| Author | Message | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rikky, What I meant is that Jordan on points are doing better than Jaguar yet Jordan have a far far far smaller budget (good value for money), and Imho in the past ford have done better giving smaller specialist a cheque than doing it themselves (dont foget that the cosworth V8, GT40, Cobra etc were all originaly designed and built by smaller sepcialist's with ford backing) As for Jaguar's perfomance i think the car is alot better this year and Webber is doing a fantastic job | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 178 Registered: 5-2002 |
Jordan may be ahead of Jaguar but they certainly are not better. While I was rooting for Fisichella to win, and was glad that he was given the victory, they are obviously not on par with Jaguar, who are actually doing quite well (with Webber) | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
New member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2002 |
Jordan Ford are currently 5th in the world championship whilst Jaguar are 8th, Think its fairly well known that Jordan have a far smaller budget, Jaguar seem to have fallen away every year since the changed over from Stewart. Just goes to show that Ford only do well when they supply a name plate and a blank cheque | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1659 Registered: 10-2002 |
Terry I agree. Jag is owned by Ford and is therefore a factory effort. That said Ford doesn't have as much money to throw around these days. | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 344 Registered: 9-2001 |
The GT40s were great cars and did beat Ferrari, but Ferrari beat them with the 330P4, maybe they didn't win Le Mans, but they did win the championship in 1967. Of Course I would rather them have won Le Mans as well, but if given the choice the Championship is more important. Thanks to ProDrive, Ferrari won Le Mans this weekend, at least in the GTS class! This was a good weekend for Ferrari! The statement the Ford cannot find a good F1 team, isn't the Jaguar team basically a FORD factory team, I mean if they cannot make it work with their own team what do they expect another chassis builder to do. They have more money to throw at the sport than any other if it were a priority. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2002 |
yes! enzo is dropping like a stone in my personal ugliest car list. first the saleen now the multimatic ford but since its not a street car does that mean enzo is still in 2nd? | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 505 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jonas,
Agree not any more as Cosworth seem to not be able to find a descent team anymore ... or their engine is useless. The best Ford F1 days were with Lotus I guess ... which is a long time ago. Pete | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 617 Registered: 12-2002 |
A Ford is a Ford! Nothing else! You really can't compare the two. Ton I agree with Jens that the Ford does not look very appealing. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 439 Registered: 11-2002 |
Psk, while I agree with you in anything else, it is NOT true that Ford is doing better in Formula 1 Ferrari's has one the Constructors Champ. many times more than Ford, if they ever one it. And Ferrari's has one Formula 1 many times also. Just because Ford has a good motor doens't mean they have done much better in F1. Cuz' they havent. To be honest, both their cars and drivers suck. There are several better teams. But all the other things you said. I agree. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 827 Registered: 9-2001 |
Pete, Had a bad today? I can really recognise the difference between a race and a street car. Still the Enzo has nicer looks! That�s all I was saying. Can�t see anything one eyed about that! After looking at the Ford picture longer I have to add that this car is extraordinary ugly. Looks like an egg on wheels with copied Enzo front! BTW: I am a Ferrari enthusiast and no Ford fan. In fact the cars they are offering in Germany are ALL mediocre crap by european standards. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. The Cosworth engine WAS good! That�s long ago! | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 172 Registered: 5-2002 |
Patrick - How about F1? Where is Ferrari? Where are Jordan, Minardi, Jaguar? | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 229 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think Bentley might take LeMans this year...Panoz would count as Ford because they are Ford parts bin cars...Ford in WRC won the last rally, but obviously Ferrari does not have a WRC car...Neither does Fiat. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1111 Registered: 11-2002 |
Porsche!! Sorry, had to do that...  Cheers | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5300 Registered: 12-2000 |
DP is Grand Am not ALMS. Mustang hasn't done great in GT racing lately. Zero internationally, but Boris Said has done OK with a Stang in Trans Am and not very well in WC (AER is a local Dallas team). Does Panoz count as a Ford? Ferrari has been winning the FIA GT championship and Grand Am championship lately. Ford hasn't. This may be the year for Le Mans 24 and ALMS too. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 227 Registered: 4-2003 |
I mean that Ford is better on the track than Ferrari....ever since LeMans when the GT40's cleaned out Ferrari has not won since...The Ford pictured here is an ALMS car....Not sure how the 360's are doing in there...Or in TransAm with the 360GT. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5298 Registered: 12-2000 |
Umm, about the only thing this Ford DP has in common with a GT-40 or GT is the blue oval. These are basically spec cars templated by Grand Am. Each manufacturer has little room for play (more than the NASCAR template though). The entire purpose of this class was to be an inexpensive race series for privateers to drive manufacturer specific cars. Less variables to play with, the less expensive. They're all so ugly because of the required safety roll cage dimensions. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Junior Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think its clear that Ford is better on the track....MMMMM GT40!!! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 501 Registered: 11-2002 |
Man some of you guys are so one eyed!!! .... The Ford is a real race, with a real purpose and the Ferrari is NOT. The side window treatment of the Enzo is horrible, but it still is an awesome car performance wise, but that does not mean that everything else is second rate. The F308/F355/F550/F360/F40/F50 and many others are far better looking IMO. Anyway the Enzo is simply a road car ... but I have said all this before ... While I know this is a Ferrari enthusiasts site it does not imply that we have to stick our head in the sand ... and rubbish everything else. Pete ps: This race car is the spirtual successor to the GT40 not the road car GT. Go Ford for having more balls than Ferrari and put your reputation to the test on the race track. And before you Ferrari enthusiasts quote F1, the Cosworth Ford engine IS the most successful engine ... so it could be argued that Ford are MORE successful than Ferrari on the track ... BTW: I am a huge Italian car fan not especially a Ford fan ... | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 822 Registered: 9-2001 |
Still the Enzo looks so much better! Well, guess that�s the difference between a Ferrari and a Ford! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5292 Registered: 12-2000 |
Greg, I was just talking about the nose treatment. The Enzo designer publicly said it and for obvious function and maybe a little form the DP designers did as well. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1089 Registered: 11-2002 |
LMP racer inspired. Cheers | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
New member Username: Teflon Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
Rob, I'm sorry, but there is nothing in that daytona prototype that was inspired by F1. Greg | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5290 Registered: 12-2000 |
I doubt the Daytona Proto was directly inspired by the Enzo, but I think both were inspired by F1. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1256 Registered: 3-2001 |
I just received my new AutoWeek today and spotted an article on the new Multimatic Ford Focus race car. The pictures caught my attention... does the front of this thing look a little familiar?   |