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J R K (Kenyon)
Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 421
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:57 am: | |
More to read at
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/article.asp?storyId=6918 |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 416
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:27 am: | |
I understand Amars was a FOC Registered member in the UK. I think a minute silence should be given in respect to Amars and Jens at the UK National Concours on Sunday 06/07. Wnat do you all think ???? |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 415
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:27 am: | |
I understand Amars was a FOC Registered member in the UK. I think a minute silence should be given in respect to Aars and Jens at the UK National Concours on Sunday 06/07. Wnat do you all think ???? |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 414
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:26 am: | |
I understand Amars was a FOC Registered member in the UK. I think a minute silence should be given in espect to Aars and Jens at the UK National Concours on Sunday 06/07. Wnat do you all think ???? |
Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member
Username: Asianbond
Post Number: 141
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:56 pm: | |
I think Doody makes very good valid points. Time should be allow to pass so more rational minds can prevail to recognize how each proposed actions affect other parties. We should also recognize that the outside world may not be as affected about this tragedy. |
Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jay
Post Number: 1389
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:51 pm: | |
Doddy, I never even thought of the legalities of this and the effects it might have on Rob and Ferrarichat...I hope Rob takes this into account. thanks. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1273
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:41 pm: | |
i would like to chime in with some lengthy thoughts about the Forza idea, and this process in general. please know that i am absolutely not trying to be disrespectful of the deceased - i'm just hoping to point out some business realities and legal potentialities.
i think the content of any such an ad needs to be very carefully considered; moreso, i think such an ad should probably be unbranded.
i do not believe FNA/FSpA should be contacted. they will be put in an awkward position. i doubt they would want to get involved with this, as it has naught but negative potential in the long term for them. there really is no upside for them. i believe this for two reasons.
first, people die in car accidents every day. it is horrible and painful for those who knew them. while we individually understand that our pastime has serious risks, many people don't see it that way. FNA knows this. FSpA knows that its cars are not MB S class safe. their marketing people will know that any official involvement of ferrari in such an ad would constitute potential negative brand impact.
second, FChat has a relationship with FNA - even if only at arms-length. given the points above, simply asking them to be involved may make them uncomfortable. it could do some damage to the currently positive relationship, and is thus risky for FChat in the long term. simply asking may be problematic. any use of the cavallino rampante or other F trademarks (which would require approval from F - cf. point 1 above) should be avoided.
furthermore, i would advise (and have) rob to consider carefully any linking of the FerrariChat brand to such an exercise. this is obviously a bit more controversial, and the downside is less crisp than it is for FSpA/FNA, but he should think really hard about this, imo.
my understanding is that this tragedy occurred at an event organized by an FChat member as a meeting of FChat members. while the logistics and legalities are enormous given the nations and distances involved, litigation is an unpleasant fact of life on the planet. while i think most courts would have a tough time agreeing that FerrariChat LLC (or whatever the entity is) bears any responsibility whatsoever currently, if rob started linking FerrariChat with the tragedy in third party outlets the waters perhaps get muddier.
as a side note, i think it would be in bad taste to do this if their families were not explicitly on board with it, and have final say-so re: the content.
this is first and foremost a community of like-minded people who feel and care about tragedies like this - if for no other reason than we all know it could be us. there but for the grace of g-d go i. each and every community is only as valuable as its members wish it to be and are willing to make it. i would suggest that the community deal with this and consider keeping it off of rob's shoulders - except insofar as rob himself wishes to participate as a member of the community.
my two (well, maybe six or eight) pennies. PLEASE don't interpret anything i've said as disrespect for the departed. i was very upset about all of this and it has affected me unpleasantly - as it has affected most of the people here. i just would hate to see something unforeseen and negative happen to this wonderful site as a result of these tribute efforts - especially since folks have found a bunch of other stupendous ways to honor these gentlemen without any of the aforementioned risks.
doody. |
Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member
Username: Spawnz
Post Number: 206
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 6:25 pm: | |
Rob, Thanks for making a memorial page and silence on fchat. These guys deserve no less.
Wolfgang: thanks alot for calling me today. It helped me alot knowing some more about the accident itself and it's good to hear everything's being arranged and worked out well. I really appreciate what you're doing. It's been a tough couple of days since friday. It's been on my mind every second of the day, even if try not to think of it for a minute. Did decide to go to work today, but was kind of absent minded, as some of my co-workers noticed. Your call was more than welcome, thank you again.
Ton: sorry for not emailing you yet. Seemed that everytime I started, it would raise all these questions in my mind again, causing me to walk away from the computer, only to comeback and deleting what I've just written, for it did not seem to make any sense at all. But that sums up the last few days I guess. It just doesn't make any sense... but maybe these things simply don't need to do so. They just...happen. The "why"s remain present but are bound not to be answered, atleast not in this lifetime. Looking forward to meeting you again soon, and talking things over some more. Also, thanks for being there the particular day. you helped alot, problably more then you think.
bedtime now.
-Roel
Jens & Amar, may you both have found peace. |
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member
Username: Owens84qv
Post Number: 816
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 6:02 pm: | |
Rob, I'm in on all three, just let me know where I can send some money for the Forza tribute, etc.
For those attending the Ferrari Challenge @ Lime Rock this July, we will definitely gather together for a prayer for our fallen brothers. |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 1365
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
Jay, sounds like a great idea. The flag pole from Ferrariartist would be fitting. |
Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jay
Post Number: 1388
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 4:45 pm: | |
All three are great ideas. I think the Forza ad should say "Con saluti cordialissimi" I always got a little chuckle out of that line at the end of his posts...seemed so formal. He will be deeply missed.
I had another idea. Many of us attend track days and other Ferrari functions. How about a patch "In memory of" to put on our race suits or maybe a decal for our helmets? We could even sell them and donate the money to a charity in their name. I could have the decals made FOC. I don't want to be tacky or anything...I just think it helps in the healing process. What do you think?
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Parker (Fletch)
Junior Member
Username: Fletch
Post Number: 52
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 3:42 pm: | |
Rob, I definitely support all three ideas.
It is an unfortunate incident, however it is nice to see how many good people there are on this board that immediately want to do anything they can to help.
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JON BAER (Bobaer)
New member
Username: Bobaer
Post Number: 45
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 3:32 pm: | |
May we all learn something from this experience and take that knowledge to make a better life for ourselves our family and our friends.
Make today count because you do not know what tomorrow brings.
My condolences.
Jon Baer |
Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member
Username: Leepierce
Post Number: 132
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 2:13 pm: | |
Though I have been silent up until now, my heart goes out to all of those personally affected by this tragedy. I feel close to this community and especially to those who add such positive, warm, and accepting energy as Jens and Amar did.
Count me in for whatever Rob chooses to do. I know it will be in good taste, a fitting tribute. I never met either fellow, but have read their posts and even in this stripped-down, black-and-white internet medium, they were class acts. |
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member
Username: 53345
Post Number: 368
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:25 pm: | |
Bart,
thank you so much, thats great!
I know you are here and you are always in my mind!
I�m sure it will help us. Its hard to say: Be strong....I�m also a 43 years old guy and still crying with tears in my eyes. But we are all here toghether in this community to help eachother. You know, you can call me anytime!!!!
Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member
Username: Artherd
Post Number: 481
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:59 am: | |
All 3 work for me, I particuarily like the Forza.
We MUST make this classy and a fitting tribute. I will help if I can.
-Ben |
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Member
Username: Sharky666
Post Number: 426
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:56 am: | |
Wolfgang, I'm here and reading it all.
Thanks a lot for your support, aswell as from Ton and all the others. |
Ron Vallejo (Ron328)
Junior Member
Username: Ron328
Post Number: 204
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:54 am: | |
I'm in. |
David Mcguire (Matkat)
New member
Username: Matkat
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:48 am: | |
Rob,I think all 3 are great,just let me know how I can contribute.
best regards
Dave McGuire |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 5364
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:25 am: | |
I believe Ken Thomas talked about organizing the ad. I've known Ken personally for over 2 years and he lives here local to Dallas. I'll handle the communication with Forza. Ken had some graphics people volunteer their time for designing the ad. |
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member
Username: Karsten335
Post Number: 473
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:24 am: | |
Got 2 suggestions also..
1. Don't delete their profiles.
2. Make an avatar to our profiles (a signatur line) so after all our posts will the words "Con saluti cordialissimi" appear?
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Tenney (Tenney)
Member
Username: Tenney
Post Number: 405
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:14 am: | |
In lieu of creating via committee, would suggest Rob be final arbiter of Forza tribute content.
Rob, please e-mail re: financial support. |
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member
Username: 53345
Post Number: 367
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:41 am: | |
Ton,
thanks, you are right.
Just spoke to Bart......
PLEASE Bart come back on this board, I know you are online. I`m sure it will help you and all of us. I will do my very, very best for our smal meeting this week (Bart, Rouel, Ton, Mark...and me)
Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member
Username: Lion315
Post Number: 645
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:37 am: | |
I am having contact with Jens' family since Jens was on of my dearest friends. I will ask them how they feel about a Ferrarichat wreath.
Wolfgang, I will let you know.
Ton |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 1360
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:36 am: | |
Wayne, you're right of course. My apologies. |
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member
Username: 53345
Post Number: 366
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:33 am: | |
feel free to advice me, what the community (Jen`s community) wanted to get print on it?
Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Alex Lee (Alxlee)
Junior Member
Username: Alxlee
Post Number: 177
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:31 am: | |
Do we really want the wreath to say from Ferrarichat? Could there be some family members that are angry about the way that they passed and would not want to see a reminder of Ferrari? |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2006
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:30 am: | |
I think you mean "wreath." German-to-English dictionary translates it as "mourning ring." |
Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member
Username: Lion315
Post Number: 643
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:29 am: | |
Thanks Rob!
Ton |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 1359
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:29 am: | |
Trauerkranz = reef |
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member
Username: 53345
Post Number: 365
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:25 am: | |
Thanks Rob and all the other Gents!
I`m in contact with all the persones here in Germany and Europe.
Of cours I will arrange the funeral "Trauerkranz" with the fchat.com banner "Rest in Peace your frineds from fchat.com"
Please feel free to call or mail me anytime; you will find my phnoe numbers in my profile.
Ton, Bart,Rouel keep strong!
Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
&
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Manu (Manu)
Member
Username: Manu
Post Number: 765
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:21 am: | |
Bruce said all there was to say.
Con saluti cordialissimi....
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spivy360 (Spivy)
New member
Username: Spivy
Post Number: 43
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:15 am: | |
Please exept our full support. Post details. |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member
Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 411
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:12 am: | |
GREAT IDEAS...
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 2038
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:05 am: | |
Rob,
Agree on all fronts.
Please contact me privately by email. I will strongly financially support the Forza ad.
Con saluti cordialissimi,
Dave |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 1358
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:03 am: | |
Martin, I hope so too. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 4920
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:02 am: | |
Andreas,
I so hope you are wrong about this!
Rob,
let me know if you need help! If Larry wants to give us a special break it would help. I think we have enough support from our community to pay for the ad as well but see what Larry will do.
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Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Member
Username: Pristines4
Post Number: 439
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:01 am: | |
We're putting a tribute in the Fun Run video from Saturday. We should have it up in about 2-3 days. |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 1356
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:51 am: | |
Agree to all. One thought on #2 though:
There is the unfortunate chance, that as the FChat community grows, we will encounter similar events over the years. So how about a general memorial page? Kinda like the Memorial Wall of Fame at the Kennedy Space Center for fallen astronauts. |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member
Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 377
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:50 am: | |
Rob, some good ideas. I know you will keep us informed. Also, if it makes sense, I suggested earlier to have some presence at the F1 race at Nurburgring on June 29th. I know we have FChatters over there that can maybe hold up a banner in their memory.
Just a thought.
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Alex Lee (Alxlee)
Junior Member
Username: Alxlee
Post Number: 176
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:50 am: | |
I'm in favor of all three ideas. |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:48 am: | |
ROB
IM IN ........ ANYTIME ANYPLACE.....ANYTHING... |
Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member
Username: Snj5
Post Number: 239
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:47 am: | |
Class act, as usual.
Fully support.
csc,
Russ |
Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member
Username: Enzo
Post Number: 624
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:43 am: | |
All three sound like a good plan. I'm in also. Just let us know where to send the money to. |
Terry L (Terrykarr)
Junior Member
Username: Terrykarr
Post Number: 167
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:43 am: | |
Rob, that sounds good. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 4753
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:42 am: | |
All 3 sound very nice and i'm all for each of them. Where can money be sent for the Ad...?
Con saluti cordialissimi
Jens Haller & Amar Inam, Rest In Peace. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 5363
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:39 am: | |
Sorry I've been so quiet the past few days. I just returned to town last night. I've had very little time to review all the posts, so please assist me with some of the ways suggested for the FerrariChat.com community to pay its respects.
Here's my initial proposal from what I've seen, please offer your advice and I would like to finalize the plans by tomorrow.
1) This Friday from 11am to noon CST FerrariChat.com will have an hour of silence. If you follow the FerrariChat.com url it will display a simple memorial page for that hour. For those that have the full forum link bookmarked or your browser isn't refreshed it will still take you to the board, but it will be closed.
2) I will create a permanent Memorial page for Amar & Jens that will be around forever, because FC will be around forever.
3) Ken Thomas and several others support a memorial ad in Forza magazine. I'll talk to the ad rep later today if he's in.
Please advise. |