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Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 8:16 pm: | |
those were probably 1,200 automotive testing miles, right? i assume there's one mule that gets to do the rounds for all the mags - and they all beat the ever living •••• out of it.
doody.
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 906
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 5:53 pm: | |
Dave: it's the same story w/ the GT 2's PCCB brakes will last only 1500 miles (track miles) and there's an different brake compound, supplied by PMNA, for track use. The GT 2 replacement rotors are ~ 5k/rotor, but under normal driving the pads should last twice as long as conventional pads, and the rotors, possibly, 100k miles. |
Dave Burch (Merlyn)
Junior Member
Username: Merlyn
Post Number: 65
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 5:44 pm: | |
Am I the only one that finds it odd that the car went through the brakes to the tune of $30,000 in only 1200 miles. Granted half of that was track miles, but still. |
Christopher F. (Dallasguy)
Junior Member
Username: Dallasguy
Post Number: 161
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 5:31 pm: | |
Not that I (or most people for that fact) will have to deal with this issue until long after that precious warranty expires, but how will they know if you use something else?
Is the Shell oil a special color or have a special smell? What would be the teltale signs that, heaven forbid, you used some other kind of oil? But in all seriousness, the 349 people in the world who have to deal with this probably were aware going into the deal. I doubt any backed out on that basis. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1240
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 4:18 pm: | |
Nah, I got that puppy up on bricks out front
ROFTLMAO!
now that'd be a damn funny picture!
doody. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 4836
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 4:12 pm: | |
Ah ja its the Shell Helix 0W-61 that you can only get from Shell. Quaker State makes the 0W-60 but you need the 61.
I think that is hog wash but heck if you buy the Enzo you might as well pay the extra $$$ to keep it running.
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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2486
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 4:05 pm: | |
My 2000 BMW M5 uses a 10w60 oil that is only made by Castrol. BMW also requires its use in the manual. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 902
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 3:53 pm: | |
Frank: Sorry, I meant to touch on your comment before. You're right, the oil may be specially made, but even other manufatcures who specifically reccomend a certain brand of oil, don't insist on it. It just struck me as odd; however, the article didn't list weather or not the oil changes are complimentry --while the car's under warranty. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2485
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 3:44 pm: | |
Hurbert, Ferrari may have a real justification. The specially formulated Shell oil may have certain additives or characteristics that the Enzo engine needs and is not present in any other oil on the market. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 899
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 3:32 pm: | |
Art: Nah, I got that puppy up on bricks out front... just asking before I run down to autozone and get me that free hat with my purchase of 6 qts of quaker state or more.
In all seriousness, yes, I'd service it at the dealer, but am shocked that a manufacture can do this without any real justification. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 1888
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
Hubert:
You can get the oil cheaper, but if you've paid 650k, would you not have it served by your local dealer?
Art |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2481
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:33 pm: | |
The Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act only shifts the burden to Ferrari if you use an unspecified product such as oil and a failure results. In that case, Ferrari would then have the burden to prove that it was the use of the unspecified product that caused the failure. There may not be a comparable product on the market to the Sheell 0w-60 oil specified. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 895
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:31 pm: | |
Ken: the oil is $60/qt. and the enzos capcity is b/w 10-12 qts (can't remember off hand). |
Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member
Username: Zff
Post Number: 77
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:30 pm: | |
Geez, I wonder how much an oil change costs? That oil can't be cheap, and the Enzo's V12 probably uses a lot of it. |
Kds (Kds)
New member
Username: Kds
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:28 pm: | |
You'd think for $650K the oil changes would be free. I read this issue the other day as well.
But seriously......the answer to your question will be interesting. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 4630
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:26 pm: | |
Holy cow, i might have some input on this...!
Please, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm under the impression that if the dealer says you have to use THEIR oil or only a certain type of oil for an oil change, then they have to do the oil change for free... It's the law or something like that...
Anyone...? |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 893
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 2:22 pm: | |
This months car & driver features the first US road test of an ENZO. In the article -- among the 6k brake pads and the 12k brake disc cost-- there's mention of Ferraris stipulation that only a specially formualetd Shell Helix 0W-60 oil be used, and that if it is not, Ferrari will not honor the warranty as it pertains to the engine. My obvious question: is this legal?
I thought, in the US, federal law doesn't allow warranty voiding under these conditions; i.e., if they specify a BRAND of oil like that, else void warranty, the magnusson-moss warranty act says that the mfgr has to provide the specified product for free.
Thoughts?
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