| Author | Message | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 588 Registered: 8-2002 |
Try p/n 111338 from the QV parts manual TAV 28 I checked with T Rutlands, and they do not sell m/c separate from brake booster either. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1194 Registered: 5-2001 |
So $600 gets me a new master cylinder and booster? I wonder what Fiat those things are off of? Can somebody get me a part # and I'll cross reference it? | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 219 Registered: 8-2002 |
That price of around $600 is an assembly including the brake booster, not just the master cylinder. It is recommended that you change both. Ferrari no longer offers the master cylinder as a separate unit for that reason, so that part on eBay has to be old. This came up recently in Technical thread at http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/256829.html?1054324546 Brakes are not worth screwing around with for a few hundred dollars difference. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 375 Registered: 10-2002 |
Used brake booster and master assembly on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34199&item=2417686594 This auction just expired: New 308 Master Cylinder, wanted $185. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6755&item=2417051968 Go on ebay and email "maseratisource" and I'm sure you can pick it up. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 415 Registered: 9-2002 |
$670 for a master cylinder? You have to be nuts to pay that!! Why not take it off the car and take it to the local auto parts store and match it up? I'm sure it has a part number somewere on it that they can cross referance. If that doesn't work send it out to get rebulit. I'm sure you could have it rebuilt for under $100. If I'm not mistaken I think it's ethier a Benz or and Alfa master anyway!! | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 585 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tommy: Price for complete master cylinder assembly is $670 from FoA less whatever your Ferrari Club discount is. If you're going to get one, let me know, and maybe I can work a better deal if we buy two at the same time. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1191 Registered: 5-2001 |
how much does a master cylinder cost? | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1190 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, the heater valves shut fully without leaks. This was the first thing I checked years ago and just again a couple of months ago. I believe the hot air problem is the from radiator and it blows under the spare tire well and into the cabin. I have a plan on the fix that I will post soon. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2001 |
Yeah, that was one of the early signs of my bad master cylinder, which eventually failed completely (in a safe spot fortunately). Be especially careful if you're tracking a car that does this. Mine seemed to fade and get soft on long slow stops and stops at lights. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 584 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gee, I guess I lucked out with my QV. Wipers work fine. Clutch pedal is very light now that I've put in a new clutch assembly (had been stiff when at the limit of wear and adjustment). Windows aren't bad... 38 seconds is "acceptable" for full travel. 2nd gear is much easier cold since I changed to Mobile 1 synthetic gear oil. I don't have hot air blowing in, though my stereo emanates a little heat when playing CDs. I almost always drive with the top off, and have never noticed a noise or odor problem, any worse than driving with top on and windows down. I LOVE MY 308QV. Regarding brake pedal dropping when sitting at a stoplight... I've been told that would be due to a master cylinder that's going bad, totally independent of what kind of brakes you have at the four corners. Adrian: The Brembo kit for the 308's is different than for the 348's. It's generally put on just the fronts. I haven't gone the full route as Tommy did, but I put Brembo cross drilled rotors on all four corners and went to Porterfield R4-S carbon/kevlar pads. Works great on street and track. You can get the Brembo full kit from a variety of sources, such as www.racetechnologies.com or FerrariChat sponsor www.nicksforzaferrari.com -- list price is $2500 for fronts. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 878 Registered: 5-2001 |
Some of you guys need to get your cars checked out: Tommy, the heater temp controls CAN be adjusted to fix your problem. Obviously your heater valve is not closing all the way. Maybe Peter Rychel could offer some tips? Eric, the fuse thing is an easy fix. First, get a selection of Buse brand glass fuses with the stainless steel ends, then before installing them, gently bend the tabs in a little, so they hold tighter. Don, you have an early 308, search the archives, there is an update for the early cars that changes the geometry to lighten the clutch effort. Okay, that's all folks! :-) | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Junior Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 117 Registered: 4-2003 |
Dr Tommy, What are the details of the Brembo kit? Is it an aftermarket improvement over the factory? Is the factory a Brembo as well? How much? Do you know if it is the same kit for an 89 328? Where can I find out more and buy it? Thanks | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1437 Registered: 4-2002 |
And you have extra underwear handy. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1189 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here's another quirk: Fly into a corner hard one time and then lift off the throttle and see what happens. Just be sure the road is clear, there is plenty of level run-off around you and you are alone in the car before you try this. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 849 Registered: 11-2001 |
The 308 has wipers??  | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1188 Registered: 5-2001 |
Eric - I know EXACTLY what you mean about the brake thing at a stop light! I'll be sitting there with my foot on the brake and suddenly realize I am slowly rolling backward so I have to shove harder. You have to really pay attention to pushing it down good. I'm terrified one day I will roll back into somebody. I thought that was just my car that did that. By the way before anyone chimes in on this; my brakes are fine, I even have the Brembo kit up front and it will pop your eyeballs out on the track. I just mean a slight amount of pressure at the lights. | ||
| Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member Username: Rfeaster Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thanks for all the info. I can't wait to have these problems!! | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5071 Registered: 8-2002 |
Don, I forget the reasons but I was told by Ferrari, JRV, and many other users to not use the choke. Most f-cars have them disconnected. Matt | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 147 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wow - I don't think I've ever turned my wipers on! The car has a horrendous turning radius at slow speeds so forget about U-turns and wacky parking maneuvers. It does feel heavy around town but sweet as can be 80+. Very heavy clutch that you will grow to hate in traffic. Of course, driving a Ferrari in traffic is a horrible shame anyway.  Don, why no choke on cold start? I know it's a pain in the ____ if it breaks, but mine seems to start so much better when I use it and back it off manually as it warms up.... Oh, and the visibility is really bad. My car has no passnger side outside mirror, so if I want to change lanes to the right, I have a big blind spot. So I usually just look to the right, step on it, and then change lanes, figuring I just outran anything that was in my blind spot. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hahaha This is awesome. Only Italian cars can have these many problems and make one feel "I want one!". Ron, as bad as some of these sound, it has been my limited experience behind the wheel of some that there really is no substitute. The pros easily outweigh the cons. Cheers | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5070 Registered: 8-2002 |
Don't forget the wipers.......They suck too. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2803 Registered: 12-2000 |
About second gear: It all depends on that car. Obviously Mr. Glickenhaus had a good gearbox that was treated well in its life. My gearbox is good too - I've never skipped 2nd. I run conventional 80W90 oil w. the LSD additive already in it. Shifts fine cold... I had problems before with forth, but that was due to shifter misalignment. Dr. Tommy brings up a good point with those power windows. They're painful! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 848 Registered: 11-2001 |
Might be a good idea to start curling weights...the steering takes a good bit of effort when maneuvering in and out of the garage, out of parking spaces, etc. -- anything below 5 mph. Also, the fuses / panels are rather troublesome. Had to jiggle the fuel pump fuse the other day just to get her to fire up. Passenger side view mirror is sort of a joke...does create a visual balance to the car's design. Brake pedal doesn't like to hold completely while sitting at a traffic light for any length of time. | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Member Username: Markg Post Number: 498 Registered: 2-2001 |
'82 FI 2V 308GTSi; synthetic gear oil, while waiting for warmup, I depress clutch pedal and while stationary, shift into all gears a few times. I'm told this gets the synchro's up to par; in any case NO second gear problems. Takes a while to get used to being (sitting) so low compaired to other cars (and, yes, you CAN drive under some 18 wheelers!); If you have a GTS, when top if off you will suck in every noise and odor in the area - takes a while before you realize its not YOUR car making that noise/producing that odor.... Rear view vision takes getting used to but isn't all that bad; Car feels heavy and awkward around town, but that disappears at about 85-90 mph; | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1187 Registered: 5-2001 |
They also have the silliest, stupid-assed high/ low beam switch on earth. There cannot be a worse way to design it. Period. Not to mention the constant hot air blowing on your legs nomatter how the temp switches are adjusted or whether or not the underhood foam is in place around the radiator. I almost forgot, you need to start rolling up the windows about 2-3 miles before you get where you're going so you won't have to wait after you've stopped. | ||
| Phil Bryson (Phildo)
Junior Member Username: Phildo Post Number: 122 Registered: 8-2002 |
When I first got the car (US 85 GTS QV), I wondered why it was tough (clunky is the word that comes to mind) to get into second after pulling out of the driveway. I could do it, but it was not at all smooth. I saw the aforementioned thread and tried 1st to 3rd for the first few miles. The car then slides into second like silk. I also get the same smooth shift if I let the car warm at idle for about 5 minutes. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 373 Registered: 10-2002 |
I, too, am a 1st->3rd->5th shifter until oil warms up. I can get 2nd easily though, even when cold--just a little notchy, that's all. The problem varies widely in severity across the 308 line, even among different examples of the same year, etc. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1487 Registered: 10-2002 |
10/4 GB | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Senior Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 5065 Registered: 8-2002 |
78 308 carb Turn car on for 15 sec's to fill the carb with fuel then turn on engine. Warm up for 5 minutes. No shifting into 2nd or 4th until oil temp up. No choke. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1486 Registered: 10-2002 |
Don I always idle, with clutch out, for a bit before starting out in very cold conditions. Never had a problem getting 2nd. Others? | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 95 Registered: 1-2002 |
In my 3.2 Mondial, the shifter won't go into second easily (or at all) when it's cold. When it warms up, no problem. So, for the first few minutes I usually skip second until it feels like it will go in smoothly. In the 365 2+2, it always shifts fine, so I don't worry about it. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 145 Registered: 6-2001 |
I only skip 2nd (and 4th) on a cold start to keep the revs down while the car warms up. No other need to do so, at least on my car (1978 308GTS). | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1485 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ron Having driven F cars more than 270,000 miles IMHO the best course of action is to warm them up and then drive the piss out of them. Never skipped 2nd, never will. | ||
| Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member Username: Rfeaster Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
Heres a thread about skipping 2nd gear. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/2417.html#POST13092 | ||
| Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member Username: Rfeaster Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2003 |
I can't remember the thread, but I think it had somethingto do with the syncronizers(SP)..maybe. They indicated that you had to let the gearbox warm up first before using 2nd gear. I'll try to find the thread and link it here. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1484 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ron I bought a 308 new and drove it 85,000 miles in rain,sleet and snow. Never skipped 2nd. Never changed a clutch. Why would you skip second? | ||
| Ron Feaster (Rfeaster)
New member Username: Rfeaster Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
I don't own a Ferrari, but I hope that changes in the very near future. I have noticed that there are a few things to know when driving a 308 (maybe others also). One example is shifting from 1st to 3rd until things warm up. Are there any other issues like this concerning a 308 that I need to know about?? Thanks in advance for any responses, Ron |