| Author | Message | ||
| Steve Burns (Sjb509)
New member Username: Sjb509 Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2003 |
It seems to me that the future value (premium or deduction) for the F1 system versus the stick is mainly dependant on the reliability/servicing costs of the two systems, as earlier posts have indicated. All things being equal, my personal preference would be for the F1. Are there any special maintenance issues with the F1? Now that they have been around for a few years, are there any weaknesses inherit in the design that has been discovered? I've not heard of any special issues with failures of the F1, but then again I am new to this board. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 579 Registered: 2-2003 |
The thing about "nostalgia" cars is, I believe the buyer pool is trimed down like it is for an off-color Ferrari, or any other car. You will have to find the buyer to want it, when a majority are buying and have accepted F1 for the last 10, 20, or 30 years. Premium or no, F1 is here to stay especially as the tech advances and its the F1's that may eventually determine the market price with 6-speeds above or below it. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 591 Registered: 1-2002 |
Quote from local Ferrari sales manager.. "When 360's first came out, you could not give away a stick. Now the premium is almost gone." Many people order F1's not because they want it, but because they think resale will be better. Right now, if you have a 360 with a stick, you will get a higher percentage back than F1. The future? Who knows. I am rooting for sticks, since I have one on order! Dave | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1554 Registered: 10-2002 |
Malcolm Similar cost to what I found. Best | ||
| Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
New member Username: Malcolmb Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2002 |
I drove a 1995 456 GT 22000 miles in about three years, selling with 30000 miles on the clock. I added up the costs one day.Operating costs were about $3.00 per mile, ownership costs were about $5.00 per mile. If you dicount the cost of the 30000 mile service done about a week before I sold it, say $2.50 and $4.50 per mile. Allservices done by dealers or good shops, ie; I didnt do any work myself. It is worth it to me, but I try not to kid myself too much. Current 456M seems to be less maintenence intensive, maybe I will add it up someday.Of course depreciation is the big ticket here, but maintenance is not insignificant. | ||
| Steve M (Steve308gtsi)
Junior Member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 86 Registered: 5-2002 |
No offense to anyone but I would much rather have the 6speed over the F1. A friend of mine has the 360F1 and I don't have much fun driving it. It reminds me of the old Porsche Sportamatic. I feel the manuals will bring in more money in the long run. | ||
| John_Miles (John_miles)
Junior Member Username: John_miles Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ernesto is correct. In 10 years, the F1 models will still bring a premium over the manuals. However, in 30-40 years, the manuals will win big-time. They will still be serviceable, and they will carry the cachet of a "driver's car." There's not much potential for nostalgia in a car that, as Frank suggests, "bangs your (S.O.) for you." Currently, how much does a Valeo-equipped Mondial bring over an equivalent 5-speed? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1526 Registered: 2-2001 |
In 10 years people will be asking what the hell that ancient contraption in the manual Ferraris is. F1 is the way to go... Ernesto | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 640 Registered: 9-2001 |
Damn Frank, we finally agree on something, I still think the F1 vs the 6 speed ( Willis, just using market terms ) is going to be a major pain on resale value. We could be talking $1 mi just to maintain the F1 system down the road. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2385 Registered: 9-2001 |
I agree that the 6 speed manual is the way to go on a road car. IMHO driving an auto or F1 car is like paying someone to bang your wife....it gets the job done but is not nearly as much fun as doing it yourself ! | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 269 Registered: 1-2003 |
David McGee- If you are ever in Indy and it's not raining, not going to rain and hasn't rained I'll take you for a ride. | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2003 |
James, I was just explaining something those lines to my wife. She is still not past the "price" of a Ferrari. I tell her, "Jennifer, the price you pay for the car is not the most expensive part of owning. You will get much of that back when you sell it." I had decided on about $1 mile just for maintenence (driven 3-5k annually). Plus gas, insurance. I guess it's good that this 21 year old can't afford a Ferrari, because it would lose part of it's mystique if anyone could have one. But I wish I could at least RIDE in one! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1550 Registered: 10-2002 |
In 1988 I bought a TR. I drove it 115,000 miles. After 14 years the chassis began to rust. I sold it for $23,000. This is the real world. If you use these cars they will need a total restoration in about 15 years. The cost of a total restoration in all but a very few cases will exceed their value. Along the way all in: Purchase, insurance, service, etc. I think you will spend at least $2. per mile. If you drive less as much as $3 per mile. Others? | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 398 Registered: 6-2002 |
Electronic throttle is easy. If it ever goes, just replace pedal assy. Done. Nothing else should break  (fameous last words!) F1 system on the other hand is going to be a PAIN IN THE ARSE in 20 years. F1 cars will be much more depressed in value because of this. They will still be bought and driven but it will be more expensive to do so. Best! Ben | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 637 Registered: 9-2001 |
I'm just comparing to the 850 BMW, a tech showcase at the time, now a maintenence nightmare. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 870 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think they'll probably be widely accepted. Just like carbs and FI. You can't stop technology and if automotive innovation goes at the rate it's going now all this stuff will be archaic in fifty years. Scary... Cheers | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1298 Registered: 8-2001 |
The manual shifting 360 (F1 is also a 6-speed)is rarer too. But in either case, there's the drive-by-wire throttle you have to contend with. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 635 Registered: 9-2001 |
What's the call on this, assuming a 360 will sell for 40/60 in that time frame will the cost of repairs on the F1 system make it totally out of reach. ECU upgrade and clutch now goes for 6/7, in 10 years that might 20, or will Ferrari have made great improvements to ease the repair costs. Unless things change a lot there is no way these can be repaired at home. At least the 6 speed is a more easily repaired unit. 308 carb owner |