| Author | Message | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 106 Registered: 3-2003 |
Oh, excellent! Thanks you for these detailed temperature measurements. I really appreciate it. -Chris | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 448 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chris, You mentioned about maybe making the f348 airbox out of carbon Fiber. I took some measurments of temperatures over a long period yesterday in my F348. The temperature was between 50 and 55 degress C which was the highest next to the Exhaust Heat shield. I hope this helps. The surface temperature of the air box was highest at 50 degress C. The outside temperature at the time was 25 degress C. | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 102 Registered: 3-2003 |
Changed to exactly the same plastic covered part I imagine. I'm not sure if you'll notice, but I think you'll be happy with the way these paddles feel as they transmit certain vibrations to your fingers. Also, Steven, for those who so desire, we can lengthen the tips of the up and/or down paddles for enhanced shifting in turns. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1553 Registered: 2-2001 |
The stock paddles are coated with CRAPPY PLASTIC MATERIAL. Anybody who has used their 360 for any significant amount of time will see them deteriorate greatly, and they look like hell. All the 360s I have seen with decent mileage have this problem, and most have been changed under warranty at least once. The 575 has aluminum paddles, which correct the problem somewhat, but they would be much too hot to touch in the sun. The CF paddles solve this problem. Ernesto | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1261 Registered: 11-2002 |
Steven, To each their own. I sort of agree with you, I'm the type of guy who purchases things for cars if there is a real usable benefit. This was addressed earlier in the thread, and I think it can be summed up as the bling bling factor. Cheers | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 502 Registered: 6-2001 |
Not to kill the party, but what's the point of carbon fiber shifter paddles? You can hardly see them as it is, you never look at them while driving, and I have never heard of a stock paddle breaking, so the extra strength of carbon fiber is hardly necesary from an enginering standpoint. I bang my paddles pretty hard in the 360 Challenge, and have no problems with their structural integrity. Is there some non-cosmetic, structural information about these paddles that I am unaware of? I happen to like the look of carbon fibre items, but if I am going to replace any parts for looks alone I'd like to actually see them. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 39 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi all The pictures are of the actual items not prototypes or pre-production shifters. Thanks Steve www.myownferrari.com | ||
| Dave Burch (Merlyn)
Junior Member Username: Merlyn Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2002 |
Chris, could you provide a link to pictures of your 355 carbon shift paddels? Thanks, Dave Nevermind, I found them, Great looking parts, | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi The shifters are complete carbon to the highest grade. www.myownferrari.com Thanks Steve | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2003 |
Our paddle shifter is what it is, and the only way we'll change it is to make it better. My pics (on the other thread) are the real thing, not samples - s/n 001. I'll be as open as possible about the materials and processes used to make any of our parts, to the point where proprietary information/techniques might be compromised. JRV, I came up with the price of $600 per pair based on covering costs (largely tooling) and profit, keeping in ming that I wanted these parts to cost less than others I've heard mentioned ($700-$800 range). I am not saying I'm going to get into a price battle, or change the price, but what do you think the market needs (pricewise) to be interested? Thanks for all the input, you guys. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1768 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I have to say that I'm not a big fan of price wars ( that does not include mass production items ), especially when quality is at stake. << Perfectly understandable, and I agree quality shouldn't be compromised, in fact quality is what I sell in my business. I'm presuming in this case the quality is what it is, as they both have showed photos of the parts. Of course if those are just sample photos and the price will determine the quality of parts not made yet, then true, a price war wouldn't be a good thing, unless of course the quality was maintained and the costs of manufacturing and overhead was lowered and the profit margin trimmed. Having been around a little, I'm up to speed on how expensive the first few parts are to produce and the desire to recoup expences as quickly as possible. The flip side of the game is the desire/*need to move product in sufficient volume to create a market, and that's done by trimming some fat off the price or creating considerable *need (real or imagined). Agree that's an interesting statement you found and it would be nice to get some clarification on ingredients so valid comparisons can be made by those of us that desire to do our DD. | ||
| PlayersMarkus (Playersmarkus)
Junior Member Username: Playersmarkus Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2002 |
hmm, in all fairness I have to mention that I also own a carbon fiber manufacturing business . I have to say that I'm not a big fan of price wars ( that does not include mass production items ), especially when quality is at stake. That may not be very relevant with pedal shifters, but it can be a big difference with other parts. Steve's parts look very nice, I was just wondering about this statement : " Because of the use of a new type material which is equivalent to the dry carbon, you would be completely satisfied with its strength as well as its touch." I may missunderstand this sentence,but to me it means that those shifters are not carbon...? Steve, I don't in any way say that your products are not superior,I just don't exactly understand this sentence. It would be not too cool though, if those shifters would not be real carbon or in equal quality to Valence's ones, but advertised as pure carbon...;o) just my 200 lira Markus | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1202 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes Chris. That's cool that you're doing that. Again, I have no experience with these things in particular but I was just voicing another opinion which made sense. Cheers | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi. If you take a look at the bottom picture the paddles are fitted to a 360 Modena Thanks Steve | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hmmm. This is interesting. I do not want a price war. The products we both sell are great quality etc. It is totally down to the individual who any one buys from. PS: I am about to become a sponsor of the site. I also have full product support on all Items. www.myownferrari.com Thanks Steve | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2003 |
Taek-ho, are you referring to the opinion of many drivers that the tips are too short for shifting in a corner? We're offering longer tips as an option (no cost) for those who want it. Some people want the stock length, and those were the first ones finished. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1756 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Hey, maybe a Prada or Gucci badge will increase the price to an even $1000. Then you'll out-bling'em all! << What about a pair personally autographed by Schumi himself?  More Bling for your Jing! ;-) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1198 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey, maybe a Prada or Gucci badge will increase the price to an even $1000. Then you'll out-bling'em all!  Seriously though...Someone had mentioned in a previous thread about the useability of the stock paddles. I don't own a car that uses these so I don't really have any feedback... A little market research goes a looong way.  Cheers | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1755 Registered: 11-2002 |
Chris, I can understand your reply and that certian things are priced to what the market will bare. A good example is Al Burtonis $6K Diablo sport exhaust that consists of 4 $20 dollar glass packs welded to some cheap mandrel bent pipes with some equally cheap bling bling chrome tips... He has buyers at retail too...so alot can be said for marketing and clueless rich buyers...however I'm niether..;-) | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1537 Registered: 2-2001 |
The 355 paddles do not fit the 360, and vice versa. The paddles shown on the photos are for the 355. Ernesto | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2003 |
If it comes down to price, he wins. If it comes down to quality, reputation, and a U.S. manufacturer who will stand by this and all of their other products now and in the future, not to mention a strong commitment to ferrarichat, then I'd say the safe money's on Valence. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1753 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey COOOOLLLL !!! A Price War breakin out on CF F1 Paddles. I have an interested client, who can price these paddles to win his business? | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 74 Registered: 3-2003 |
Steve, you say "formula one grade carbon fibre." What exactly does this mean? Do you or your company make these parts? Are these the paddles I've seen on eBay that are made in Japan? We will be introducing the 355 shift paddles soon, too. They will be priced competetively and are different from our 360 paddles (see other post). Chris Coffing Valence USA Manufacturer and Ferrarichat Sponsor | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi. I have just filled out the sponsor enquiry form. Thanks for that Tillman. Steve | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 691 Registered: 11-2001 |
Steve, If you want to become a sponsor, check the following link: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/ads.htm | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ok Byron. Thanks for the info. I do not want to upset anyone. Steve (UK) | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 793 Registered: 10-2002 |
Steve, it looks like you have some nice parts here. However, just as a note of consideration, some of the other people who advertise their parts here for sale are paid sponsors of the site. Just FYI. | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2003 |
Yes they do they fit both the 355 and the 360. Thanks Steve | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2002 |
Do these fit 360's? | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
New member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi. I have now available carbon fibre paddle shifts for the 355. They are manufactured from formula one grade carbon fibre and are of the best quality and finish. very easy to fit yourself. Any questions please feel free to contact me. Price is $495 including worldwide shipping. I accept personal cheques, paypal, bank transfer. please view pictures attached Thanks Steve www.myownferrari.com     |