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Omar (Auraraptor)
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Post Number: 674
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 2:17 am:   

For turbo engines less is better so I hear.
Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
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Username: Fvellani

Post Number: 76
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 1:48 am:   

What are the advantages/disadvantages of 3 valves (ie Mercedes) vs. 4 valves vs. 5 valves?
Armen Gugasian (Ag512bbi)
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 9:22 pm:   

I just bought the Road & Track today. I quickly went through the pages. WOW is right!!! Also, I picked up the new Car and Driver. It has the Enzo, Lambo, Saleen, Ford Gt40 on the cover. I'll be going through that tonite. FERRARI IS #1!!!!!!
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Post Number: 743
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 10:22 am:   

"I wonder why they didn't go for 5 valves a cylinder like in the V8 cars."

Just after the return from the turbo-era, Ferrari tried the 5-valve arrangement in the F1 motors and did not end up with either a wider powerband nor a higher horse power peak. So the F1 motors reverted back to 4-valve layouts.

Honda did not need 5-valves to get 240 HP out of 2.0 litres!

There was a conversation in the group last week about allowing the F355/F360 motors to idle for a few minutes after a good thrash on the race track because so much of the heat generated in the heads is removed by oil, and a couple of minutes idling allows the oil to cool the head and NOT get itself (the oil) cooked into goo.

It is my opinion that once you go with a pyrimidial valve arrangement and compact combustion chamber, that some of the penalties (of using 5-valves over 4-valves) add up faster then the benefits.
Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
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Username: Arizonaguy

Post Number: 187
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 1:08 pm:   

I wonder why they didn't go for 5 valves a cylinder like in the V8 cars.
Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
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Username: Kid_enzoz

Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 3:33 am:   

4 cams... 2 cams per bank... 4 valves per cylinder... 48 vavles.
Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
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Username: Arizonaguy

Post Number: 186
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 2:43 am:   

Just how many camshafts and valves does the Enzo have?
Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
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Username: Kid_enzoz

Post Number: 48
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 1:48 am:   

If there is one modern car I'd take over James' collection (save the P4 of course ;) ) it would be the Enzo Ferrari... Fastest to 100mph, .25 mile and salom is one thing... but the tech of the car is just so fasninating to me. How much downforce it makes. A 6000cc motor with a dozen pistons a ton of valves, almost as many camshafts as your hand has fingers, and a redline that's to die for... Don't get me started on the suspension, brakes, and tires... and hey, those wheels look nice too. :-)
stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
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Post Number: 305
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:34 pm:   

Just finished the article and was a little surprised that they conclude that "the myth that a super sports car with exceptional performance cannot be civilized at the same time has been broken" by the Enzo. Actually, it was broken long ago by the Porsche 959, and then again by the McClaren F1. Great article regardless. Mr. Losee is a true Ferrari enthusiast. Hats off to him!
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Username: Artherd

Post Number: 407
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:22 pm:   

<Ben immediately books a flight to Nebraska and buys a hige metal detector>

Wait, you weren'ty pulling my leg, right?

PS: those GTI racers can haul tail. I have similar respect for the S2000 track guys out here. It's a great cheap(ish) fun track car. Lap record holder for Sears Point too.

Best!
Ben...
Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member
Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 1802
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 9:20 am:   

Arlie, LOL! Got any WMD's hidden there, too?

:-)
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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Username: 4re308

Post Number: 895
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 10:49 pm:   

Hey cool! I have 2 VW GTIs!
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Username: Arlie

Post Number: 1247
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 10:08 pm:   

Dave, I used an alias for those articles. I keep all my Ferraris in an underground missle silo somewhere under the wheatfields of Nebraska. Wish I could find it again. All those wheatfields look alike after a while. But I'll keep looking.

James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Username: Napolis

Post Number: 1559
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 9:49 pm:   

John
Unlike Allan you get it...
john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
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Username: Johnhoughtaling

Post Number: 148
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 9:44 pm:   

I think that makes him a real hardcore racer in my book and rightful owner of the Enzo. So far our local Ferrari club members own 8 identically prepared ITA CRXsi club racers (the newer GTI racer). A great way to go club har core club racing with little expense. I like this guy!
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Username: Napolis

Post Number: 1557
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 9:23 pm:   

Notice what car he races?
VW Golf GTI.
Dave (Maranelloman)
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Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 1799
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 9:02 pm:   

...but I was very surprised that the owner would (a) allow himself to be identified by name & town, and (b) allow himself to be photographed. Same with the Enzo article in Car & Driver (different car & owner). These days, when you are at that wealth level, a lower profile is probably better, for security reasons. IMO, of course.
David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
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Username: Racerdj

Post Number: 275
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:59 pm:   

I just finished reading the article was very impressed with it. I am more impressed with the owner giving up 1500 miles to let the world know about the car's performance.
Jason Williams (Pristines4)
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Username: Pristines4

Post Number: 361
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:30 pm:   

Either of you guys feel like being a mentor?

;-)
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Username: Napolis

Post Number: 1556
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:28 pm:   

A man of wealth and taste...
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 1218
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:25 pm:   

Yep, and did you grock on the owner's favorite other ferrari? HMMM.Driving on public roads at speed. Do you get there via Salt Lake City?
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Username: Napolis

Post Number: 1555
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 8:01 pm:   

As our very own Sean Harris predicted this months R&T has a 1200 mile road test of the Enzo by Phil Hill. Simply it is the fastest 0-60,0-100, 1/4 mile, and through the Salom EVER. It's top speed at 218 is only 5mph slower than my 30 year old MK-IV ;).

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