| Author | Message | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2003 |
It is not my intention to make things more complicated, but in the attached photo one can discover that probably both 408's had their own engine. Then the red one (series I) has open headlights, thus different from those on the picture I sent the other day. So I'll post a photo of that as well. The enigma expands... BTW the aluminium frame in the middle was made by TVSA which stands for "Technique de v�hicule � structure d'aluminium". I'm awaiting additional information....  the headlight  | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2003 |
I'm sure the cars were put together from each other and are a display of the Ferrari parts bin. The aluminum extrusions on the front suspension are incredible. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2818 Registered: 12-2000 |
Maybe the reason for the two serial numbers is because the display car is made up from the two prototypes that were built(?)... | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 264 Registered: 8-2002 |
here is a pic wheel the steering wheel s/n is normally place.  this is the layout of the front area (hood or bonnet -what ever your preference would be).  | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 263 Registered: 8-2002 |
here are the 408 engine pics that show the top of the engine and the two serial numbers that are attached to the car. there is no serial number that i could tell above the steering wheel, although there is a place for one.    | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1796 Registered: 8-2002 |
Joop, those look like very professional photographs. If you don't mind me asking, what was the source? This is the first I've seen of them. Gerald, very interesting! Any idea why? | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 262 Registered: 8-2002 |
gerald, i have photos of this as i thought it odd that the car had 2 serial numbers. do you know why? | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 74 Registered: 5-2003 |
You can't read them in this picture from William Speer but there are two (2) serial numbers on this car. The one on plate on the chassis crossmember just to the rear of the engine reads ZFFB37X0h0070183 and the one on the left side of the rear bulkhead reads ZFFBX37X0K0078610! These were observed and photographed on June 6, 1997. Unfortunately the photos are too indistinct to reproduce here.  | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2003 |
I've got 3 more images of 408 series 1 I'd like to share with you. They show the raised spoiler and the inside. Have fun!    | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2817 Registered: 12-2000 |
Joop, from what I know about this model, that Red one was the first one (using the stainless steel chassis) and the yellow one was the second built (using the aluminum chassis)... Yes, I'd take either...  | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 177 Registered: 2-2003 |
Joop - Great pictures! Never seen those before. Peter - perhaps you are right on the transverse 3.4. Interesting that this does not look to be a Bosch Motronic as on the 348s, but rather seems a Weber Marelli unit with distributors. The throttle body does look a bit larger than my 3.2. My only other thought was that it was a racing/rally variant qv. In addition, I wonder if 3.4 or 3.5 liter sleeves and pistons would fit a qv or 3.2? Hmmmmm....... | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well, this is all about 408 series II, but there was - as one might guess - also a series I. I post two pictures of that car as well. Note the differences in front and rear lights. I agree with Peter's opinion, but I'd prefer to own both of them...   | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2816 Registered: 12-2000 |
I guess I'm in the minority, since I've always liked the 408 and would love to have it... | ||
| DJParks (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 281 Registered: 2-2003 |
The back end looks like a Subaru XT6 Glad they didn't build it. DJ | ||
| IJVPF355 (Ijvpet)
New member Username: Ijvpet Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2002 |
Very NSX like isin't it. This car was shown a few years before the NSX came out. Could the style be more than just a coincedence? | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
New member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2003 |
What about two pictures of the engine when it still was clothed....   | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2814 Registered: 12-2000 |
Russ, it could have been a proposal to replace the then-current 328 engine (and after seeing this, they changed their minds to a longitudinally [sp?] -placed 3.4 litre V-8). Although, if they have an extra one, or two lying around the factory, I wouldn't mind dropping one in my GT4! | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 173 Registered: 2-2003 |
William and Peter Thanks for the info and pics!! Interesting that 408 has the longer cross ram intake runners like a Thema 3.2 - I guess for torque lower down. Well so the engine I have a picture of is a transverse V-8 with EFI, air intake from LEFT side, and a distributor ignition. My guess places this in the late 80s, but do not know what car it is associated with. I now think that is an rotary A/C pump in an atypical low mount, suggesting a road car. Any ideas? I'd sure like to get one of those factory qv EFI manifolds. | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 260 Registered: 8-2002 |
here are several pics of the 408 engine that was in the yellow 408 prototype. this engine appears to be different than the earlier posted picture.    | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2809 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, it certainly doesn't look like the one in the 4WD prototype. Here are specs for the prototype's motor:
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| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 259 Registered: 8-2002 |
the 408 motor says 408 on the type. i have several pics of the 408 that i took at the ferrari museum a couple of weeks ago that i will try to post this evening. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2808 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, it certainly doesn't look like the one in the 4WD prototype. Here are specs for the prototype's motor:  | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 172 Registered: 2-2003 |
obtw - this info came from an older Rosso Ferrari stating this was a 4wd prototype - but looks like std transmission case. Note what also looks like a ps pump on a transverse engine. thanks rt | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 171 Registered: 2-2003 |
The below illustrated engine, on display in Maranello, is said to have been from the Ferrari 408. Can anyone verify and/or fill in the technical details/specs or refer to a source? Many thanks!  |