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Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Post Number: 1423
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 2:08 pm:   

I like that fake looking leather piece right behind the roll bars on the deck lid so it looks like the top is tucked in it's pouch.

Also, the barchetta has no storage for the top right? So this is cutting the car to make that popup lid?
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce

Post Number: 1115
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 1:29 pm:   

Gosh , its gorgeous ! With and without the hard top . Are those pics available in high res ?
Dan (Bobafett)
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Post Number: 751
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 12:10 pm:   

Pity it can't be done to a coupe....I'd definetly try cutting one.

--Dan
Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Username: Willis360

Post Number: 1331
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 9:30 am:   

I wonder if more Barchetta owners will hang on to their cars and do the conversion instead?
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1246
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 7:03 am:   

Information from Carrozzeria Pavesi

This is a conversion from the BARCHETTA only. Couple owners need not apply.

It appears to be not-quite fifty gees for the soft top, and about half that for the hard top.

Info and lots of pictures.

Doody

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Dear Mr Doody,

Thank you very much for your interst in our work. Our soft top conversion for the Barchetta is not suitable on the coup�.

We have made six conversions at the moment and we need to have the car here in Milano to do the work.

We have also made an hard top that can be mounted only on Pavesi soft top converted Barchettas.

The conversion takes approximately two months, the construction of the aluminium hard top takes three months.

We are at your disposal for any further information and we attach some photos.

Best regards

Ernesto Pavesi

Carrozzeria Ernesto Pavesi
Via De Andreis, 7
20137 MILANO
ITALIA

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Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1245
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 7:01 am:   

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Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1244
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 6:58 am:   

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J R K (Kenyon)
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Post Number: 395
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 6:41 am:   

550 Barchetta Hardtop
Unused carbon fibre hardtop hand crafted in Germany. Amazingly high quality. Nero Daytona but can be sprayed to match your car at nil cost. Fitted in 60 seconds. Ferrari tested. Make your Barchetta usable all year round. Cost �15k. Sensible offers around �8k. Email [email protected]. (6/2003)
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 1280
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 10:31 am:   

martin, check your email. i'll b there wednesday.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 4812
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 10:11 am:   

Ross,
I think the answer is that the 550/575 is on its last breath. The new model is on the board already, possibly already being tested. They are janking out the last orders and that is the end of that. No need in more time being spend on that model. The 550 went sluggish at a time when production orders for 360s were cranking. They also make more money of the 360s so why go nutz with the 550/575.

When are you coming to town.

Martin
ross koller (Ross)
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Post Number: 1279
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 9:37 am:   

ok, so with all of this energy being put into this project by after market companies; combined with the (apparent) lack of interest in the 575; don't you think ferrari would finally wake up and make a decent convertible topped 575 with an easy workable and good looking top with high speed capability? what are they waiting for ?
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Username: Doody

Post Number: 1231
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 11:56 am:   

100% radio silence from the guys in milan and the guys in florida.

doody.
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce

Post Number: 1102
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 6:33 am:   

No news Doody ??
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 4792
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 8:45 am:   

WM,
you mean like the Porsche Speedster top??
Now that thing was flimsy.

I like the way the company in Milan did it. It is however a 500 Maranello conversion, not based on the Barchetta.

This is what makes this actually interesting. Buy a $115K Maranello, ship it to Milan. Drive in Italy for a week and bring it to the shop there. Come back a month later and drive again in your new open Barchetta for a week, drop it at the port and fly home. 2 great vacations and a convertible roof. Question is, when you import it back does customs give you a hard time sine all of a sudden the roof is missing?
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 1246
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:58 pm:   

Ya know, i'm not even sure you need some automatic thing. I would be good with an easy to open/close manual convertible top; not doing any sheet metal (or more precisely, aluminum) changes to the back deck, and even figuring out a way to detach the thing and throw it in the trunk would be ok. I suppose you could go to one of those custom convertible restoration shops and have one built, but even that probably costs more than 5k dollars, yes?
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1216
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:40 pm:   

i have buzzed those dudes in FL too. however, they seem to simply be converting 550s into Barchettas. no word of an auotmated roof.

i spent some time looking over my car today when i left the office, and man would they have to do a lot of body work to make something like this actually work out right....

doody.
PSk (Psk)
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Username: Psk

Post Number: 498
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:02 pm:   

And the 550 Barchetta is supposed to be some sort of design award/awesome thing/most beautiful Ferrari, etc., and all these companies have to fix a stuff up that makes the original car so unuseable that a proud owner can't stand it any longer and has to sell.

Best of luck Whart, I think you have made the right decision, with the Porsche. And I hope you sell her for the right price.

What Martin's original post shows is what Ferrari should have built, and it looks the same with the hood down. In the end the Italians have created an odd ball that will look great on the inside of glass car sales showrooms.

Again best of luck Whart ... I would replace it too.
Pete
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 1245
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 7:17 pm:   

Yep,let's see what it costs to put on the roof that god and enzo intended.
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce

Post Number: 1101
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 7:10 pm:   

Looking at the bigger pic , i agree , its a real car and its pretty impressive !!

Doody keep us informed as soon as they reply !
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 4:12 pm:   

http://www.eurocoachworks.com

550spider
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Username: Karmavore

Post Number: 224
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 4:09 pm:   

http://www.eurocoachworks.com/
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1215
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 3:55 pm:   

busted link - this is it: http://www.pavesimilano.it/

i have emailed them. i'm curious :-)

grazie tante, martin.

doody.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 4790
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 3:29 pm:   

The company is called Carrozzeria Ernesto Pavesi
Via De Andreis 7
20137 Milan
www.pavesimitaiano.it

Yes they have done others and I do have pictures but have to run.

I believe this is actually a 550 convertion to Barchetta.

More later

Martin
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Username: Amenasce

Post Number: 1099
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 3:03 pm:   

There is also a US company who had a plans to do 550 Spider . They had an ad in Dupont , i need to findit again .

But this pic here is , im almost positive , a hot wheels barchetta.
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 1243
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:56 pm:   

Not to paraphrase anything you might have heard last nite: "It was soft."
Dan (Bobafett)
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Username: Bobafett

Post Number: 699
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:50 pm:   

A cut 550 would be aaaaawesome! Bill, do you know if it was a hardtop or soft? I'd imagine doing a folding hardtop on this car would be tricky due to lack of trunk space...even if you got rid of the rear shelf. The SL unit is pretty big...

--Dan
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 1242
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:39 pm:   

Doody said it. Sheehan had a cut Maranello with a real conv. roof last year. Dunno if it was ever on his web site or what it went for.
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Username: Doody

Post Number: 1214
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:33 pm:   

the hard top can be found elsewhere in the archives.

many folks think it's way ugly.

and it has the separate problem that you can't take it off unless you're at home (or thereabouts).

a "regular" convertible top would be SO cool!

martin - why won't you share with us on this one, dude?

i'm confused why anybody would do this though - there are only 450 of these things in the world - you aren't likely to make money if 1% of them sign up.

now if they offered the mod for any Maranello then they'd be selling into an installed base of about 6K and growing, right?

who's going to volunteer to be the first guy to have his 550 cut? :-)
doody.
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Post Number: 811
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:54 pm:   

You can also buy a hardtop for a little over 10000� as far as I remember. It�s streamlined and looks pretty neat compared to the stupid soft roof from the factory and has no speed limitations. It�s sold by a german company. I should have some pictures and the adress in a "Ferrari World" magazine.




Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member
Username: Amenasce

Post Number: 1098
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:35 pm:   

That barchetta in the pic looks like a Model ? Has this italian company done any conversion already ?? Whats the name of the company ?
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart

Post Number: 1241
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:50 am:   

I don't want to comment on the market for fear of jeopardizing any deals that may be in the offing. Suffice to say there are cars with delivery miles, and higher prices. Whether they are moving at those prices is another question.
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad

Post Number: 1404
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:13 am:   

there is one in dallas with asking price of $315K. Not sure on miles. Are the prices that wide?
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart

Post Number: 1240
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:46 am:   

Sounds about right...
ELI (Titanium360)
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Username: Titanium360

Post Number: 440
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:29 am:   

WM, was your Barchetta, black on black with 6-7K miles. My uncle was just offered the car for $244K by a local dealer
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart

Post Number: 1238
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:52 am:   

Do you have more info on this, including price? And, i assume this requires some sheetmetal work, done only in Italy? Thanks.
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Username: Doody

Post Number: 1213
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:41 am:   

yeah - what's the 411 on these guys, martin?

and can they retro a non-barchetta?

i have to say - a maranello with a real, working softtop along with a fixable hardtop (like the R129 MB SLs and 911 Cabriolets) would be a SWEET thing to have!

doody.
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 1275
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:37 am:   

thats neat ! probably only costs another $100k too ;)
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 4786
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:33 am:   

Thanks Rob for shrinking it!
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 4785
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:33 am:   

Here is another option for getting to drive the Barchetta like a regular car. This company is in Milan and does Barchetta conversions to allow a foldable top.

Better than driving a GT2...

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