| Author | Message | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2003 |
Paul I'm leaning toward black over beige int. | ||
| robert di meglio (Robdimeglio)
New member Username: Robdimeglio Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2002 |
dan, i agree with your comments 100%. at any track event i guarantee that the stradale will be the object of lust for all those in attendence. i have seen the car in person ands believe me it looks fabulous. even nearby 360 spiders looked somewhat plain in comparison. add to that the bonus of the best engine/exhaust sound of any modern car and you have an all around great car. the only thing i'm not sure about: is it worth the price? | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2003 |
Cool argument this one - I would have bought a GT2 instead of my 360 had they not been 250K when I bought my 360. Now that GT2s are trading for 160K or so and brand new cars for list, I am buying a Stradale -I'm expecting mine in spring 04 (no point getting it in the middle of a MA winter). For me Ferrari has done exactly what I personally wanted with this car - a ROAD car that is about as uncompromised as it can be whilst still being a road car, and be used on the track. I love the look of the 360 spider, but if I'm buying a convertible I'd rather have a 911, Maser spider or even a SL55. For me convertibles are about pose, hardtops are about "super-pursuit-mode" driving. Given a choice of a stripped out nutter car, for me its GT2 vs Stradale. Pluses for me are: 1 Its a Ferrari. 2 Its limited in numbers. 3 It has a truly bespoke interior (not the same as a boggo 911). 4 I looks the absolute dogs bollocks (UK expression meaning really rather good). 5 Whatever the 420 is, it'll be the "regular" car first rather than a Stradale type car. But I think I'll probably go 360CS, 420, 420CS in 2004, 2006 and 2008 (assume the 420 is a 2005 car). Try getting a 1st MY 420 now for list price.... So I think I'm going to get Silver, with the stripe with red leather race seats and head over to the nearest track for some driving fantasy. I really don't mind how fast I am as long as I'm having fun. If I wanted to be the fastest nutter at a track day I'd buy a dedicated track car. I'm sure a GT2 or a Z06 might still be able to beat me, but I'll still be driving a Stradale :-) | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2003 |
Brian, every road test of the Stradale to date has remarked about the surprising ride comfort for such a track orientated car, so I don't believe that argument holds. The Viper, Corvette and the Porsches are all incredible machines. I have owned them in the past. Call me jaded, but if you tossed me the keys to any one of them I would probably toss them straight back. The Stradale gets my pulse racing like no other car sold today can. Ever since I first drove a 355 coupe in 97, there was no looking back. A Ferrari has soul, a car for stimulating the senses. Until I owned one, it was something I could never really understand. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 332 Registered: 3-2002 |
That's easy: If you plan to track the car a lot, Stradale. If not, then Spider. There is no sense in living with the compromises of a track car if you aren't going to take it to the track. I think once many people buying Stradale's realize just how coarse a track car is, they will be dumping them for Spiders and such. Thus, I am not sure I agree they will hold value well. The demand for Spiders is clearly much greater than the supply ever will be. OTOH, note that at many track events a Spider would not be allowed in any but the novice run groups. Thus, if you plan to track much at all, you want hardtop... either Modena or Stradale, not Spider. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2002 |
On a track focused sport car, like the GT2, GT3 and Stradale all the 0-60 an quarter mile numbers are just hint on the car performance. What an enthusiast of this kind of car (like I) should be looking at is lap time. The most valuable thing about this kind of car is the handeling and not the engine.From what I eared the Stradale is very very well balanced and able to take 1.3 lateral Gs against 1.0 of the GT2. The bracking is also more important than torque or 1/4 miles time. The Stradale for examples laps Fiorano 1 second faster than the Challenge car just for the superior braks ( considering it is 120 kgs havier than the competition Challenge). A thinner car with little less power will alway trak better than a fatter car with little more power. That is why I really believe the Stradale will be the best track/street legal car of the two. The Viper?... great for crusing around with a big subwoofer and the top down... (chrome wheels whoooo).. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 160 Registered: 3-2002 |
some mag needs to compare strad, gt2, viper on a road course soon. my $ will go to the viper having best time but strad would give driver better fantasy of being in real racer. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2003 |
Published 1/4 mile figures for the Modena were 12.2 (quickest) to 13.1 (slowest). The car is very sensitive to starting line traction and whether it carries a full fuel load or not (big gas tank and low torque), hence the difference in times. The Stradale carries 240 pounds less, has 25 more horsepower and shifts in 150 milliseconds. So it should be right there as far as quarter mile times go. The Stradale also has the same brakes as the Enzo (with a one inch smaller rear rotor) and will be a couple of hundred pounds lighter to boot. You definitely have a valid argument, so I guess we will all have to wait until the car is released to find out the truth. | ||
| Nick Berry (Nickb)
Junior Member Username: Nickb Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2002 |
I guess I need to defend myself. The Stradale(whatever) according to Ferrari will reach 124 mph in 13.9 sec. Viper 11.7 sec--122.9mph GT2 11.9 sec--120.6 mph TT 12.4 115.6 mph TTX51 package N?A but has 40 more HP than TT Stradale 0-60 4.1 sec. Viper 3.7 GT2 3.6 TT 4.0 As you can see the times are as fast if not faster as a indicated in my prior post. The Stradale has 420hp carrying over 2800 pds. The the Viper over 500hp, GT2 470hp the TTX51 465 hp and the TT420. The new Viper brakes exceeded stopping distance of all exotic cars including the GT2 which has the ceramic brakes that the ENZO has. The Stradale brakes only better the stock 360 by 5% or 6 feet. Please do not shoot the messenger. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jim, I believe Ferrari is being a bit optimistic with the curb weight of the Stradale, as they are with the Modena and Spider. The hp per ton of the Stradale and GT2 will likely be very close, and I expect the GT2 will prove itself quicker in a straight line. Not so sure about the track though. I assume you saw the video. What color are you getting? | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'm expecting mine in Jan or Feb. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1089 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jim , when are you receiving ur Stradale ? I heard that they arent US legal yet but FNA expects to start deliveries from January 2004 ? | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2003 |
Paul thanks again for the Autocar article. I really can't wait now. | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2003 |
No way a Z06, GT2, or Viper or any other car will match the performance of the Stradale. Hell look at the numbers 356 hp per ton for the Stradale, and only 317 hp per ton for the GT2 (according to Autocar not Ferrari). Since the GT2 is the absolute best track car currently available and it looks like the Stradale complete with track compound tires, hundreds of more pounds of downforce then any other car in its class, launch control, F1 trans. that shifts in 150 milliseconds in race mode, and about the most agressive suspension breaking package ever put on a street legal car and I don't think you'll be too worried about losing a race be it at the track, street, or any where else to just about ANY car. Can't wait for the Magazines to put it up against the best from anyone, and I really can't wait for mine. I love my Spyder and I think any one would, but there isn't anything out there that could compare to the performance that will be available from the Stradale. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2003 |
Nick, Not to sound like a jerk, but it is a Stradale, not a Stradle or Strade. It is actually quite a bit more than a "stripped out 360." I suggest you read up on it. There isn't much out there that will hang with it on a track while still being entirely streetable. As far as "works of art" go, I think it is far better looking than either the Modena or the Spider. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1088 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nick , i think you underestimate the Stradale performance . Im sure it will eat a TT X50 on a track . Not sure about a GT2 as they do have more power/torque but also 150 kgs more . The Z06 should be no problem also , a regular 360 already matches them. | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
Junior Member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 54 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'm w/ Kuzi... they need a Stradale Spider. With a V10... heh | ||
| robert di meglio (Robdimeglio)
New member Username: Robdimeglio Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2002 |
rick,very interesting post. i'm not so sure that it will be so easy to match the performance of this upcoming lightweight model by just adding horsepower. by early reports it seems that the performance of the stradale puts it quite a bit beyond that of either the modena or, especially, the spider. if performance is what is valued most, then the choice is clear. as for the price premium, the enzo brake package, by itself, is probably a 20K item. the real question is, should current 360 owners consider this new model a worthwhile upgrade given the added cost. what does everyone think? | ||
| Nick Berry (Nickb)
Junior Member Username: Nickb Post Number: 94 Registered: 8-2002 |
The Stradle is a track car and really nothing more. Its performance will be challenged and probably exceeded by the Porsche GT2 TT and TTx51. The Viper and Corvette Z06 will probably out perform it. The Strade is a stripped down 360 and for that you pay around $40,000 more and not have the pleasure of being king of the track. The 360 Spider is a totally different car for different purpose. It is a work of art admired by everyone. It provides all the street driving pleasure one can ask for. It is the most sought out convertible in the world. It all depends on what you want.  | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2417 Registered: 9-2001 |
Buy what you want and don't worry about depreciation. If you want to invest, buy real estate, stock or bonds. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2003 |
Spiders are GIRLY cars.  Get the Stradale! | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2002 |
Spider. Got one. Wouldn't give it up for a Stradale. | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Junior Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 205 Registered: 3-2003 |
Just read the intro review of the Stadale in Cavallino. Nice article. Very intriquing. But I'd still keep my spyder. How bout a Stradale Spyder? | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 106 Registered: 9-2002 |
Unless you're tracking the car all the time, I'd stick with the Spyder! The reasons Jeff cited are very true! | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 193 Registered: 2-2001 |
Rick For what it's worth, my dealer advised me not to trade my 2002 Spider for a Stradale. The manufacturing of the Stradale confirms that the 360 replacement will be here sooner than later. At trade in time, the Spider will have a broader resale market. Who knows what the resale market will be for a Stradale? It might be a harder resell because it will take that special customer who doesn't mind putting up with the harsher ride and road noise. A dealer might be hesitant to have more than 1 Stradale on the floor for resale. If you think ahead a year. The 360 replacement will probably out perform the Stradale in all aspects. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1317 Registered: 8-2001 |
Not a convertible man so a Stradale for me please. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1201 Registered: 11-2001 |
IMO, the 360 Spider will depreciate more and faster than the Stradale. it's a simple matter of total production counts - the latter will be well below the former - if for no reason other than the few years head start the Spider has gotten. but unless you plan to track it all the time (in which case this is a particularly sub-optimal comparison, given the safety issues of tracking a Spider) i'd go with the Spider. doody. | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 185 Registered: 4-2001 |
360 stradale 04 or 360 spider 04, if you had a choice which one would you take and why? which one will depreciate in value more? |