously have much more experience track racing than i do, i have no doubt that you would beat me. If youd like to go 0-100 or 200mph, than let me know. But if your so into racing, why not race Adam, who owns a Viper and also does track events. He has offered to run several times, and no one has taken him up on it. It is just a stock GenII Viper, and he lives by you i think. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 353 Registered: 10-2002 |
Noel, you are quite right. It is just that the title of this thread is "355 Challange car beaten by new Viper on track".  | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 318 Registered: 2-2003 |
Faisal, mainly in a straight line, the challenge of course has better(slick)tires and corners better. remember in the video it's a 348 not a 355, and a lot of the guys here are debating the 355 vs. viper issue, that's not the video. Bob's(viper)track times were 1:25sec. my car was doing 1:29sec. i don't know about the 355s but the 348 was slower. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 352 Registered: 10-2002 |
There you go. Friends. The verdict is on the wall. For many people on this forum, owning a Ferrari is a life long dream. For better, for worse. So imagine what would happen if an owner of, say, a Mclaren or even an Enzo were to come along, barging into this forum and starting to insult his peers around by bragging that "my car is faster and more expensive than yours". Over and over again. At every convenient opportunity. I am sure that he will quickly get his just deserts. Why should there be any difference if an owner of a run-of-the-mill Lambo were to barge in and persist in doing likewise? | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 491 Registered: 3-2001 |
Ok Allan...how about this...I ship my car out to your neck of the woods....take one day to learn your home track...then we go for fastest lap. I lose, you get your dinner. I win..you pay my expenses for going to your home track....plus dinner! Of course, the offer goes to you if you like to come to the Glen! | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Junior Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 209 Registered: 3-2003 |
Faster in a straight line, faster around a track, or faster 0-100-0? Or 0-150-0? ------------------- it's funny reading this and seeing how people speculate. i was there on wed(when this was filmed[see "track day"]). the car is a 348(there were 355c's there but the nicole miller car is a 348), the driver is very very experienced and was not there to compete. the viper guy is a cool guy and he also has a 550. the viper is faster and cheaper, there is no debate. i don't like vipers, but it would be in the face of reality to say that the ferrari is faster. i own a ferrari and have no plans on selling it for a dodge, but the dodge is more bang for the buck...so what. i think that Bob(the viper driver), was just very fired up about his new purchase and wanted to brag a little...no biggie, we've all done it. ------------------------ Rgds, Faisal. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 384 Registered: 6-2002 |
To that end, and all excuses asside, a win is a win, and a pass is a pass. I don't care if you had old plug wires, blah blah blah, if I passed you, or you passed me, then that's what happened. I would still take on a Viper in a 355C any day of the week, and 4 or 5 sessions on Sunday! ;D) Best! Ben. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 317 Registered: 2-2003 |
it's funny reading this and seeing how people speculate. i was there on wed(when this was filmed[see "track day"]). the car is a 348(there were 355c's there but the nicole miller car is a 348), the driver is very very experienced and was not there to compete. the viper guy is a cool guy and he also has a 550. the viper is faster and cheaper, there is no debate. i don't like vipers, but it would be in the face of reality to say that the ferrari is faster. i own a ferrari and have no plans on selling it for a dodge, but the dodge is more bang for the buck...so what. i think that Bob(the viper driver), was just very fired up about his new purchase and wanted to brag a little...no biggie, we've all done it. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 490 Registered: 3-2001 |
Maybe a little wager???? Loser buys top shelf dinner for 2 in NYC.....$500 limit (need to account for the wine)?? Limerock or Watkins Glen...your call. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 489 Registered: 3-2001 |
Allan....care to play???? How about you bring your Viper to an event I'm at.....I'd LOVE to see you make me and my little 355C look slow. And you can do that 'white on rice' thing to me as well. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 380 Registered: 6-2002 |
Just watched Jon's vid- What Viper? That red-looking thing stoped on the track? UUUNGH! Gotta get me a Challenge car now! PS: Jon- you sure shift like you mean it, does that 355 have anything done to the gearbox to allow such quick shifts, or are you just pursuasive? Best! Ben. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 379 Registered: 6-2002 |
DES- I'll match that, get some pics! LOL Jon- you're fast as all hell, and from what I've seen, one great driver. (esp when a P-car dumps it's coolant Agree with 100% of what you say, thanks for posting informative lap times! Allan- I beat a Viper around Sears Point in a Fiero once. With the stock engine. No fooling, I even have a lousy video of the pass. That should show everyone with any sense at all that it's ALL about the driver Best! Ben. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4371 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rob, please post dates - i'll sell my car to see that; hell, i'll sell my body to participate... Also, i'll take whatever the odds are, $100, on Rob... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5089 Registered: 12-2000 |
Allan, you mess with me every single day! Post 99% good posts and I'll let you post one of these now and then. So far it's the other way around. Become a respected member of the community, not the village a-hole. If not, I'm bringing not my 380 hp Challenge car down or not even my 200 hp BMW, but I'll bring my 100 hp 1st gen Rx7 and beat your tractor all around the track. Any bets? pink slip?  | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 570 Registered: 6-2002 |
LOL! Rob, dont get your panties in a bunch, just messin with ya!lol | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5088 Registered: 12-2000 |
Comments like "Allan is anti Fiero, i mean Ferrari" and he comes back like, geez, why you picking on me always? ...because you're an ••••••• and a jack ass. internet or not. need your ass kicked. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 567 Registered: 6-2002 |
LOL. Nah, i have too much fun with you guys! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3811 Registered: 9-2001 |
"Actually i posted on the Viper forums, that it was a 348, and that it really didnt look like the driver was out doing anything but a Sunday drive. Also noted that the 355 was miles appart from the 348. So look, i stood up for Ferrari. ONCE." that is because you wanted to piss them off since they were viper guys | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 565 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh here we go again! Bring up a subject, and right away it gets turned into an"Allan is anti Fiero, i mean Ferrari" thread. Actually i posted on the Viper forums, that it was a 348, and that it really didnt look like the driver was out doing anything but a Sunday drive. Also noted that the 355 was miles appart from the 348. So look, i stood up for Ferrari. ONCE. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think Jon deserves a full round of applause from us Ferrari supporters, for adhering to facts and not bias and bigotry. I just wonder how long did it take him to write that very lengthy, but wonderfully educational, post. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 680 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks Patrick! It was 6:40 am in the morning when I posted after I went to bed last night at 2 am. What a blunder. No offense to the Canadians but you all can keep Montreal. Jon | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1846 Registered: 6-2001 |
That looks like a 348, with 355 badly done lights. Art | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4740 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tom leaving to the airport in a few minutes. Will meet with Hubert Otlik in MC on Sunday after the race and then later Hubert and I will meet again in Maranello together with Jerry. Tuesday night we have a nice dinner reservation at Cavallino Ristaurante | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jon P. Kofod, Montreal is not in the US, it is in Canada. I have to set the 2 apart because all of the rednecks here in AZ aren't fans of Canada.There is a big difference between Canada and most parts of the US,except for the border states. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4739 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rob, maybe its a converted 355 to look like a 348 ???? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4738 Registered: 5-2001 |
October 2002 Homestead Miami Speedway: Track day with Porsches and Vipers. I am driving my 348 road car and there is a Viper in front of me. The guy had obviously no clue what he was doing. I am right on his tail on all corners but on the straights he is hammering the car and pulles away. Passing only in straights means that I can not pass him. It took that guy 3 laps to figure out that I was indeed faster than him overall and he finally let me by. From then he saw only tail lights moving away fast. This is with my road 348 at 320HP. What I am saying is Ford Focus. Its all about the driver. Compare lap times in different cars by same driver and you get real times. On that note I also passed the Enzo in Sebring with a F355 Spider top open and CD blaring That does not mean the Enzo is slower than the 355. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5083 Registered: 12-2000 |
yea, I should know better. the grill looks to be the easiest way to tell. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3802 Registered: 9-2001 |
martin, are you in monaco? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4737 Registered: 5-2001 |
BTW the Challenge 355 I have has been tracked in SCCA T1 and has gotten 2 pole positions in both races. Road Atlanta and Moroso. Don't know if there were any Vipers though! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1031 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rob , the 348 has the Testarossa like grill , the 355 has the 4 tail lights as the 360 .   | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4363 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan, buddy, how are you...? How are you feeling...? Is everything okay...? i hope things are alright... Listen, if you need to talk, let me know... You're an okay person, Allan... i know it hurts, inside, but it's okay... It's okay to cry... You shouldn't think so lowly of yourself... Go look in the mirror and tell yourself that you're okay, too... That you count. That everything will be okay. Keep hope alive, buddy. You'll do just fine. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 257 Registered: 9-2001 |
Rob, Even in a bad video from a distance like this the square reverse lights toward the center of the car is the first thing that stands out. Of course on the 355 the reverse light are part of the round taillights so this is the easiest give away. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5074 Registered: 12-2000 |
Jon, the problem with comparing the 355 Challenge with the Viper is... In favor of the Challenge not many are raced in T1 and none at all with a qualified driver. T1 is full of pro drivers like Archer and Scott White. Not a fair comparison. In favor of a Viper they do run restrictors, like the 360 C would have to. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5073 Registered: 12-2000 |
I thought it was a 348 too, but I didn't want to question Allan's "expertise". I love Ferrari and I know most models, but it's hard for me to tell the difference between a 348 and 355 from the back at distance like that. Anyone know a good way to tell? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2555 Registered: 2-2001 |
If this guy wants to see "the big one" he needs to take on an F40 or my 512TR race car. Hellll I'll take him on in my 512TR road car | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4734 Registered: 5-2001 |
You can beat a Viper with a Ford Focus if you put a novice into the Viper and a pro driver into the Focus. ...and thats all I have to say about that! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3795 Registered: 9-2001 |
Allan said "Hey you guys are right! I didnt even pay attention to the vid. I posted on the other forum to burst the guys bubble!" in other words "I was so excited about trying starting a flame war I did not even look at the video" I think that about sums it up | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 676 Registered: 8-2001 |
Allan, First off I like Vipers so don't get the wrong impression here, but a few points to consider: 1) Black Hawk Farms is hardly what I would call a world-class racetrack...more like a go-kart track. 2) I can keep up with and pass in most cases a well-driven 348 Challenge in my "lowly" 300 hp 15 year old BMW M5 Club Racer. My 355 C will absolutely annihilate a 348 Challenge. You could put Michael Andretti in the 348 and that car still wouldn't stand a chance against my 355 C. 4) Rob is actually incorrect about a first generation Viper beating a 355 C anywhere but at the drag strip. Both cars (355 C and the Viper) race against each other in SCCA Regional and National in T1 class. At Watkins Glen the track record for a 355 Challenge is a 2:04 something. The record for a race prepped T1 Viper is 2:09 something set by Jeff Altenburg (may be a second ro so faster since his record a few years ago), about 4 seconds slower. At Mid Ohio Race Track Bobby Archer did a 1:38 at last years run offs about the same as Jim McCormick's 1:38 at Mid Ohio in 1998. At Road America which is a real power track (over 3 miles long) the track record at the SCCA June Sprints set in 2001 set by Bob Shader in a Z06 T1 was 2:29. Bobby Archer (a professional Viper racer) set a 2:31 last year. Michael Loui ran a 2:28.74 in 2001 at Road America in his 355 Challenge at the Challenge Series event. At VIR International Racerway which has two humongous straights the fastest lap time for a 355 Challenge was set in 2001 by Phil Shearer at a 2:08 flat. Fastest time for a T1 Viper is 2:09 set at this years MARRS II race in May. Jesse Reed set a 2:09.992. At Summit Point raceway the T1 record is a 1:18 flat for a 355 Challenge. The Viper comes in third with a 1:21.58 and the Z06 comes in second with a 1:21.31 set this year in April at SCCA Nationals. 5) The Challenge series has never opened up for any F1 races in Europe only here in the US at Montreal and Indy. 6) They (Ferrari Challenge) are not even close to professionals. The top two or three drivers in the series have possible semi professional talent but the rest of the grid (other 20 cars) absolutely sucks. A bunch of 50-year-old fat guys with a Skippy license who couldn't cut it in any form or SCCA racing. Most of these guys have trouble getting around the parking lot at the local McDonalds let alone a racetrack. 7) That's a 348, which weighs closer to 2900 pounds and doesn't look like it's going very fast at all. Listen to the engine...doesn't sound like 8500 rpms to me. Also a 348 Challenge is nothing more than a 348 streetcar with safety equipment and a beefed up suspension. Brakes are stock and engine has maybe 15 more hp. 8) Lastly.........you said no passing in the corners so I assume this is a friendly, low key, track event or drivers school. Go to any car forum and you will see the following posts nearly every day...watch my (fill in the blank...M3, Mustang, Subaru, Corvette, 325is, blah, blah, blah) pass this 100K Viper, Ferrari, Challenge car, NSX, ...etc. Doesn't prove anything except the fact the poster is an idiot trying to boost his ego. Does anyone really think a 240 hp M3 can beat a 500+ hp Viper or 380 hp F355 at any track? People get all caught up in what car they passed without considering what DRIVER THEY PASSED. I never ever have seen a post stating "I passed Andretti in his Viper in my lowly M3". It's the driver not the car. I have seen some Vipers and Ferraris driven so slow that I could pass them in my wife's Audi Avant Wagon on snow tires. So what???? That doesn't mean diddlysquat about my Audi.just that someone in the Ferrari was driving Ms. Daisey! I hounded Charles Arnot's Daytona winning Ferrari 333SP's and Benny Ciaola's F40 LM's at Summit Point for few laps stuck to their tails (both cars have in excess of 600 hp). Doesn't prove a thing about my Challenge car except that I am faster than either of them. I can do a 1:19 at Summit about what they in their cars. I could crack 1:15 to 1:14 in those cars. I have also seen Matt Karson (F Chatter also w/ 355 C) hound Benny�s 333SP at the Glen for an entire session. A 333SP should be nearly 15-20 seconds faster at the Glen than Matt's 355 C. He simply a better driver/racer. 9) Check the video link below to see two 355 Challenge cars (mine and Rich Liebhavers) pass a Viper driven by a BSR Race instructor Mike Adams so fast we nearly peel the paint off his car. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/videos/jon355c/355chase.mpg 10) The only first generation Vipers that are faster than a 355 C, are the heavily modified 550-650 hp monsters that show up at Viperdays in unlimited class. These cars are 60-70K Vipers that have another 50-70K in upgrades and are completely stripped out. 11) THE ONLY Viper that will eat a 355 Challenge is the new Viper Club Racer, which is a true race Viper, and a damn great car. I inquired with two Dodge dealers in my area about possibly buying one of the first batch, which Dodge was selling for about $100,000. Seems the first batch of cars was already sold out by the time the car magazines featured the car (and us Ferrari owners found out about the car). Apparently Viper owners and those who run in the Viperdays club were signed up for the car before one had even been built. The next batch of cars will be sold in the 120K region and the last batch for 140K. Dodge did their homework on this car and it's truly a great race car but for 140K you can get a 360 Challenge that will only be a tick slower at most tracks. For 150k you can get a slightly used factory Porsche 996 GT3RS. While it only has about 420 hp it will annihilate either a 360 C or the new Viper racecar. At the Glen which is somewhat of a power track a T1 Viper does a 2:07-2:09, while a 355 C does a 2:05 and a 360 C does a 2:00 flat. A fully spec'd 996 GT3RS running in Grand Am does a 1:52. The new Viper racecar might be 7-9 seconds faster than a first generation T1 Viper but it ain't gonna be nearly 20 seconds faster. 12) Over one lap at a select track the new generation Viper might be able to stick with a 355 C. Maybe at Texas Motor Speedway or Road Atlanta. But with equal drivers over the course of several laps...NO WAY! The Viper (not talking about the club racer) is still a streetcar with street suspension and street brakes. The difference between a 355 C and a 355 streetcar in terms of handling and suspension are like night and day. The brakes on my car come off the 333SP, which in its sprint car form runs 720 hp and hits well over 200 mph at LeMans and Daytona. Those same brakes have run an entire 12-hour Sebring race with Indy car standout Max Papis beating the •••• out of them. The suspension in a 355 Challenge is completely different than the streetcar and is a true race suspension. Unlike the 348 it's not a matter of putting in some stiffer springs. The whole suspension was ripped out of my car when we converted it to a Challenge car. A Viper, any Viper is always going to leave a 355 (any 355) in its dust at a stop light battle. No contest there. A 355 will hit 150 mph from a dead stop in 25-27 seconds. A Viper will easily do it in 20 flat. At the track it's a different ball game though in most cases a Viper will still beat a 355 streetcar at anything other than say Black Hawk Farms or maybe Lime Rock (both small tracks). A 355 C is a different story and the only Viper that will be competitive and beat it is the new Viper racecar. I seem to recall that Carol Holdfellder won several SCCA races in a 355 Challenge beating a slew of Vipers at Mid Ohio. No trying to start a big Viper vs. Ferrari debate as both are great cars but very different. Viper is brute force with American "big block" torque thumping iron while the 355 is a high revving screaming 9000 rpm car with great handling and good tossability (not sure that's a word) through the corners. But the facts don't lie. In T1 even at power tracks like VIR and Road America the 355 Challenge beats the T1 race Viper. Note I tried to locate lap times that were run in dry weather conditions for comparisons. By the way, have you seen the new Viper Race car? Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 Flatout Racing Website: http://neverlift.homestead.com/flatout.html | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1029 Registered: 10-2001 |
You can see he's a Viper driver , cant event tell the difference between a 348 and a 355 ... And " these turned out amazing" , those videos suck . They are boring . He passes the 348 when it seems the Ferrari is going for the pits ? BTW , the 348 arent "Full race cars" , they are converted road cars .. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yup Yup...Allan,check out lamborghiniforums.com...The 288GTO in that video was really quiet at speed. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 563 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey you guys are right! I didnt even pay attention to the vid. I posted on the other forum to burst the guys bubble! | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2003 |
It is a 348...I noticed it too. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 561 Registered: 6-2002 |
Red, dont get all excited, just posted info from another forum, but your right, just be happy there werent any Lambos there to further embarass the f-cars. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 255 Registered: 9-2001 |
Correct me if I am wrong but that looks to be a 348 not a 355. Now with the 348 vs. the '03 Viper the Viper has an advantage of 200hp. | ||
| BJ (Bjkim)
Junior Member Username: Bjkim Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rob, I like this subject title. "Ferrari driver not driving like the car was meant to be driven" One must take driving school, before purchase a Ferrari. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 248 Registered: 12-2001 |
Allan..... So--Soo Sorry...Rob's Right..... But, hey...at least no Lambo's were there to pass the Viper....Right?????? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5070 Registered: 12-2000 |
No doubt in my mind a 2nd gen Viper can beat a 355 C, as a 1st gen can beat a 355 C and the new one has more hp, better handling, and can actually stop. It's obvious in the video that the driver of the 355 C isn't a racer. Compare his videos to Jon's. There's not even a rear wing on this challenge car, what else is missing besides the driver. These drivers look like they were taking a nice easy Sunday drive. Here's some more appropriate subject titles� "Viper following a Ferrari Challenge" "My leisurely drive" "Ferrari driver can't find an apex" "Ferrari driver not driving like the car was meant to be driven" | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 559 Registered: 6-2002 |
This is the website for videos: http://optelcon.com/gingerman.html | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 558 Registered: 6-2002 |
Found this on another site: Please enjoy. The web site is: challenge car kills... Please "RIGHT MOUSE CLICK the files titled... Challenge 1 and Challenge 2 and hit "Save Target As", then download and view. You will get a complete lap of Black hawk farms racetrack. The one labled "flying" is of some sweet cars and me flying by the start finish at about 135-140.. I just finished editing this video from Blackhawk. I was there on Wednesday with my old buddies from the Ferrari club who were gracious enough to let me come to the track with my "Dodge"... 1st... the cars that were there were mostly 355's, 360's a few spyders, an M5, an Aston Martin V12, a new SL55 a SWEET Ferrari GTO and two 355 Challenge cars with regular drivers... The challenge series is one where they basically travel all over the world and open for the formula one events and stuff.. Full race cars, slicks, roll cage, beefed up power, no exhaust, full slicks, stripped interior, about 2600lbs. I guess you would call them professionals as they do this for a living... They were at the track doing some testing.. The other cars mentioned were all completely toast... I was all over them like white on rice... Not even worth the upload time. The challenge car I thought would smoke me because of the slicks, aero weight and drivers... At this event, the rules are no passing in the turns however if someone is all overy your backside, you have to let them pass on the first straight. I filmed the entire lap in two sections so they would fit on my server which has a 5Meg per file maximum and they are not as high a quality as the other ones. These turned out amazing... At the end of the day... I did not have to move over once and I ended up passing every car there... In the war against the Ferarri, It looks like Dodge dropped "the big one" I am still grinning... |