| Author | Message | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 682 Registered: 9-2002 |
Fair enough. WHy compromise?  --Dan | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1086 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dan , i dont , that s why beside my Enzo , i plan to have a 355 Spider *dreaming* | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2003 |
After having looked over a local owners 288GTO at this weekends club meeting, I have to say it is one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen. I may have to move the Boxer off my wish list. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 678 Registered: 9-2002 |
Andrew, Do not discredit the joys of open-top motoring! --Dan | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1073 Registered: 10-2001 |
The only thing the F50 has on the Enzo is a better sound . I still love the F50 though | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2001 |
For me, it ranks like this for the various categories: Acceleration Performance = ENZO Braking Performance = ENZO Handling Performance = ENZO Engine Sound = F50 Bang for your buck = F40 Interior refinement = ENZO Comfort = ENZO Which I'd want most = ENZO Which I'd DRIVE most = F50 (I hate paddles!) | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 241 Registered: 1-2003 |
this is a coincidence. last night I had a dream that i was driving an F50. no joke. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1288 Registered: 8-2001 |
Frank, I've never read or disputed Enzo's "All Ferraris should be V12 front engined" statement. He may or may not have said it and I'll leave it at that. But what I posted earlier about the F40-Enzo connection were from what I've read. | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
New member Username: Teflon Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2003 |
Frank, what is the environment like on your planet? Greg | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4479 Registered: 8-2002 |
i don't know about the numbers or how the two compare but the F50 is a very beautiful car... Has a really bad-ass look to it, i can't imagine what it looks like on the street, coming up behind you, menacing the very glass that composes your rear view mirror... The Enzo, however... Well... Hands down, this is the most beautiful and exotic car ever made... In my opinion, of course... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2367 Registered: 9-2001 |
I find it queer how when one refers to Ferrari's history and Enzo's statements that all Ferrari road cars should have 12 cylinder engines or that Ferraris should be front engined cars some claim that that is old school or that Ferrari has changed its idea of what a proper Ferrari is, yet those same folks will acknowledge the history of an Enzo connection when it fits in their particular view of the Ferrari world. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 324 Registered: 3-2002 |
When it comes to looks... There seem to be two groups... those who love the straighter lines of the 3x8 cars over the 360... and the reverse group. The 3x8 lovers tend to pick the 288GTO or the F40 as the ultimate. The 360 lovers tend to pick the F50 or the P3/P4 as the ultimate. The lines on the 360 are *very* reminiscent of the lines on the F50. I am a 360 / F50 / P3 / P4 lover... but before the F50 and the Mclaren F1, the F40 was my ultimate car! Not sure what group the Enzo's looks will appeal to... perhaps those that think of F1 rather than roadcars when they hear "Ferrari"? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1287 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beside being a raw supercar, there's also a historical perspective to the F40. Old man Enzo wanted a street legal race car similar to his 250GTO, 250GT SWB, and others. So for the company's 40th anniversary, they came up with the F40. The F40 would be one of the last cars that's connected in some way to Enzo himself. The car can be tuned to generate enormous amount of power. Everything else in the car can be tweaked or modified. The F40 was the only Ferrari supercar that was raced. Some against the McLaren F1. Man, I really want one! | ||
| Chris Burch (Cyb)
New member Username: Cyb Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2003 |
And Marcus knows from experience! | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 446 Registered: 4-2002 |
I agree with David S., the F-40 is just pure and simple-Awesome styling and performance! | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
New member Username: Teflon Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
Kenny, "Road and Track" had an article on the U.S. F40 around twelve years ago and it mentioned the reason for the increased power. The article stated that Ferrari had to redesign the fuel injectors to improve emissions and by so doing, they claim it raised the power. I don't know if this is true or not. Unfortunately, I can no longer find that particular article either. Greg | ||
| Chris Burch (Cyb)
New member Username: Cyb Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2003 |
Paul, With those cars on your profile: Anytime your in Dallas, we're going for a ride. Your driving! | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Junior Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 239 Registered: 1-2003 |
give me the keys to an F40, F50 and Enzo and I promise to do a thorough evaluation. anyone want to help? | ||
| Chris Burch (Cyb)
New member Username: Cyb Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2003 |
Steve, you really have to drive an F40 to "get it" It's a little rough, crude, loud, and somewhat non linear in the power delivery. When the turbos kick in at about 4,000rpm, you better have both hands on the wheel. It's definately a 'drivers car'. It is an incredibally capable supercar in capable hands. It's never boring..you must be on your best game to get big performance out of it. A lessor driver would be much better suited to extract good numbers out of an F50 or especially the Enzo. Most of all it's THE FUN FACTOR! Hope this helps | ||
| Steve (I_love_ferraris)
New member Username: I_love_ferraris Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2003 |
I don't really see why everyone likes the F-40. I find that it is to square. Not like other Ferrari's where they are nice and rounded. Maybe there is something about that car that you have to be around to get it. I don't know. If so can someone tell me what is it about the F-40 that makes everyone loves so much? | ||
| Michael Green (Michaelg)
New member Username: Michaelg Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2003 |
I saw this thread title and immediately thought- what about the F40? Then after reading thread comments I find that I'm far from alone in thinking this. Haven't driven F50, or Enzo. Checked out an Enzo today including listening to it idleing (sp?) in the shop. Yellow. Big seller. I think it looks best in black, think the F50 looks much better, and I'm a seller of the F50 too (no offense). F40 is thoroughbred racer, have thrashed the pants off one around Europe, and I can clearly state that nothing that I have driven has come close to that experience. I'm not denying that maybe both the Enzo and F50 will beat the F40 around a track , but ask any very experienced driver what car he'd like to do a few hard laps in (assuming he had driven them all already), I think you'd find that age is beauty here. Check any serious car mag too, most are comparing the Enzo against the F40 not the 50, despite the glaring engine differentials. It's all about how much you enjoy getting from point A to point B, not necessarily how quick. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1526 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mark I agree in person the Enzo is very special. It looks and feels almost like a fighter jet. Above 4000rpm it sounds fantastic. The only supercars that IMHO will be in the same league are/will be the McLaren F1, the New VW/ Bugatti, and the new P supercar. Best Jim | ||
| Chris Burch (Cyb)
New member Username: Cyb Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2003 |
To Kenny, Willis and Mitch, My sentiments exactly, the F-40 is the all time "hot rod" Ferrari. I recently got my F-40 back from some moderate performance tweeking. It's simply unbelieveable. I'm now 'rumbling' the back tires regularly at over 100mph. No BS! Additionally, the car really plants at 130+. I've owned/driven most everything exotic and there is really nothing out there that I have experenced that will give you the 'grin/white nuckle/fun effect' as high as the F40. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 109 Registered: 4-2002 |
Having seen the Enzo at various stages of assembly on the production line in February, I found it far more impressive in person than in pictures. The car is simply amazing. I also watched them test a couple at Fiorano and the acceleration out of the hairpin turn onto the front straight was mind blowing for a street car. I watched it just before the F2003GA came out on track and I can tell you that its acceleration was not the same of course but VERY impressive. The latest Road and Track test showed 0-60 in 3.28 secs, 1/4 mile in 11.1 @133mph. Those numbers easily trounced the US spec McLaren they tested before. It was 8mph faster than the McLaren at the 1/4 mile point. As they ended their article they stated that Ferrari had entered another realm with the Enzo where the rest of the world has yet to catch up.....That pretty much sums that car up. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2001 |
i had my f50 right next to an enzo last week at Ferrari of Seattle. Forgetting performance a moment, the outside styling of the f50 i feel is much nicer than the enzo. the interior on the enzo, especialy the drivers panel (even though i can't say i am a big paddle shift fan) are much nicer in the enzo than in the f50. i was really surprised to see that they are almost as wide as each other though and the rear tires are pretty far back on the enzo. however, you can't take the top of the enzo off like you can with the f50. Actually, you can't do that on the f40 either. The f40 doesnt really come into class imho with the enzo or f50 because is a a v8 and it's turbo'd. call it more racecar or whatever, i don't care. but that's like saying the subaru wrx sti is better than a dodge intrepid. Ultimately, i feel like the f50 is a car in itself that isn't really like any of the other ferrari's while the styling of the enzo gives me thoughts of a super tuned 360. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1178 Registered: 10-2002 |
actually the numbers in Car and Driver are rather flattering | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
New member Username: Kenny Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2001 |
The F50 engine is a de-tuned version of the 1989-1990 Ferrari F1 car.. I wonder why Ferrari didnt opt for a detuned version of the late 90's version of the V10 F1 engines they used on the Enzo. | ||
| JT (Mightymagician)
Junior Member Username: Mightymagician Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2002 |
looking at all of the details on the enzo, it seem its purpose is to incorporate as much F1 technology as possible into a road car. The current issue of Top Gear reports they were having trouble getting an enzo's 0-60 under 4 sec. i cant remembr about the 0-100. | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
New member Username: Kenny Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have heard from many sources that the F-40 is actually the performance equivalent or can outrun the F50 in certain instances. The official HP figures on the F40 was rated at 478hp, but Ferrari was able to extract additional horsepower somehow in the US models where it was typical for US F40's to run upto 515HP on the dyno.. The twin turbo 2.9 litre engine in the F40 is more easily tweaked than the normally aspirated 4.7 litre V12 on the F50.. Someone who works for FNA last year told me the objective of the Enzo was not to be the fastest car top speed wise, but be the first supercar to reach 100mph in 6 seconds or less... All the road tests I have read though have not matched those figures as of yet.. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 266 Registered: 1-2003 |
There have been no pictures amature or professional that can captivate the true lines and form of the Enzo. Having seen the unveiling at the Cavalino Classic this last Jan and seeing F-50 near by gave me a good platform to compare the two. The styling of the Enzo took me a little time to adjust to. Both are super cars! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1284 Registered: 8-2001 |
Depend on what you mean by better. Visually, the F50 looks gracefully agressive. But the Enzo looks more aggressive and purposeful (way better in person than in photos). Performance wise, Enzo would beat the F50. But the ultimate Ferrari I want is the F40. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 390 Registered: 10-2002 |
Both are great cars and the styling is just a matter of opinion. Generally I have noticed people have taken time to get used to the Enzo design. I love both cars and they both are capable of amazing numbers but I have to say the Enzo having the latest technology is better. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 733 Registered: 4-2002 |
In my (considered) opinion; Looks-wise, the F40 is still king of the roadable Ferrari supercars. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 265 Registered: 1-2003 |
Check out the Road and Track issue on the Enzo. I believe the Enzo will out perform the F-50, but at those numbers where will you see it. I prefer the looks of the F-50 slightly. | ||
| Steve (I_love_ferraris)
New member Username: I_love_ferraris Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2003 |
I am a big fan of the F-50. I just found out about a month ago that a new F1 is out. F-60 or the Enzo. Right now I am not sure which is better because I have not looked into the Enzo much yet. Which do you like better? |