| Author | Message | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 488 Registered: 11-2002 |
I concurr Lawrence, I would definitely check a car out with this board before spending the cash. It is amazing what history you could find out! Pete ps. ... interesting but stupid attempt at fraud, they must think that all Ferrari enthusiasts are stupid. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 228 Registered: 8-2002 |
Man, I'll definitely consult you guys first before I get my next F-car. I thought the low starting bid was a little fishy plus at no reserve. | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
New member Username: Trhall Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2003 |
Yes he listed serial # 4137GT the last one built. It looked like he got the pictures from barchetta.cc | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1799 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gerald, the "after" photos were photos of 4121 GT lifted directly from Fantasy Junction's site here: http://www.fantasyjunction.com/search.php?dd=www.fantasyjunction.com:auto:FJ938 I don't remember if the "seller" had a serial number listed or not. | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2003 |
I never got to see the photos before the listing was removed. Was there a serial number mentioned? From the posts here it appears that the before and after photos were not even of the same car! So did the car being offered even exist? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 850 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh, and as far as originality, it does look like the owner went the altered route. I can't imagine reversing the procedure and revert it back to original would be too much of a hassle, would it? I know carbs can get finicky and all but... Cheers | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1797 Registered: 8-2002 |
PSK, the photos were of different cars. The listing was bogus. It has now been removed from eBay. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 849 Registered: 11-2002 |
Pete, That's what I was referring to in my post. I have seen people do that. They have velocity stacks for show but can bolt on the cleaners when they actually have to drive them. Not sure what carb settings they have (probably air filter, not stacks). Cheers | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 487 Registered: 11-2002 |
Gerald, Well that would be different then. But in this case we were shown a car supposeably BEFORE restoration with an aircleaner and then AFTER with trombettes, thus not original. Plus it was part of the 80s bad taste to throw these on old Ferraris ... The funny thing is that you can actually add these velocity stacks INSIDE many aircleaners and they work just as well ... as they are designed to suck air is from around the stack not above it. Study K&N airfilters, most designed for stacks and they are only about 10-20mm taller. You might even be able to fit them in the original aircleaner? Pete | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2003 |
On the subject of air cleaner vs velocity stacks--while there are valid arguments against their use originality is NOT one of them! Many 250 GT SWB Spyder Californias came from the factory with velocity stacks (noted on the Assembly Data Sheets as "trombette"), as did many other cars. The only way to definitively state that stacks or an air cleaner are "correct" and "original" for any individual Ferrari is to have the Assembly Data Sheets for that car. The factory was aware of that the cars with velocity stacks and the cars with air cleaners required different carburetor jetting and this is reflected on the Assembly Data Sheets. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 828 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think the air cleaners were removed to make it look cool. Then again they should have probably included a picture with the air cleaner too. I've seen a lot of people remove them for show though, it's not really unusual. What do you think? Maybe? Cheers | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 484 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tyson, Had not noticed that ... could be a scam. I personally would not use eBay to sell a vehicle of that value! Anyway back to the trumpets or velocity stacks. I have used them minus aircleaners in the past, and can tell you that your combustion chamber and tops of pistons end up looking like a steak after the tendering hammer has done its work. Might look great, and gain 2hp, but not worth the engine wear ... even modern F1 cars have aircleaners! If I was rebuilding a $40,000 US motor I would want to look after it not wear it out. Even if I owned a 250GTO I would put sock or K&N aircleaners over the trumpets ... except for shows  Pete | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
New member Username: Trhall Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
That listing is more than likely a scam. The first set of pictures (before restoration) are of 4121GT wich is currently being offered at Fantasy Junction. He even used their pictures check out their website.Notice the open headlights and black interior. Anyone who sells a 1.6 million dollar car would at least leave a phone number. What do you guys think? This is my first post I have really enjoyed this site. | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 511 Registered: 4-2003 |
here's another restored car. The owner, a collector, says it's one he drives most often.   | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 666 Registered: 3-2002 |
Good eye PSk. Makes you wonder why someone would do that after spending all the money to "restore" it. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 483 Registered: 11-2002 |
Whats with the carb trumpets. That is totally stupid on a car like this where originality is so important to its end value. This makes me wonder what else has been played with. The other thing is the motor will wear real fast with the boy racer inlet trumpets on it as there is no air filter. Plus the jetting will be all wrong ... I thought we had matured past these tart them up and sell them days. Nice car, but put the f**king air cleaner back on, son. Pete | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 174 Registered: 4-2003 |
That's a beautiful car! | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 225 Registered: 8-2002 |
I thought the starting bid was kinda low. But she sure is gorgeous especially the two-tone paint!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2418250564 |