| Author | Message | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 969 Registered: 1-2003 |
Barry..ROTFLMOF! Very funny  | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 593 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter,  This readout tells you where you're going, this one tells you where you are, this one tells you where you were. You input the destination time on this keypad. Say you want to sell your GTS for $75,000. Enter November 15, 1989.......... | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5557 Registered: 8-2002 |
Paul, Hans has a GT4. He wishes he had GTS Mine is a 78 GTS 24825 Matt | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
Member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 365 Registered: 7-2002 |
Ferrari vin's are all over the place... Taz euro 78 GTB built Jan...20783 Peter euro 77 GTS 23003 Hans us spec 78 GTS 25375 My US spec 78 GTS built feb. 23725 Hans your vin started with 308GTS? mine starts with the engine code #F106AS I have some of those dino rubber door plugs on mine too. But not on the heater vents under the dash. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 967 Registered: 1-2003 |
Barry-David..Thank you again for your posts, great info. Just for fun, what would the chances be that some (or a few) nut out there would pay $75K for my car just because its one of the first 308's?..You know, the guy that has more money than brains! | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 242 Registered: 9-2002 |
My 78 GTB #20783 has a production date on the door jamb of January 1977 however there is not a single part on the car that I found date stamped in 1977; they are all 1976 production. This interested me because my car is steel and its serial number pre-dates some glass cars. Another interesting thing I found was the use of some 'Dino' labelled parts where they are not visible. The two vents under the dash and the rubber stops on the forward door jambs are all labelled 'Dino'. It seems as though Ferrari dipped into some of their GT4 reserves when building my car. | ||
| Julian Bowman (Julian)
New member Username: Julian Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2002 |
http://www.red-headed.com/index2.html | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 590 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter, Here's the 308 GTS Show Car:  | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 589 Registered: 2-2002 |
David, I think I understand what Peter is thinking. And he certainly has been doing much of that while he's been doing his restoration. He just wants to know how early a GTS he has. It's a labor of love. Peter, you should be content with yours being a very early example. Don't get too caught up with "what number off the assembly line." I think in those days, chassis number did not always reflect when the car left the factory. The only added value might be one of historical interest. Barry | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1070 Registered: 5-2001 |
PeterS, I doubt very much that your car being an early example would be worth anything extra, in fact there were some updates to the targa seals in 79 that might make it LESS desireable to the real picky shopper. I don't think any 308 gets much of a premium except for super low mileage "garage queens" used for concours events, and the glass cars. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 588 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter, Here's an interesting picture from Wallace A. Wyss' Ferrari 308 328 Mondial:  Is that the GTS prototype next to the 308 GTB Studio Aerodinamica (Millechiodi)? If it is, well then you don't have the first GTS built in 1977. Barry | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 583 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter, Credit Gerald Roush for this knowledge. He can answer your questions with authority. I know the 1977 GTS show car was a Euro version. Barry | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 950 Registered: 1-2003 |
Barry..It sounds like you may have more information than Ferrari does! So far, I know that there were 106 308 GTS's made in 1977. Do you know if they made the Euro's first? If so, my car COULD be #25, 50, etc. Also, would this increase the general value of my car? | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 582 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thank you, Gerald, for the clarification. At least, by dint of efforts such as these, we have access to some statistics. I'll check to see if I have that particular reprint in my collection. If not, I'll order it with my subscription renewal. I do have your article on the North American version 308 GTB Fiberglass. I know it was written a while back and you asked for any updated information. If you're still collecting that information, I'll be happy to forward the current status of my S/N 19399. Barry | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5536 Registered: 8-2002 |
What bugs me is that everyone says the 308's are common, mass produced cars yet they made more 360's to date then 308's. I am sure there are less 308's now due to attrition yet the values are still in the high 20's and low 30's That sucks. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 949 Registered: 1-2003 |
If I read the chart correctly, there were only 106 GTS 308's built in 1977?. Now I'm really interested! | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 148 Registered: 5-2003 |
The production figures on Retzlaff's site require further explanation, especially for the 1980 numbers. And because he does not include the 208 GTB/GTS and 208 GTB/GTS Turbos interpolations can be misleading. These numbers were first published in The Ferrari Market Letter Vol. 13 No. 3, 6 February 1988 issue, and came from sources claiming these were Ferrari factory numbers. As I wrote in that issue: "1200 carbureted and only 29 injected 308 Spyders in 1980? In 1980 I published advertisements for many more new 308 GTSi's than that!" | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 579 Registered: 2-2002 |
Peter, Here is the production figures table taken from Robert Retzlaff's site. It should, with the GTB S/N database listed on his site, help you determine just how early a GTS you have:  Barry | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 575 Registered: 2-2002 |
Arie and Peter, The information in Robert Retzlaff's 308 GTB Register regarding serial numbers might be helpful: http://www.r-design.net/308/index_e.html Barry | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1908 Registered: 1-2001 |
Arie -- IME there's no VIN convention/rules pre-'80, but usually the chassis SN is involved somewhere. I can sympathize with Charles trying to fit a 5-digit VIN into the 17-digit bureaucracy. Fortunately, on my ex-'78 they added a few more digits (VIN# was 308GTS25375) so it wasn't too oddball, but basically they're just random/invented/made-up. PeterS -- I believe your SN math needs a little work. Before SN 75000 the road cars only had odd SNs, and IIRC the sequence covers all F models so you can't just subtract first SN from last SN for a given model to get total production for that model only. Can't you be happy in life only knowing that it's an early 308 GTS  ? | ||
| Charles Byrd (Vogel)
Junior Member Username: Vogel Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2001 |
The VINs on the the late 70's models are a handful. The original title on my car a 77 308 GTB was wrong, and I am now in the 6th month of trying to have it corrected with the DMV, which cannot seem to figure out the short VIN even when they have seen my car. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 877 Registered: 1-2003 |
Tell me about MY VIN also! I can not get a straight answer from anywhere! I have a '77 Euro 308, VIN #23003. The VIN's started at 22619 to 34,501. My thinking says I have the 384th 308 GTS made. In looking at the '79 308 GTB VIN's, the chasis numbers started with 20805 and ended at 34349. With my math, it says there was 13,544 of the GTB's made, but there was actually 2185! All I want to know is which number Euro car was mine off the assembly line! I know I have an extremely early model, but for all I know, it could be the tenth one or the three-hundreth one!...I need a drink! | ||
| Gerald L. Roush (Ferrmktltr)
Junior Member Username: Ferrmktltr Post Number: 143 Registered: 5-2003 |
But . . . Arie is asking about a 1979 308 GTB and 17-digit VINs didn't exist until 1980! So, Arie, if you want someome to decipher your VIN you've got to post what you have and hope somebody who understands pre-17 digit Ferrari type numbers and/or serial numbers will respond. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 875 Registered: 1-2003 |
Arie...Here are some basics that you may or may not know. From '77 to '80, there were 2185 built in those years. The chasis numbers started with 20805 and ended at 34349. | ||
| Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member Username: Qferrari Post Number: 416 Registered: 2-2002 |
Arie- Just located it...it's www.ferrariclub.com and they have a section entitled 'How to Read Your VIN#'. It's located in the 'FAQ' section of the site. Enjoy! | ||
| Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member Username: Qferrari Post Number: 415 Registered: 2-2002 |
Arie- One of the Ferrari Clubs, I think the FCA NW Region, has a section of their site that tells you how to decipher the VIN of your Ferrari. Someone else here will probably know the web address,etc.. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 299 Registered: 3-2003 |
Post your VIN...someone here will be able to tell you what each digit and letter means. | ||
| ARIE BONSELAAR (Arie)
Junior Member Username: Arie Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2001 |
Is there a website to understand my Vin# on my 79-308gtb. thanks. |