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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 4934
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:15 am: | |
As long as we have Matt's flashing lights come on when someone steps out of line, we are safe.
As for censoring and monitoring I would not be here is I have the feeling that Rob does not handle it 100%. I may not agree with everything he does but see he has reason and that is all that counts.
As said before you have the choice of not responding as a means of disagreeing.
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TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3940
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
Though he will never say it, the fact of the matter is you are rob's guest here, this is not a public street corner, if you don't like it leave, Rob does the best he can and we should all be thankful for it |
KCCK (Kenneth)
Member
Username: Kenneth
Post Number: 416
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:03 am: | |
Despite the nutters, F-chat has always been able to right itself, up to now.
Some of the busting threads have been the most entertaining anywhere in real life forums.
And I even find some of the provocative threads rather educational.
If the initial questions were stupid, the rebukes are frequently filled with wisdom.
Have faith in our jury. Good sense will prevail.
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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 787
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 9:28 am: | |
Censorship is in the eyes of the beholder:
If you think a thread is "over the edge" you have it in your power to (gasp) not respond! |
Vincent (Vincent348)
Member
Username: Vincent348
Post Number: 686
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:54 am: | |
Rob can't police the site 24/7, he has a job and a car(s) to look after. If you don't like something ignore it, or post a dissenting opinion. I'm relatively new here, but i would venture to guess that this is not the first time that things have gotten a little screwy. What did Rob do then?
How many registered users are there? How many post regularly? How many are nuisances? Seems like we are doing fine, a couple of oddballs here and there aside. I choose not to respond to them repeatdly, if even at all.
Vincent. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2014
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:50 am: | |
We have a section here titled the "Threads of Flame and Shame." It may not be located in an obvious place, but it can easily be found by anyone who wants to find it. Rob's MO has always been to move OT discussions (like this one) to OT, and to send the ugly ones to TOFAS. Posts aren't generally deleted unless they are pornographic or outright vulgar in nature. If you notice, none of the Tony Roberts stuff has been deleted, it's only been placed where it belongs. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 525
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:26 am: | |
This always reminds me of the movies.
Some folks like G-rated moives and some folks like R-rated movies. Nothing wrong with that.
But you have to hate those those short-sighted G-rated guys that see the answer to ban R-rated movies instead of just acknowledge that some people like their entertainment a little bit rough and tumble. For every 10 PG rated guys there is always going to be 2 or 3 x-rated guys..
For $500 a year, I'll read F-chat and only send safe serious content to guys that want a clean no-nonsences read at the end of the day.
But remember... some guys like to fight and rumble and some people aren't as sensitive as others. Don't dumb down (or smarten up) the web just to make it fit your needs... its for all types to enjoy.
From a scientist point of view.. it's funny how people most offended by a nasty thread can't keep from clicking on it. (moth to the flame) must be in our nature? |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 887
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 1:18 am: | |
I think Russ's 'We are guests in Rob's house' statement is great. I can't see the masses here at this forum getting upset if he decides what is 'outside the envelope' in regards to threads. Yes, he may have to police it a bit more, but if you can find a better person to do it or an alternative, please share it! Another thing to keep in mind: This is Rob's 'baby'. If I were the brain behind it, I certainly would not want it to become a cesspool of poor taste, i.e.: like the type of posts we have seen from Tony. |
P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
Member
Username: Ferrari_fanatic
Post Number: 437
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:58 am: | |
I really do not think that in this case it is a question of censorship. Nobody should be subjected to some of the silly, provactive, and racially slandering posts that I have seen. Expressing one's view in our society is both embraced, and acceptable. However, these post are a childish prank and are a total waste of people's time and server space. |
Russ Turner (Snj5)
Junior Member
Username: Snj5
Post Number: 245
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:48 am: | |
While I believe censorship is a societal issue that warrants discussion, I heartily support the previous posters - We are guests in Rob's house at his party where I must say, he is a gracious and tolerant host.
While there are certainly self appointed bouncers here, it is always, luckily for all of us, Rob's good judgement that makes the call and gives this forum it's flavor.
My 2 yen. Back to the tech section.
Russ |
J.W. A. (Boxer12)
New member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 24
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:44 am: | |
When the Supreme Court was asked to ban pornograpy, they all agreed that it was impossible to define, but they knew it when the see it...so they got together, popped some corn, and spooled up Debbie Does Dallas and Deep Throat in a conference room of the Supreme Court building. They agree that the definition of porn is a movie 'utterly without any redeeming value', but couldn't agree whether the above fit the definition. true story. |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 181
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:38 am: | |
You are treading on dangerous ground. Censorship is a slippery slope. Who is to decide what is okay? What offends you is alright with others. Such was shown with the "accident " pics. After all the ranting and raving many really do want to see them.From my post about the University of Michigan it also seems that many can talk about more than just "Ferrari". This is not a cigar bar for owners to boast and brag. Nor is it a Garage to discuss technical issues. Nor is it a local pub where you can argue about politics. It is all of the above. If you are really annoyed by a post just ignore it. or if you really need an out...dave had the best idea.. lots of sites allow you to block posts that you don't want to read.Every club has members that don't agree. And most clubs have a "tony". Other than ROB no one here has the right to say who should be able to post and what they should say. Thats why we have an OT section. |
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member
Username: Miltonian
Post Number: 384
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:36 am: | |
It's got to be a "no win" situation for Rob. He can't be here 24 hours a day to monitor the site for nonsense posts. He can't please all of the people all of the time. He can't make senseless people behave sensibly.
It's been said a hundred times already, if you disapprove of someone's posts, ignore them. If you want to express an alternative opinion, go for it! But keep it clean. Seems simple enough... |
"The Dave" (Sparetireless)
Junior Member
Username: Sparetireless
Post Number: 121
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:26 am: | |
Would it be possible to have a "blocking" feature where we could individually filter out other people's posts? For example I could turn off posts from member xyz123 etc? (I am sure that it would be a popular feature) (I also realize I may end up being blocked by others, but we all could tend to see posts that we like to read about, it would make the board more effective, in my opinion only.) Just an idea. |
Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Junior Member
Username: Azzuro328
Post Number: 91
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:19 am: | |
I agree. These silly threads take so much away from this great website. I have not been a member for very long but once I found the site I was hooked immediately. I have really enjoyed the many conversations that I've had and the group of members of the site have always been very helpful. Lately it has been a little annoying though. There have been way too many nonsense threads and they seem to effect everyone negatively. I understand both sides of the argument regarding the accident last weekend. I think that there are valid points of view on each side. I am referring more to the intentionally argumentative threads that have been popping up with alarming frequency lately. Hearing everyone taking shots at each other, while possibly seeming entertaining at first, can get very abrasive over time. I am also for Rob having descretion over what threads are deemed innapropriate or counterproductive. Of course I am still advocating the fun side of F-Chat that has made me such a big fan and proud member of this big family. Here's for keeping it fun, informative, and entertaining. |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 885
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:52 pm: | |
As we all know, there has been requests to terminate or delete certain threads and posts. Some pertaining to the accident and some pertaining the posts by Tony Roberts. Yes, this country is the best for free speech, but in my opinion, this is a private forum and Rob should be able to delete any thread he wishes to without getting flack from members. I feel that if he sees threads titled 'Jewish or Chicano ferrari's', he should delete them. I think that he knows what is proper content and what is inappropriate for the 'spirit' of this forum. As a member, I would not have a problem with the deletion of 'questionable'threads that he sees fit to do so with. |