| Author | Message | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
New member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 35 Registered: 5-2003 |
Horsefly what ferrari do you own? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5013 Registered: 5-2001 |
well, if you look at your own objections this is why one would only be willing to pay a rock-bottom price for a car. You have the objection it may be broken, it may need a service need this and that. If I bid on a 355B today I bid low $60s. That does not mean the car is worth that much! You are all taking ebay too serious as well as those that rate pricing on the FML (sorry Gerald). Those are the highest prices you can possibly find. Dreamers advertising. ON eBay it is dreamers bidding! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1334 Registered: 5-2002 |
Gerald said it best in a previous posting that there is no real way to acquire a listing of accurate "real world" selling prices on Ferraris or other cars. The truth is, very few sellers will be honest and forthcoming about what they ACTUALLY sell their cars for. Pride, the tax man, and other factors always keep the TRUE selling prices forever shrouded in mystery. Something is only worth as much as somebody is willing to give. I've yet to see anything that couldn't be sold on Ebay if the seller TRUELY WANTED to sell his item. Ferraris aren't sacred cows, they're tangible collectibles like any other item. If they can sell a Honus Wagner baseball card on Ebay, they can sell a Ferrari for whatever it's REALLY worth. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5011 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ebay is advertising. i use it that way and it works. Of Course the car does not sell on eBay neither would I buy a car on ebay direct without doing a PPI or getting the deal of a lifetime. I bought a 308 through ebay being the high bidder because it was a steal. I bought two 355s on ebay but had PPIs done before I paid. Deals were done after the auction ended. So these folks sold their cars, means it does work! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1041 Registered: 10-2001 |
Lots of people are like Arlie and don't understand what they're seeing on EBay. Some cars are posted with an unrealistically high reserve so they won't sell; the owner just wants the advertising value to close the deal privately. Some members here have done that. These cars do not mean owners don't know what they are worth although sometimes you can laugh at the 'Buy It Now' prices. Some cars are a real POS or at least fairly rough. Your low 20's 308's probably all need some TLC and major services. These cars don't mean you can get a pristine 308 for the low 20's in spite of claims of 'showroom condition'. Some cars are realistically priced and even sell; lots of times the auction is ended early so the seller doesn't have to go through EBay. And sometimes a true deal is struck on EBay for all to see. I find EBay interesting and most people in to Ferraris should be able to spot what's going on with most offerings. Lots of people here have even uncovered frauds based on the info the "seller" provided. So I think it's presumptious to make blanket statements about the owners thinking they don't know what they're doing. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
New member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 30 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hey HORSEFLY,,, you are wrong, there are millions of buyers but most cant afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, the reason you see those prices are because of ignorants that believe that because its in an auction in ebay that then it most be cheap, and also many of those cars are never sold. Its like those ads that say police auction come and buy porsches, ferrari, lamborghini, helicopters, boats, and lear jets for "pocket change". I know of people selling Testarossas for $60,000 in ebay but those cars are not up to date. No one will do a major on those and new clutch and say its perfect and sell it for that amount, a '90 testarossa without the major and with a half a life in clutch its worth at least $65,000. And stay away of low mileage, that will mean maybe another $3,000 to get the bugs out because of parts going bad from no use, an ac compressor is $1,800, get the picture. We the owners dictate the market not the buyer, if we dont sell low then the real buyers will put up and pay the cash that these cars are really worth. A viper or nsx or corvette owners are not the type of people who got $35,000 to rebuild a flat 12 motor, if they have the cash then they are not willing to pay these amounts of green just to make the car go. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1332 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ebay serves a useful purpose. Without Ebay, how would people know that nearly every antique and collectable car is grossly overpriced and overrated by their owners. It's hard to say a car is worth $50,000 dollars when the high bid only reaches $20,000 after a week on the market and millions of potential buyers having the opportunity to bid. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 263 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's fine. The point of the thread was to gauge opinion, not debate my laziness.  Luke. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1116 Registered: 5-2001 |
Lucas, The reason is that otherwise we could end up having endless topics and sub-topics. The Ebay threads are often inter-twined with threads on general buying tips and purchase decisions on Ferraris. They often need to be posted together, rather than seperately. If YOU don't like Ebay threads, then don't click on them. Simple. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 262 Registered: 12-2002 |
So then why have sections at all David? If there are enough Topics why not? Luke. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1115 Registered: 5-2001 |
The beauty of this forum, is YOU decide whether to click on a topic or not. Avoid the ones you don't like.... | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 550 Registered: 12-2002 |
Back on topic, I think there are more than enough eBay topice (Ferrari and otherwise) that it is a great idea to have an eBay group. It could even be structured like the "BICKERING" grouping of threads so that it would not clutter up the main menu. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5657 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL! I'm done too Matt | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 260 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dude, I'm done. It's over. I'll even show you the VIN to my VW if that helps us move on. Luke. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5656 Registered: 8-2002 |
Lucas, As I said. I am sorry. I will leave it at that. If you would like to continue that's fine. I have two Ferrari's actually and yes I am lucky. to have them. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 259 Registered: 12-2002 |
So sorry I'm late... I was off contributing to society, not dragging from its trailing edge. Anyway: 1) I'm not from the South. (not that that should be insulting and not that it is any of Donny's business) 2) I find is oh-so humorous that the best Donny could muster as come backs to me were three cute pics he found on the net and a misdirected attack on my cultural identity, yet he accused *me* of being dumb! Do we all see the irony? Good. Seriously, if Donny has a Ferrari he is either VERY lucky or sponsored by Mom and Dad, because someone with that kind of mental capacity certainly is not the archetypal owner in my book. 3) Thank you, Martin, for making a valid contribution. Luke. PS, I would like to keep this thread alive, though, as I still find the original topic interesting. | ||
| LWR (Lwr)
New member Username: Lwr Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2001 |
I'll relax, when you do the decent thing... You can't just gloss over an issue like this and hope it goes away In the interests of keeping Luke's discussion alive and on the off-chance that someone can make a valid contribution to the eBay discussion... I'll take the debate elsewhere. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5655 Registered: 8-2002 |
LWR Relax | ||
| LWR (Lwr)
New member Username: Lwr Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2001 |
Given the strength of the statement, I would not call that an apology. "Where's the Ferrari love?" is not an apology. He insulted more people than Lucas with his statement. If Ferrari owners feel that this kind of behaviour is acceptable, then i'll take the non-Ferrari owners in a heart-beat. I've seen his behaviour on other forums... people get a really high post count and think that it's worth something. They overvalue their opinion and contribution to the point that they think its OK to persecute people in an attempt to embarrass them. This was the whole basis of the Tony attack and it's where "The Don" started with this tread. I must admit that i've never seen any individual on any board stoop so low as to attack a cultural/racial group publicly. What else can he do? .. Write a specific formal apology then ask Rob to close the thread. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4997 Registered: 5-2001 |
Luke, as far as your orignal post, I think it is important. We keep an eye out for thisngs that happen with the cars we love. Keeps the community informed as well as aware of scum that it trying to pass up a quick scam. The reason I am here this minute is, I am writing e-bay about that guy with the 355 escrow trying to get him off e-bay before someone gets hurt. If you do not like the discussion on e-Bay related thigns, don't click the topic and continue down to the next one about fish license plate frames or waxes. You have a choice. You see e-bay in the heading, don't click on it! I found a car because someone posted a "look what is on eBay". I am thankfull they did, ebcuase I can not keep track with e-bay on 10 different models. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4996 Registered: 5-2001 |
There is plenty of good contribution. The reason why you can edit is so you can think about it again and delete it on second reading. I have done it numerous times. Since he has apologized for it, what is your point LWR? What more do you want him to do. | ||
| LWR (Lwr)
New member Username: Lwr Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2001 |
Don... I find your comments really offensive. The fact that you've tried to edit them out so that no-one would notice is even more offensive. Please point me to a thread where you've made a valid contribution... all I've seen recently is your flame-war with Tony, useless graphic images to keep your post count up and attempts to insult large portions of the population with generally unfunny and inciteful posts. Maybe you'd like to apologise to some of us inbred southern hillbillies (even the honorary ones like me)? LWR PS... I do have a VIN number... you can see it anytime... | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5649 Registered: 8-2002 |
mitchell. read my last post. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 572 Registered: 11-2001 |
quote: What is it with you inbreed hillbillys from the south? End of quote. This is going a bit too far Matt. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5644 Registered: 8-2002 |
Relax Guys, Where's the Ferrari love? I really did not mean to pick on Lucas. I am in a bad mood. Sorry Lucas. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 724 Registered: 11-2001 |
C'mon Matt, you're off-base here. It was a legitimate question and I think that Lucas has a valid point. Better to have all that junk in one place rather than in every other area of the board. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5643 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 254 Registered: 12-2002 |
Come on up from Mom and Dad's basement and get some fresh air, Donny, it'll do ya good. Luke. PS, I'm happy to see you have posting pictures all figured out. Maybe now you can work on creating some jokes of your very own? | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5642 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5641 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5640 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 252 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, Donny, would a thread debating whether or not you should shut up and get a life be on or off topic? Please, tell me, because if MULTIPLE threads taunting some Ferrari-less punk are OK but my suggestion isn't, it makes things soooo hard for me to keep straight... Luke. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1036 Registered: 10-2001 |
Don, I see your point. I thought Lucas meant a section for EBay Ferraris but now I see that may not be what he intended. We DO talk a lot about Ferraris and parts on EBay and I thought he wanted all that stuff in one section. It's still a good idea I think. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5635 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, There is nothing Ferrari related in the thread. Just Lucas tired of seeing ebay threads. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1035 Registered: 10-2001 |
Now Don, this is NOT off topic. Ferraris on EBay is a Ferrari related subject. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5632 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2002 |
Oh, and don't let me forget: f) look at what I saw on Ebay (and it makes me think the F-Car market is in (the shitter/rebound), what do you think? ) Luke. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1034 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'd love that! EBay is not the market per se but it's an important part of it. It would be fun to have all that stuff in one place. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Junior Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 250 Registered: 12-2002 |
I have neither the will nor the energy to count the percentage of FChat posts that retail to either: a) look at what I saw on EBay! (and its ugly, funny, strange, etc) b) look at what I saw on EBay! (and it's priced too cheep so think its a scam) c) look at what I saw on EBay! (and I'd like to buy it but I think it's a scam) d) look at what I saw on EBay! (and check out how much they want for it!) e) EBay sucks. ...but I find it all a bit overwhelming (and annoying). What about you all? Perhaps we need an EBay discussion area? Luke. |