| Author | Message | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 47 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thanks for sharing your experience & knowledge to people who posted here. I really appreciate it. I learned more in past few days since my post. Those regular mileage service can be different for every one, as a car gets old, you may find some possible problem during maintenance and you take care of them, then it could get longer. My question was immature one, I guess. I was just surprised about 2-3 months comment, but the mechanic may wanted to express how PPI is important, too. Now I can contact Jim E for local information, too. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1489 Registered: 4-2002 |
Yeah, 4-5 days is about right, if......... He has the parts, it doesn't need anything extra or weird, everything goes according to plan, etc. Often not the case, especially if your mechanic is very thorough and finds other little things that could use attention. | ||
| sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
New member Username: 308qv_miami Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2003 |
when I first purchased my 308qv the first thing I did was the 30k service. Took it to Tim Stanford's and had it complete within 4-5 days. He and his staff are great.I have to agree, months?Find a new mechanic. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1485 Registered: 4-2002 |
The 30K service took a month on my GT4. Part of that was my fault, as I knew that he couldn't start on it for a few days. But...... It's just the usual hassles. Take off front engine stuff - oops!, you need a water pump. While waiting for pump, we mutually decide to replace all front seals. Wait for seals. When they show up, he didn't like the appearance of one. Wait for another. Anyway, I don't hold the mechanic to blame for the 1 month service time, as most of it was for delays beyond his control. Parts, mostly. | ||
| Stan Kidd (Pocketbikeracer)
New member Username: Pocketbikeracer Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2002 |
Put my 355 in for 30K service, took 6 weeks, and I had an appointment Stan | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2003 |
Dave, thank you very much for your detailed information. You're mechanic in Boulder! I really appreciate information like this. Thank you! | ||
| Dave Helms (Davehelms)
Junior Member Username: Davehelms Post Number: 59 Registered: 5-2003 |
A 328 major usually takes about 35-38 hours (done my way). Each shop offers differing services that are included, so there is a bit of variation in the time it takes. I include refinish of cam covers, timing covers, cam seals replaced, a water pump rebuild..., at 5 yr. major service intervals. This is what I have found keeps the cars reliable, and offers what my customers want. When a major is done, often injector cleaning/replacement is done, as well as a few other misc. common repairs. Even with many add on services, it is hard for me to understand how a 3/3.2ltr. 4v service could reach $10K. Of course just throwing T belts at the car is far less, but I usually try to steer clear of those types of repairs. That is not considered a "major service" in any sence of the term. Of course there are circumstances where that type of repair is warranted as well. Labor and parts prices vary by location, but if you are quoted $10K, its time to shop around, or inspect what services are offered for that amount. It could be that they are offering far more than what I am thinking of as a major service. | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 42 Registered: 5-2003 |
Craig, your post was helpful. The time it took was almost 1 month, right? (3 wks & 5 days) Dave, your post is very informative. I have one quesitons on your comment on 2). What do you mean by "?" at the end? Is the price too high or low? Jim P, please advise me via private e-mail from my Profile for these mechanics. I have made an offer to 328 right now, and waiting for the car. With PPI done, I expect some flow in the car due to its age. I intend to put in a shop before I take it to long drive, like Houston or Shreveport. Your post is helpful since we are in same demographics. I will tell you details when we met at local gatherings. My intention for this thread was that I undersood him correctly or not, or use info. to negotiate. Did you go to the one on 6/7? | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2003 |
Please note that there is a correction to my previous posting. After "BTW, ..... more than 1 month!", it sould read "Am I understanding coreectly on 3M formula?" It was careless rookie mistake. (what am I to know on shop hour anyway, otherwise I wouldn't post this thread) After reading Dave's post, I realized my error. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1859 Registered: 7-2001 |
I don't know who you talked to Yoshi, but I think you're in Dallas and I know of a couple of local reputable Ferrari mechanics. My car had it's 30k about a year ago and was out maybe 2 weeks. I drove out with another local user when he got his 30k done at another mechanic, and his was out maximum of 2 weeks, maybe just 1. Prices around here range from about $2k to $6k depending on where you take it. I'd be curious who gave you the 2-3 month info. | ||
| Tony Roberts (Pantera)
Junior Member Username: Pantera Post Number: 91 Registered: 6-2003 |
It probably takes 2 to 3 months because the mechanic you talked to does not know what he is doing! | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 747 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have witnessed a 355 major done in exactly one week, in on Friday, out the next friday. | ||
| Dave Helms (Davehelms)
Junior Member Username: Davehelms Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2003 |
WOW, this is an education! 1) when on a major service, it is in everyones best interest to work through it, and stay focused for full 8 hr. days at a time. 2) $10-15K for a 328 major?! 3) the 3M formula is VERY close, but that is divided up between technical, and support staff. Not just the tech, so there is overlap. That is why the shop rates are high. There are at least 2 people minimum, working on a project at any given time. 4) I can well believe there is a waiting list to get in, but once in the shop the delays should be minimal. Insurance jobs are a major pain, as the delays can be caused by outside sources. Any insurance interaction will result in the shop spending an extra 3-5 hrs of paper chase that they dont get paid for, let alone the delays in getting OK's. Parts delays, who has ever heard of such a thing with Ferrari?! Took 11 months to get a crank, rod, and 5 pistons for an F50. When I figure the schedual for a major, I always set aside 7-8 working days, if I have a helper (355, 348, TR). This allows me to have a day to do cold and hot starts a couple of times, and a few test drives. Where does the 2-3 months come into play? Is this waiting to get in? | ||
| Craig Williams (Craigw)
Junior Member Username: Craigw Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2002 |
service+new brake pads+ bonnet, front spoiler & bumpers resprayed+geometry check+4 new tyres+full valet, 3 weeks, 5 days. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 803 Registered: 9-2001 |
If you go to an official dealer in Germany with an appointment you normally get back your car after one or at least two weeks. This is valid for the "normal" Ferraris and include engine out services and clutch or transmission changes etc. Everything beyond this time length would be unacceptable because too long IMO! Withdrawal Syndroms!!!!!!  Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Although I "only" own a 348tb I sometimes drive by my dealer to watch the progress of work because I am so curious about technical details. Guess the mechanics consider me crazy or think I want to control them. Don�t mind that though! | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 38 Registered: 5-2003 |
What a relief to hear y'all stories. I have heard "Ferrari stays in shops longer than road" stories (few owns Ferrari, too) before. I'm sure there's geographical factor & business volume affects these numbers, but I, too, thought 2-3 months was too LONG. But being Ferrari rookie, I wasn't sure and wanted to ask y'all. BTW, 55 shop hours could mean more than 2 month, because business calendar is 5 days a week, and a shop won't dedicate all 8-hours day labor on 1 car, thus it could take more than 1 months! Much better tha 2-3 months though, or 3-5 months! Obi One Doody, sorry to upset you. My humbleness lead me to feel the dard side. Maybe someone should educate me for selecting right mechanic. Give me the list of things to look for & ask for (what I want is tip to find good ones) | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 387 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yoshi, that guy has been hitting the crack pipe again. 2-3 months is outrageous! One month to take it apart, plus one month to sit on his thumb?? unless it needs a water pump, it is all fluids, new seals, new timing belts, new tensioners, and new rollers, (the tensioners should really be done as insurance), so all should be in stock or available in 1-2 days. And another month for a detail (or crack binge???). Doody, I agree with you. FYI, in the SF Bay Area there are very limited choices for f-car service. F of LG just closed. Some independents, one local FNA dealer. Still 3 months?? no way Ray. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1206 Registered: 11-2001 |
huh? i've taken both of my cars to two different mechanics for a variety of issues. the shortest stays were less than one day (morning drop off and afternoon pickup) and the longest stay was a week for some substantial work. what on earth is with this measuring stuff in the unit of "months!?!?!?!? with all due respect, why on earth would you guys put up with that kind of crap? no f'ing way i'm going to lose the use of my car for "a month or two" unless it's dead-freakin' seriously screwed up (major accident with body work, whatever). either these shops are incompetently slow, or they're seriously short mechanics and should freakin' hire some. a first-class, concours detailing is less than a day - and no shop does that - maybe two hours - tops. sorry - i'm just incredulous at these numbers! doody. | ||
| "The Dave" (Sparetireless)
Junior Member Username: Sparetireless Post Number: 104 Registered: 1-2003 |
Something simple, 1 month, does not matter what is wrong. Its one month. Includes detailing. Something complicated, longer. | ||
| Ken Ghiringhelli (Kenny94945)
Junior Member Username: Kenny94945 Post Number: 61 Registered: 12-2002 |
I recall a formula from 3M... every hour of shop time is 3.2 hours of actual time. 55 hours (x) 3.2 (/) 8 (=) 22 days | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2003 |
30k for the Mondial 3.2 was about 5 thousand at the dealer and they needed about 5 days. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1204 Registered: 11-2001 |
yoshi - you're talking to the wrong mechanic. find another one. doody. | ||
| P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member Username: Ferrari_fanatic Post Number: 384 Registered: 4-2003 |
On a 355 the shop gets 55 hours to complete the 30K. By my math that is a little shy of 7, eight hour days. 2-3 months??? | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2003 |
Major service for my car took a week. $10-15K for a 328 would be about right, BUT these cars rarely blow engines. | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
New member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2003 |
While talking to a Ferrari mechanic, I was surprised by his comment!. Periodical service w/ timing belt, water pump, etc could take 2-3 months! If an engine got busted, it could cost $20K or more w/ 3-5 months. I understand each model may have different situation, but I want some reality to sink in me about Ferrari maintenance. Please share some of your real experience so I know more about maint./repair time it will take. Of course, this is just reference only for myself. |