| Author | Message | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2003 |
Vincent, I found that the owner of the car is not in the town till next week, so negotiation is stalled! I am restless right now!!!!!!!! I buy "Black On Black" all the time, my favorite gum. (goofy comment, sorry) I have not seen any Black on black in Ferrari yet, but I know it is available. I think it is starange that Red / tan combo is the most popular, but you see this more often than other combo. Is it because of Ferrari's image? | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 485 Registered: 4-2003 |
Way to go Adrian!!! Congrats! Yoshi, Hope it works out with the 328. I'd probably put up with you, just eventually buy one that is Black on Black.  Let me know what you think of the spider. Vincent. | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2003 |
Congrat! Adrian. NOW you are Ferrari collector! (people w/ multiple orgas...woops Ferrari - it kinda means same, if you think about it) I know what you will be doing this weekend!!! In my case, I am waiting for the dealer & broker's reply to my offer. Hope to join you in 1-2 weeks. | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Junior Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yoshi, I confirmed the 328 today. So unless something really screws up tomorrow, I expect to pick up the car then. 1989 328 GTS, open top for the short Summers we get!!! So, have you made your decision yet? | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003 |
Vincent, if I adapted you, you need to take care of me when I retired, and I will be stubborn & selfish high cost father to maintenance. I am arranging for 348 Spyder's test drive this week! Adrian, you are wonderful! Dave328, I was thinking the same. Since what I really want is Red/tan combo, my first choice was obvious. But really not sure of price & mileage issue. Oh I wish I had enough money to buy 328GTB, 348 Spyder or Mondial t...... It would solve my problem for picking my first Ferrari only if I can buy 2 at once. I want my first one to be fabulously special & unforgettable. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 571 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yoshi, As an owner of a 89 GTB I can offer a few tips. First, I would not worry about the low vs. high mileage issue. With 328's there were few bugs to begin with so a low mileage car is not likely to give much trouble. My own car had 7K on it when I bought it and there has been nothing to sort in the 5K miles I put on it so far. The 38K car still has plenty of life in it as well and could be a really good car. All other factors being equal, the red one is a better deal. I have many sales records for these and freshly serviced ret/tan cars with less than 10K on them have routinely sold in the 60-65K range. If this car has not had belt service, then you will need to spend another 3-5K on it, but would still be a good deal. If the silver car has had a recent major service then I would say it is a good deal also. If not, it should sell for a little less IMO. Looking down the road, let's say you buy the red one and put 5K a year on it for 6 years. If you can get 45K for it then, that's pretty cheap exotic car enjoyment. Put 30K more on the silver one and it will then be truly high mileage, probably be worth low 30's at best. One thing is for sure, you had better buy one because it could be a long time before another comes up. I looked 18 months for mine. GTB's seem to be gaining in popularity. I have had 3 unsolicited offers to buy mine at car shows and track events. As for 348's, here is a little anecdote to consider. I used to own a 94 TB factory challenge car (one of 32). I drove it a lot and it was a good car for me, but I always thought the handling was squirrely, just never felt good, especially on tracks, so I went "back" to a 328. After extensive seat time in both, I think the 328 has much friendlier handling. After putting 17 inch wheels and a little fatter rubber on it I can drive faster on my favorite twisty roads than I ever dared in the 348. On a local, twisty track, my corner exit speed is higher than before in the 348 though a 348 would almost certainly have faster times on a high speed track becuase of the much greater power. About ten days ago, I went to a local track. Racer/instructor Roland Linder (see May Forza for story on Roland and his F40) was there. He was familiar with my 348 and asked where it went. I told him I sold it and his unsolicited comment was that "you are much better off with this car". I am not trying to denigrate 348's here. One of my friends has one that he enjoys greatly, but he mostly likes to just cruise in it. Hope this helps Dave | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Junior Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yoshi, you have mail | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 483 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yoshi, would you consider adopting any more kids? Welcome to F-chat! I bought a high mileage 348. I really believe that if you want a car to enjoy and drive you should find one that's been driven and enjoyed. But make sure you do your research and PPI. vincent | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2003 |
Carmine, your name reminds me of a girl I dated in high school days. Thanks for your advise. I was told by several people that Ferrari w/ less than 20,000 miles, I need to pay premium, but will hold the value better. I don't know 38,000 miles is considered high or low! Originally I wanted my Ferrari in Red/Tan. After meeting silver 328GTB, she looked sharp. My problem is that these 2 car is different by $10K in price, & 32,000 miles. Red one seems to be better buy, but it may have many kinks to be straighten out. JW, my intention is to buy 12 cylindre Ferrari as the second Ferrari. I intend to keep my first Ferrari for my kids. I have 4 kids to inherit Ferrari to. This is my excuse to buy cars with my wife. TR looks great, and I stated 512TR is also what I interested. FOD had a yellow wonder 512TR, but it is sold already. Jack, thanks for trying it out. I already bought a smaller golf bag by Nike (one w/ a stand) in Red! I know my full size bag won't fit. When I go shopping, I usually go with 1 more person, and sometime, my ML320 won't take everything we bought, especially when we go to an outlet mall. I get wild in shopping few times a year! Oh, well, Ferrari is not meant for shopping car. Imagining the drive to White Bluff/Cliff for golf on coutry road, I get cheerful & excited. I did that almost every month during summer when I had P-car 911. (i also got few tickets from the same police, too) Everyone thank you!, and I hope to make a purchase in 1-2 weeks. Keep bringing these nice adivses, PLEASE! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 953 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yoshi, I laughed when you asked about the golf clubs! The first thing I did was check to see if my bag fit in the back. I have a medium-sized bag (versus the Rodney Dangerfield size), and it fits very easily, with a little room to spare. In fact, I'm often surprised when I go shopping by how many containers seem to fit exactly into the space. | ||
| J.W. Avery (Boxer12)
New member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
The #1 question you need to answer is if you want to spend the money for a 12 cyl car, because if you got the cash, there is no comparison. Remember to factor in a couple grand a year for routine maintenance and care. PS- there are a couple of very nice, very red, TR's at Denver Ferrari that are just waiting to be grabbed. Plan to spend $100K. | ||
| Carmine Nicoletta (Ncarmine)
Junior Member Username: Ncarmine Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yoshi-san, I agree with David. If you buy a low mileage car, you will pay a premium and it will depreciate faster as you pile up the miles than a higher mileage one. The 89 328GTB Silver/Black is a nice car. I have seen it many times as it�s an Austin car. I drove the 89 328GTB Red/Tan w/ 6,000 miles last year and I saw it again last weekend at FoD. The car is pristine! Remember, in general, a higher mileage car will tend to have its bugs worked out, if it was properly maintained. But then again, it won�t have the new car smell... Good luck, and let us know how you make out. Regards, Carmine | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thank you David! I have 89 328GTB Red/Tan w/ 6,000 miles for $55K, and 89 328GTB Silver/Black w/ 38,000 miles for $45K in consideration. They are both offered by the dealer, FOD. However, they won't come with a dealer warranty as they are too old. Before I read your mail, Red/Tan was better deal, I thought. However, low-mileage could mean negative, as I found out now. This sight is full of information I appreciate. I also found 348Spyder with 27,000 miles Red/Tan for $64K. But it won't fit my golf bag! All these Ferrari looks too good as I am starting to feel lost on which one to buy! (I mean this in fun way!) What do you think of these 3 cars? | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 835 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yoshi-san, A golf bag will fit, but it will be a small one. I don't think it is worth the extra money to get a low mileage "garage queen". If you intend to drive it, then get one with 30 to 40k miles on it, and as Adrian recommended, only consider cars with lot's of documentation of services to assist in verifying not only good care, but the mileage on the odometer. When I was looking, at least 50% of the cars I inquired on had "stories" about why there was several years of records missing, or no records what so ever. Don't even waste time with these people. There is way too much inventory out there to compromise. Do get an inspection from a reputable Ferrari technician, and the recommended compression and leakdown test. Carfax can has been known to give false "positives" so take that info for a grain of salt. I also had my car inspected by a body shop to ensure no major crash damage or rust. Most mechanics are not qualified to inspect for body repairs and repainting. Once you find it, drive it as often as you can. That's why you got it, right? Dave | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
Adrian, thanks for your instruction. I got hooked on computer for 3 hours reading various subjects, and they are all interesting. Like Ferrari red, people here are very passionate about Ferrari. Hope to join them soon myself ! Matter of fact, I am requesting 89 328GTB to dealers & brokers. BTW, what is CarFax etc? Craig, thanks for your advise, too. I would consider seriously if 348 spyder is available in my price range. Yes, I am anxious whether golf bag fits in 328 trunk space. I will bring a set when I test drive. Ross, appreciate your input. I owned Porche 911 & Corvette in Targa top, and they both leaked during storms in Texas. I was less careful before. If I can test drive 348, I will have more feel of a car. 328 & 355 is only Ferrari I have an experience behind a steering wheel. Jack, I am having fun in searching. I met quite few Ferrari enthusiasts on net & in person since. Everyone is so nice & friendly. Learning from people's advise like yours is one part of the fun! I WANT my Ferrari NOW! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 915 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yoshi, I've had my '87 328 for a little over a year, and it's been great. Don't obsess over the mileage. Mine came with 24K, and as you will hear, mileage is an inaccurate determinant for the quality of the car. You've pretty much run the gamut on the models that interest you. I would try and decide which model it is you like best first of all, since each one is unique. Then start narrowing your search within that model line. Also, you'll probably be better served buying a higher example of a lower model number(pristine 328 versus an iffy 348, for example). Otherwise you may get some "surprises" you hadn't hoped for! Good luck, and have fun with your search. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1247 Registered: 3-2002 |
late model(post '92) 348 is the best 'starter' ferrari. not too many technical faults, decent build quality, correct amount of power, not expensive and will hold value thru re-sale. best bet within that range is dependant on your location. sunny climes benefit most with the spider. anywhere else, then get the gtb, because the targ top on gts leaks without too many decent cures (but look thru the archives). | ||
| Craig A (Milo)
Junior Member Username: Milo Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2003 |
If you get into the $45-$60K range I wouldn't overlook the 348. It has a little more umph than the 328 with the stylings of the TR models. The 348 tends to get a bad rap but it seems that there are more questions about 328s in the Technical forum than 348s. I'm a bit baised because I'm an owner but since purchasing mine I've had a great time with it. Good luck putting golf clubs anywhere but the passenger seat. | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Junior Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2003 |
Welcome Yoshi. There's a ton of info here on all the different models, just go down to the end of the page and click "search". Type in the model number and you'll get all the archived discussions. I am new here as well, and the board was incredible help to me. I am currently deciding on my second car, and have tentatively confirmed an 89 328, all service history confirmed in beautiful condition. I had to go through a lot of soul searching before deciding that the 328 is a really great option. If the deal does not go through, I will look at other models as well. If you want, let me know and I will post my observations As far as price differences, buy the latest and best you can, regardless of models. Newer models/versions have updated and improved systems so you don't have to worry so much about repairs. In other words, if you are interested in a 328, I would recommend 1988s or 89s. The 89s usually cost more because they are seen to be the best of the version. Bottom line, whichever car you are interested in, make sure the car has service records that are verifiable, and ALWAYS pay for an independent Ferrari-qualified mechanic to do a thorough inspection, including compression and leak down test. Best money you can spend. CarFax etc will also be good insurance. Best of luck | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2003 |
I started to research on Ferrari as my next car. 1985-89 328GTB is my first choice to wet my feet with Ferrari. My question: should I buy less than 10,000 miles 328GTB with $50,000? or pay less for more mileaged 328GTB? Pricing ranges $30K to 65K, and I am sure that there is a reason, but I don't know why. Can anyone teach me anything? I would appreciate any pros & cons of 328, I am picking Ferrari with price, design, and sound. 360 & 550 are my favorite, but cannot afford it now. Other Ferraris that I am interested & within a range are 355, 456, and 512TR. 355 has a great sound while driving, and so does 512TR, but they have no extra space. 456 seems practical. I meant to drive Ferrari for weekend driving to golf, and going out. I would like to eventually run on track as I improve. |