| Author | Message | ||
| Troy W Scrapchansky (Au_fan)
New member Username: Au_fan Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2003 |
Several weeks ago NPR did a story on where this technology might go in the future. The contents of that story included the possibility of speed information that is stored being downloaded by police officers who pull you over. They could then give you a ticket based on the downloaded information. Their (NPR's) thought was that radar, laser or visual observation would be the just cause for the officer to pull you over and plug in and download the speed data. Interesting prospect, that's for sure. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 571 Registered: 11-2001 |
So, Who's brigt enough to figure out a special program that erases the entire memory without affecting the airbag? | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 419 Registered: 12-2001 |
Some rental car companies use GPS to track their vehicles to see if they go across state lines. One company in NY used the car info to jack the rates on rental cars that exceeded the speed limit (all rental agreements require you to obey the traffic regs). | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2002 |
Gerald has it, The black box you refer to is incorporated into the airbag deplovment system ECU. It is set to record the events prior to deployment of an airbag. mostly it only records impact sensors, body sensors, and vehicle speed, nothing like a black box in for instance an airplane. Best regards, Jim | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 106 Registered: 9-2002 |
Kds, your friends right they do it in not only in Italy but also France and Switzerland (maybe more) in the UK the police have started rolling out speed cameras that calculate your speed between two points with a reasonable distance in between (guess Orwell was right) | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 182 Registered: 6-2001 |
Someday this information will be used by some insurance company to deny coverage in the event of an accident. | ||
| Kds (Kds)
New member Username: Kds Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2003 |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90673,00.html "No one disputes that Michelle Zimmerman lost control of her 2002 GMC Yukon as she drove on a two-lane highway in Massachusetts one snowy afternoon last January. Her friend died after the SUV slammed into a tree. Zimmermann claims she was driving within the posted 40 mph speed limit, but like millions of other Americans the 33-year-old didn't know that her vehicle had a "black box." Monitoring her driving, it recorded the last few seconds before the crash." -------------- The entire article is much longer and more in depth than the small lead in excerpt I posted here. It's worth a look. | ||
| Jethro Bodine (Rsbiomedical)
New member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2001 |
"With gears and RPMs you can compute speed (within a useful margin of error)." Yea and he said you guys have been very very bad  | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 782 Registered: 4-2002 |
"box in the Modena and he said it recorded gears, temp and rpms, pressure but no speed." With gears and RPMs you can compute speed (within a useful margin of error). | ||
| Jethro Bodine (Rsbiomedical)
New member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 36 Registered: 9-2001 |
I found this http://www.magoo.co.nz/ferrari_f50.htm I also saw a TV documentary about the F50 with a recorder because the manufacture wanted it driven hard and fast. I asked a mechanic at a Ferrari dealer about a box in the Modena and he said it recorded gears, temp and rpms, pressure but no speed. | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 689 Registered: 11-2002 |
As of 2000 the only way to record data is with the SD1 or SDII diagnostic system connected to the ECU and intentionally set to record specific data. With SD1, you need a laptop to record, with SDII, there is a stand-alone interface that will store the data for download to a computer later. | ||
| Kds (Kds)
New member Username: Kds Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2003 |
A client of mine stated that in Italy on the autostrada he was fined for exactly what "wmhart" points out. He punched his ticket at such and such a time, and upon exiting the roadway punched his ticket again and was assesed a fine for speeding. I am putting this down to "urban legend" status for now because I have never heard it before and he showed me no proof. I am against this for the purposes of "municipal revenue enancement", but for determining the status of vehicles involved in injury accidents or high value claims...why not ? | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 141 Registered: 5-2003 |
The automotive "Black Boxes" are there to monitor air bag deployment. I do not know if they are present on modern Ferraris, but they are present on many other current cars. They record the last few seconds of the car's performance just before the air bags deploy. Have an accident in which your air bags deploy and if you are driving one of the cars fitted with these devices the accident investigators (police, insurance etc.) can find out certain things about the operation of the car in those last few few seconds before impact. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1299 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yes, its called EZPass here in NY and in some other states that use the same system. But, its my impression that they are so not on top of the data, at least real time, that the chance of getting busted for speeding because you got between two tolls in record time is pretty remote. As the technology improves, and the need to "monitor" such data becomes more important, this will probably be the least of our worries. EG, science fiction books conjuring up notions of "public cameras" ain't fiction any more. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2001 |
Some civil liberties lawyer needs to slap Big Brother in the face for this one...how scary. Does anyone have the prepaid tollway thing where you keep it in your car and so long as you have money entered ino the gizmo, it sends a radio wave to the tollbooth to let you through and it then deducts it from the $$$ stored inthe gizmo? Here in Illinois they've used this information to track cars and check alibis in criminal cases. I find this very unsettling. | ||
| Kds (Kds)
New member Username: Kds Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2003 |
I do not positively know if insurance companies use this information.....but I wouldn't be surprised if they do, along with the local gendarmes in the event of an accident where criminal charges or a large financial loss occurs. I don't think there are actual black boxes per say in a car dedicated to this task....but that the writer took some "journalistic license" when describing the functions of an engine ECU. Example.....wat back in 1991 I was taking the first unsold BMW 850i our dealership had to a client for a test drive. Accelerating onto the freeway at 120kmh the car suddenly stalled and I pulled over to the side of the road. The car turned over correctly but would not start, so I called the shop and the car was collected by a flatdeck. In about one hour later the tech came to see me with a taped printout downloaded from the ECU into the shop computer that had the last few minutes of engine rpm readings, gear changes, temperature readouts, as well as various other sensor readings in addition to an empty gas tank reading !!! The gas gage had shown 1/2 a tank but was actually emtpy....thus the dead car. I found the other available information much more intriguing than this determination of cause BTW. With the advent of electronic brake by wire systems in addition to everything else in modern cars today, it's no surprise that it's getting talked about now. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 562 Registered: 1-2003 |
Truck drivers (like semi's) have had something like them for years, but for different reasons. I've heard some insurance companies will offer a discount if you have one installed on your teens car and monitor their driving. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 827 Registered: 1-2003 |
This is very interesting. More details can be seen at www.channelcincinnati.com/technology/2002334/detail.html | ||
| JT (Mightymagician)
Junior Member Username: Mightymagician Post Number: 85 Registered: 11-2002 |
i've heard that they are in the newer generation Corvettes, but i dont know of any other models that have it. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2003 |
Last night on the tube was a story about the �black box� in cars. I did not know there were �black boxes� in cars but the report stated there are over 40,000,000 in cars today in the US. They are part of the computer system in the car. In an accident the �black box� records the last 5 seconds. The information records speed, braking, and various others things. It is used by insurance companies to determine what happened. Does anyone know if this is true and are they on the late models of Ferrari? |