| Author | Message | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2002 |
Arlie my point was, if a running chassis left Ferrari and was bodied and rebodied, the car is then still a Ferrari (but should be noted as its original chassis type ie. 250 ellena rebodied as...) however if a Corvette chassis left GM and was bodied by excalibur and is called an excalibur then it always will be ba****d, if GM sent a Vette chassis to Zagato and it was badged as a Vette then it is a Vette (i.e the Chassis manufacturers(sp) brand name (be it Vette Ferrari or Skoda)should always be the brand of the clothed chassis!) hope this clears things up for you, but as for the W*****s who cut up perfectly good 250 GTE's and PF coupes to be turned into Rossa Cal and GTO fakes I agree with you that these people are just idiotic possuers, you can have as much fun in a modified PF coupe as a GTO fake!! | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 45 Registered: 5-2003 |
Adrew-Phillip, thanks for the offer, but I do have the mentioned article as I am a longstanding subscriber to this prime classic car magazine. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 250 Registered: 4-2002 |
Because they can! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1199 Registered: 5-2002 |
Andrew, Here's another double standard example. I believe that Chevrolet provided the Excaliber Company with Corvette frames to be modifed for their Excaliber automobile. Since those frames were "original" Corvette frames, then those "original" frames with Excaliber bodies are to be considered "original" Corvettes, correct? That MUST be the case, because if rebodied Ferrari frames are considered "original" Ferrari automobiles, why can't rebodied Corvette frames be considered "original" Corvettes? Or original Volkswagens, or Fieros, etc??? (open can of worms, pour out contents, enjoy!) My point? The consistant rebody phenomenon is only tolerated among the hoity-toity Ferrari upper crust. If it were any other car, it would be called a hack job or a kit car!!! Would anybody in their right mind consider an Excaliber to be an original Corvette? Would anybody in their right mind consider a Bradley GT to be an original Volkswagen? NO! So why are rebodied Ferrari frames held on a high pedestal and considered to be "original" Ferraris? | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2002 |
Arlie, the zagato that I was refering to was built as such, therefore is real. According to c&sc, Hans Tanner and Doug Nye Zagato built 3 on new chassis and rebodied a fourth chassis, personaly I think that if a car's body is changed from a factory built body the car should (and normaly is) be branded as a replica/re-creation, however if the car left maranello as a rolling chasis to be clothed by an outside company and its body is changed later the change should be noted but as long as the chassis and running gear is as it left Ferrari then it should be viewed as an original Ferrari with modified coachwork, as for the VW example did VW provide bradley with a running chassis or did the cars leave VW with VW bodywork only to be modified later?, think your right about the money thing though! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1198 Registered: 5-2002 |
"is not a replica but a by the Zagato factory rebodied Ferrari, alike many old Ferraris at present carry a completely new manufactured body, whether in original style or in a different but traditional configuration." In other words, the current body is no more "original" to that particular car than a Bradley GT fiberglass body is "original" to a Volkswagen chassis. My my, there's that nasty double standard again. MY CAR has a repro body but that's OK cuz it's on a genuine old Ferrari frame, and, by the way, I'm RICH and part of the Ferrari "IN" crowd so no questions asked. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2002 |
Boudewijn, thanks for the extra photo, there was a large article (including lots of photos) on the 250 zagatos in classic and sports car last year, if you want a scanned copy drop me a line | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2003 |
0515GT as seen is not a replica but a by the Zagato factory rebodied Ferrari, alike many old Ferraris at present carry a completely new manufactured body, whether in original style or in a different but traditional configuration. The rolling chassis is exactly as it should be in this configuration. Further pictures of 0805GT are enclosed.   | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003 |
Since the 250TDF question is still open, I post another one with chassis 0805GT. What about the 'bumperettes'? Has anybody more pictures of this particular car?  | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2003 |
Of course the 250 Zagato is not what it seems to be. It's a copy of 0515GT on an Ellena body, chassis number 0757GT and lives in the Netherlands. I attach an old photo of the real Zagato  | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 43 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andrew-Phillip, I supposed to have all TDF cars in the photo archive. Now I found out I did't. I owe you, I think, a nice picture.  | ||
| J Michael Jordan (Fonce_r_cheval)
Junior Member Username: Fonce_r_cheval Post Number: 83 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thank you, Joop. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2002 |
Looks like 1309gt, Uk owned (at that time) converted to covered headlights so no chrome trim's, boudewijin I'm a little curious why you ask all these questions when you should already know the answers from barchetta.cc ? | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 35 Registered: 5-2003 |
Alas, it was a blacked out number plate from the beginning. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 382 Registered: 3-2001 |
Boudewijn, Wayne If you want to find out what the car is/VIN number try the following.... I believe you have blacked out the license plate...If you have the license number, go to www.hpicheck.com select hpi filter (its cheaper @20 GBP)...enter the license plate number, and for an address put my old one in...36A The Broadwalk, postcode GL50 1QG. The report will give you the VIN, Model & year of manufacture. This system is linked to DVLA in the UK, so its basically pulling title info.....Of course, all of this depends on whether the car has a UK license plate (can't tell from your photo) Jason | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 34 Registered: 5-2003 |
Wayne you're right, it is a hodge-podge. It was here: barchetta.cc/GT1/gallery.competizione.ab.02 | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1763 Registered: 8-2002 |
Joop: Boudewijn's photos seem to be a hodge-podge of past FOC concours events. The image of the dark-colored Lusso was taken at the 2001 event in front of Broughton Castle while the silver 275 GTB and SWB photos were clearly taken at the 2000 event at Ashby Castle, where it seems our mystery TdF was photographed as well (that's it just behind the two SWBs). I'm not sure where his photo of BB/LM 26685 was taken, but yours clearly shows the "Queen Anne House" of Cottesbrooke Hall (2002 event) in the background. The car was also present at the 2000 event at Ashby Castle, however. So, our mystery car was at the 2000 FOC Concours at Ashby Castle. Okay, which car is it? It's not 1037 GT. | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2003 |
The event was the 2002 FOC Concours, see link http://www.ferrariownersclub.co.uk/happenings/2002/june/concours_elliott.asp | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2003 |
The racing model with the rear up is 512 BB/LM chassisnr 26685. Here's another photo  | ||
| J Michael Jordan (Fonce_r_cheval)
Junior Member Username: Fonce_r_cheval Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2002 |
Boudewijn, What is the racing model with the rear up? I don't think I've seen anything quite like that. Is it even a Ferrari? | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2003 |
Wayne, here are some pictures of cars that were there at the same time.      | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1634 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>That's a great looking car. Basically a Cal Spyder with a roof.<< actually it's the other way around I believe. Calif. Spyders were TDF's without tops. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 843 Registered: 2-2002 |
That's a great looking car. Basically a Cal Spyder with a roof. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1759 Registered: 8-2002 |
Update: Looks like the photo was shot at the 2001 event, though the only TdF that I can find listed as having been present is 1035 GT. This car is not 1035 GT. I've even found a photo of 1035 GT that was taken at this event; not the same car. Could this be a replica/rebody? The mystery remains... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4381 Registered: 8-2002 |
It needs... Wait... Let me get my asbestos poncho... There we go... It needs badges...  | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 629 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dear god that thing is handsome! --Dan | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1758 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, so far I've placed the photo at an FOC concours at Broughton Castle in Oxfordshire. It doesn't appear to have been taken at the 2001 event. I think this was an earlier event (1998-9?) Still working on it! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1033 Registered: 10-2001 |
ohhhhhhh that is one gorgeous TDF !! Anymore pics ?? | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 660 Registered: 3-2002 |
I second that! | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 880 Registered: 6-2001 |
My GOD what a gorgeous car! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1755 Registered: 8-2002 |
Possibly 1309 GT? I need more info. Where in England was the photo taken and when? WM: No, this one looks like a Saab Sonnet. ;-) | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1168 Registered: 12-2001 |
Another gorgeous car. Hey, Arlie, think this one looks like a Volvo too? | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 30 Registered: 5-2003 |
By the way, this picture was taken in England. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
New member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have approx.800 TDF pictures on serial number.This is the only one I can't determine.  |