| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2003 |
James, agreed. An excellent article from Autoweek. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1529 Registered: 10-2002 |
This week's Auto week as well. They liked it very much. LC sounds way cool. | ||
| Alon Dahan (Alon)
New member Username: Alon Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2003 |
Paul, I would like to get that scan. [email protected] | ||
| JT (Mightymagician)
Junior Member Username: Mightymagician Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2002 |
another Stradale road test article: http://www.topgear.com/servlet/tg?DEST=/content/jsp/individualRoadTest.jsp&EVENT=1010&MAKE=Ferrari:B2&MODEL=360:A5&roadTestNumber=05.html | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2002 |
it has the rear wing , you can see it in the picture bumboola posted. It is not above the tail but beneth the tail. Ferrari with this rear wing and with the longer undercarriege is claiming 50% more down force, which is quite a bit.. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 485 Registered: 6-2001 |
I saw some early pictures of the Stradale, and all had wings on the rear. Is this an option? The pictures and accompanying articles suggested that the wing was standard. I have been driving a 360 Challenge at recent track events, and I don't care how many thousands of hours Ferrari spent developing a body that creates huge downforce by virtue of it's design, these cars need rear wings if they are going to be tracked at speed. Even with the huge Pirelli slicks the rear gets wiggly sometimes-it's an easy car to upset due to the tight suspension. My 360 road car is much more forgiving on the track, although slower. IMHO the Stradale needs that rear wing. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2002 |
guys I have another article from Auto Express, Let me know the address of the ones who may want it. They all say this thing is LOUD!... Can't wait.. | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Junior Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 131 Registered: 4-2003 |
Paul, please send me that article. [email protected]. Thanks | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 74 Registered: 3-2003 |
Couple of new pics that I recieved. I think I'm in love!   | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 73 Registered: 3-2003 |
One last call: Anyone else want a scan of the Autocar test? I assume that everybody that asked for it got it ok (except Jim). | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 251 Registered: 1-2003 |
At the end of the article they state that a full test will be published complete with their impressions of the car on the roads around Maranello and on the track at Fiorano. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is it a comment based oin the factory informations or is it an actual drive on the car by Forza magazine?? Thank you for sharing | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 247 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mr Doody and others, You've got to check out the August issue of Forza! | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2002 |
to Paul, I live in San Jose, please contact me if you come down here. I totally agree with you about the torque and HP figures.. I also think that no journalist will ever be happy with the F1 gearbox. They are not used to it. In most cases they just drive it for the first time and for only 15 minutes and they have to make an expert comment on it... I am defenetly sure that the F1 gearbox is the one for the track. I took both a 6 speed 360 and a F1 360 to the track and was a 1 second faster with the F1 ( imagine the new F1 processor...) Any way I would really appreciatew if any of you guys find out any new and fresh comments on the Stradale , to please post them , thank you GM | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 696 Registered: 4-2002 |
They briefly discussed this car on a popular UK television prog last evening. They basically took the p**s out of the fact that, to have the wide stripe down the centre of the car was a �3600 + tax option (over 5K bucks). Must admit, having seen it if it were me I'd steer a wide berth around that particular option. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 63 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ferrari could have boosted the torque figure if they kept the horsepower the same, but they increased the horsepower and kept the torque the same. I know some people consider the torque figure more important, but I prefer the extra horsepower (yeah, I know horepower figures are based on torque.) The Stradale only produces more horsepower than the Modena over 6200rpm (well above the torque peak) and I always keep my car in the 6500-8500 range when I am really getting on it. Reducing the weight 240 lbs. is roughly equal to adding 20 lb-ft of torque to the engine for lower rpm acceleration purposes. I have a friend who weighs 240 lbs. and when I drop him off the car feels far quicker. There is no way the Modena and the Stradale are equal in acceleration. Figure on close to a half a second difference in 1/4 mile times with the reduced weight, additional horsepower and the quicker shift times. Gian, I may be visiting Costa Rica soon. Whereabouts do you live? | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2002 |
to Andrew, What else they (sport auto magazine) say about the car? Sounds strange that they only comments on the engine, when it is clear that the whole project of this car is around the chassis (handling, bracking, and track usability). The official data of the car already says that it has the same torque of the modena (which by the way is very similar to the GT3 284 ft. lbs of the GT3 against the 275 of the 360) Thank you for sharing the information GM | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1143 Registered: 11-2001 |
bumboola & giamma - i'm interested in any and all info on the 360CS. my email is [email protected]. i spent far too much time today hopping from bookstore to bookstore to try to find this issue of Autocar - no dice :-( tia, doody. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1039 Registered: 10-2001 |
I bought french mag sport auto , they say that there is no difference between a reg 360 and the stradale in acceleration times !!!!! and that the weak torque figure is really disapointing esp when compared to the 996 GT3 !! | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2002 |
If anybody is interested I have a Auto motor and sport article on the Stradale which is in german (I could only understand that the Stradale is 1.5 seconds slower than the Enzo in Fiorano track.) tell me and give me your e-mail. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi! Paul, I would love to get the Auto Car article, my e-mail is [email protected]. Thank you very much. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2003 |
Brian, I need an e-mail address I can send it to. The files are too big to be sent through FerrariChat. If you do not want to post it here, you can send me a private message through my profile page. Paul Sorry, cancel that. I found it. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 56 Registered: 3-2003 |
Doody, it hit the stands yesterday here in Detroit. Check your local Barnes & Nobles. Brian, I'll get that out some time over the weekend. I also posted pics and the road test from Auto Bild magazine. The German to English translation gets a little weird but you can understand it if you use your imagination! | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2001 |
anybody know when this will hit the stands in the US? the exhaust volume thing is a bummer (this from the guy who swapped his 550 tubi back to stock, though that was due to a particular headache-causing resonance more than its volume). doody. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 319 Registered: 3-2002 |
Paul, I'd love to get a scan of the Autocar article. I saw your post of the AutoExpress article and the post of the Times article... what other article did you post? Thanks!! | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2003 |
Gian, Autorcar magazine. If you like I can scan and e-mail the article to you, but give me a couple of days. I posted two articles from other magazines and another guy posted a link to the London Times article on the car. Use the search feature and you will find them. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2002 |
WOW! Where was this article? This is the first comments on the car from people outside ferrari.. Sounds good to me. Did the article said what was the best Fiorano lap time? I know the 360 Modena made a 1min 30sec...I was wondering how faster was the Stradale... | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2003 |
I am a slow typer and it would take me forever to post the whole article, so I will post a few select passages: "One thing is in no doubt: this car is extraordinarily loud. Above 4500rpm a second valve opens in the exhaust. The effect is astonishing. To roughly replicate the pitch, imagine lying in a dentist's chair: the anaesthetic hasn't worked and a drill bit has just dipped through a nerve. Every time you prod the throttle, the AAAHH is there. And now I am going to say something very Farah-trouser indeed: it's too loud. With the windows down, it is simply overpowering. You struggle to take anything else in because every nudge beyond the mid-range makes you wince." Sounds good to me! "This car is light enough to genuinely breath with the road. Its ride is very firm, and the spring and damper rates may be up 25 percent at the front and 15 percent at the rear, but low mass means you now have a very communicative front end that lets you feel every bump, every pit, every camber, and yet never skips over them." "Stradale needs revs, should be driven windows-up(crying shame), is comfortable on the road, and looks so much better than the standard car it hurts." "The brakes are going to be awesome, and yet we haven't got too much time to build up the speed tp test their power. Speedo's indicating 115mph into the first corner of the first lap and I pump the middle pedal as hard as I can. No lock-up, just neatly micro-processor controlled anti-lock allowing caliper to nibble at disc and leave me hanging in the four-point harness gasping at the power. Wow." "After the braking system the thing that really sticks in your mind is how a car with putty-compound tires, with 10 percent less roll and 20 percent less pitch can be so much more progressive than the standard car. But is is, and by a considerable margin." "A certain amount of safety-net understeer has been dialled into the chassis, but the front-end is so well tied-down that all you need do is add a nick more throttle to shift the balance back toward neutral, and a few ponies again for the car's preferred cornering posture: tiny, almost imperceptible oversteer." "After a decade of embracing GT decadence, fitted luggage and branded merchandise, this is a return to core values that easily upholds the weighty historical connections. A car so accurately conceived for its intended purpose that it would easily sustain a day's thrashing at the European circuit of your choice before slicing home with fresh brakes and rubber to spare. Until now only Porsche offered that ability." "Negatives? Until they can downshift as competently as a decent left leg/mitt combo, I'll never enjoy F1 shifts. Beyond the pain-in-the-arse noise issues, the exhaust could prove troublesome at UK track days. Ferrari says it's already looking at slightly quieter pipes for that very reason" (please no!) "And cor-blimey it's pricy." "But worth every penny boys and girls: in concept and reality the Stradale is the most interesting, capable and desirable Ferrari I have ever driven. Sell the GT2 (if, indeed, you haven't already)." |