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Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 1:11 pm: | |
I have the picture available for serioues inquiries only! |
Dave (Dave)
Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 536
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 5:56 pm: | |
Kenneth,
just because you have a "copy" of the title. Or even a few picts of an Enzo, does not mean that you have one to sell.....
Parden me, I'm starting to have one of my many flashbacks.... I'm remembering a time when I was one of the few people to stand up for a poster who was raffling off a Ferrari 360 to help a couple of charities.
He had pictures, and even a website.
He was in courtroom #1 on the 4th floor of the Durham County Judicial Building at 9am yesterday to appear before a district Judge...
Sooo... a word to the wise, If you really do have an Enzo to sell my appoligies for being rude,
and if you are trying to pull a fast one, leave this site now or I will make sure you bunk with Mr. Sawyerr. |
Mark PDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member
Username: Markpdx
Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 5:56 pm: | |
>>If Ken throws in a wax kit, i might reconsider...<<
Would that be for your bikini area? |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 25
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 5:12 pm: | |
I am dealing with the the original owner of the car. He is going to send me pictures of the car from his house. Team is not going to pay for the car at this time, without a deposit, because all of the buyers have been dealers saying they have buyers, and none of them want to send money. I am trying to cut out all of the dealers, and find the real customers they have for the car, who will be serious enought to sign a letter of intent, and send a deposit. I have a copy of the title. This should be enough proof to a buyer to know or realize it is a true car. The customer wants close to this price, because he has seen the others advertised for 1.5, and 1.3. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 1379
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:57 pm: | |
kenneth - can you please clarify whether or not TEAM now owns this car?
if not, how many brokers are in the deal as it stands? it sounds like you are dealing with a broker who may or may not be dealing with the owner?
doody. |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 24
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:40 pm: | |
well If someone is real on the car, like I am with having it available, then I will talk a good commission to the middle man. (The car is real, just need a real person to go with it). |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
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Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:36 pm: | |
I am recieving the pictures, and I just was bringing it to the top again!!, I have been busy, and just got back to the chat, to see what has been going on lately. I would like to just keep a good reputation on here, and I think alot of guys think we aren't advertising a real car. I should have pictures here this afternoon of the car. |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:32 pm: | |
If Ken throws in a wax kit, i might reconsider... |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2306
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:30 pm: | |
I DONT TRUST SOLICITORS HERE..THERE HAVE BEEN MANY AND LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH..
MY .02 CENTS..NOTHING PERSONNEL |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 449
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:27 pm: | |
Also, how much commission will you pay to anyone who brings you the deal? |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 22
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:26 pm: | |
You still won't buy it or don't buy the fact it is there for sure? |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 448
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:25 pm: | |
Kenneth,
have you paid to advertise on this board? A simple yes or no will do. |
CALIFORNIA HERE i COME...! (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 5297
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:23 pm: | |
LOL, Bruce...!
Hey, where's Bill with his legal disclaimer thingie...
Willie...? |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2305
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:20 pm: | |
I STILL DONT BUY IT........... |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 21
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 4:17 pm: | |
Have you guys calmed down in here a little bit? |
Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member
Username: Trhall
Post Number: 114
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 8:43 pm: | |
The Broker is paranoid that he would get cut out of the deal. Welcome aboard |
David Quinn (Artichoke)
New member
Username: Artichoke
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 8:39 pm: | |
Hi folks. I have been a lurker for a while and don't even own a Ferrari (yet), but I do enjoy reading and thinking about them. Now I have to ask about something I don't understand.
Why doesn't the seller (or broker) want to reveal the vehicle's VIN? Knowing a car's VIN doesn't help you steal the car, otherwise people wouldn't post the VINs of $300,000 cars on Ebay. Why does it matter how many or few Enzos are imported to the USA?
Thanks,
David |
Mark PDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member
Username: Markpdx
Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 7:07 pm: | |
It's hard to know just what is legitimate but I seem to recall a yellow Enzo being advertized a few months ago in the NYT for ~950K. Anybody else remember seeing it?
WM: If you don't mind I would be interested in knowing more about Black Imports / Rick Black. I see the prices are ummm... optimistic but I don't know anything about them and can't seem to find much. Thanks |
Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member
Username: Trhall
Post Number: 108
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 5:13 pm: | |
Kenneth, Monterey is only a month and a half away. I am sure you would have no problem selling it there.
Tyson
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Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 20
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 5:09 pm: | |
Just note that I have the car available, and I can't really shop it on our site, but the individual is not going to shop the car. He wants to go directly through us. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 5040
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 4:44 pm: | |
Mmmmmmmmmm, dreamy...  |
Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member
Username: Trhall
Post Number: 106
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 4:41 pm: | |
Kenneth, If you are selling an Enzo for 1.25 you should be prepared to have proof that the car exists. As far as a letter of credit through attorneys that is fine as long as the customer gets to choose a neutral lawer on your end. I don't believe you are trying to scam anyone and I wish you luck on selling the car. 
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Mike B (Srt_mike)
Member
Username: Srt_mike
Post Number: 276
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 4:37 pm: | |
Kenneth,
The problem is, people want to deal with someone who HAS a car.
For example, I know you (claim to) have an Enzo that you can buy. Ok. So I could go elsewhere and try to find my own buyer and claim I can get an Enzo. Someone else can read my post and go find their rich uncle who wants the Enzo, and now there are 3 or 4 middlemen in the deal. Who pays all of them? The buyer. And each and everyone one of them is hoping to make a lot of money on the deal.
First you have an Enzo coming... then you can get one, then you will be getting one tomorrow, then next week.
Of course people are going to be skeptical. If I was thinking of dropping $1.25MM on a car, I would *ONLY* be dealing with someone who HAD the car, available for inspection without any commitment, deposit, or anything of the sort.
But that's just my .02 |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1346
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 4:21 pm: | |
You know what?
I don't doubt this guy is getting an Enzo in his dealership.
My first post in the thread:
>>C'mon, cut the guy a break.
This might be a deal someone's been waiting for!<<
I just think he went about letting everyone know in a pretty crummy way.
Kenneth,
Don't act like we have to be privileged enough to "step up". This is a site for enthusiasts, and I agree with Faisal. There are a definitely some in this forum who could probably purchase the Enzo if they wanted to. There are also definitely some who don't put up with crappy attitudes irrespective of an Enzo deal.
Cheers |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 19
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 3:37 pm: | |
I have found that out by just talking to other dealers, that no one believes that anyone has a real car. I wouldn't goto the trouble if it wasn't for real. Because of all the scams running around it has put a bad name on us that really do have something, and I can't argue with that. I can undersatand, but it is really worth someones time to atleast make a call if they really are a buyer for the car, and that is all I am trying to state. I am not making a killing on the price that I have posted, so you can see why I need to trade a bill of sale with Vin, and copy of title for a deposit, to know someone is serious, and That is why I am willing to have Lawyers legally bind the deal, and right up and agreement.
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Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member
Username: Challenge
Post Number: 177
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 3:11 pm: | |
No, Kenneth, I don't have the money to "step up." Guess that makes two of us.
If you are brokering a real Enzo, I wish you good luck. But your earlier posts *APPEAR* to be extremely fishy. Two of many reasons is that you stated you weren't acting in a broker capacity. Now you are. You also started by stating the deal would happen in a day or two. Now it's next week (hopefully).
Do some searches around this site if you have time for "Chris Sawyerr," "fraud" or even "Jonas Peterson." (sorry Jonas) This site has seen its fair share of attempted scams and, as a result, certain people are highly skeptical.
Again, good luck with the sale. |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 18
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
Thanks Jim
We are going to stock the car, but we are hoping not for very long, Interest will eat it alive.
Now I guess we will own it, and it can go to the highest bidder. Now that might bring the price up a little more than I have offered you guys.
I have no room to talk about the money thing.As for myself I do not have the money to buy my own persoanl Ferrari of my choice. That is why i am trying to make a living selling cars.
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Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 17
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:42 pm: | |
Kevin,
Do you want to give me a deposit?
I have a copy of the title, but I told you guys I can't let you know the vin, because of the only 80 cars to the u.s That is pretty slim.
I will howevr take a picture just for you in front of our Team sign when the car gets here. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 1491
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:40 pm: | |
There are several guys on here with multiple F cars, some F40's, F50's and 1 enzo that I know of so some of us do have the money, but most do not.
Also for you guys that want the VIN. Don't you get it? He doesn't have the car yet. He is trying to get it, but wants a buyer asap to flip it to.
If I had the cash I would maybe want an enzo and would at least be worth a phone call. Some of you guys have acted way out of line in my opinion.
Kenneth: if you do get and want to sell the car post a FREE ad on ferrariads.com there is a link up above. |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 16
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:30 pm: | |
If you want the vin & pictures, I will get them. I have to fly out to get the car paid for, and I hope it will be next week. Our plans are for after the holiday to get there. We are making arrangements. I just think I am wasting my time if no one on here has respect for me having a real car, or if anyone has the money for the car. Prove me wrong please, and I will show you the real thing.
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Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 539
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:26 pm: | |
Mark,
Does that make them less legitimate
because you've never heard of them?
No, I was hoping someone on the west coast would
chime-in and give us a bit of info.
Didn't have time for their flash-web site
my work computer is slow. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 5008
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
LOL...! i don't know if i would... i'd hate for it to be misconstrued that i was interested merely because of a car...
...although the black one is, by far, favorite... Hmmm... Decisions, decisions...
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James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1907
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:22 pm: | |
Des
The Contessa's is Black and I'm sure her daughter who you saw last night would let you drive it... |
Greg (Teflon)
New member
Username: Teflon
Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:21 pm: | |
Mark,
Does that make them less legitimate because you've never heard of them? They are located in beverly hills and generally have several 360 spiders and a couple 550 barchettas in their showroom. The address and phone # are both listed. Give them a call or stop by the showroom and let us know if they are a real dealer. Thanks.
Greg |
Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member
Username: Challenge
Post Number: 176
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:20 pm: | |
I guess that title was out of reach (or out of state). hehehe
I'm done with ya. |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1373
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:20 pm: | |
Rick Black is pretty notorious.So are some of his prices. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 538
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:18 pm: | |
I just looked at autoweek. 4 of the Enzos ( one in
each color) are all offered by www.blackimports.com in CA I've never heard of them? |
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 5005
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:18 pm: | |
Mr. G. - i really want this car...
...can i mention your name...? |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
New member
Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 15
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:17 pm: | |
Good Bye guys thanks for your support!
I need to get back to work. I am glad to give you something to talk about. You guys know where it is if and when you get serious about it. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1906
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:15 pm: | |
Mark
If you look in this weeks Autoweek there are several being offered in the US. I agree that some may be scams but I suspect some are real.
Once again IMHO anyone who pays over list for any production car is going to suffer a capital loss.
In addition if you are serious I'd drive one first. One of sponsors has one for rent. One final thought. If you're really serious try your F dealer you may be surprised... |
Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member
Username: Challenge
Post Number: 175
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:15 pm: | |
I have an idea: take a f-----g pic of the car and give us the VIN!!!!!
It takes 5 minutes and will erase all doubts of FRAUD.
wm hart: Your posts are always right on!
-Kevin |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1345
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:06 pm: | |
I'm with Jim on the Bugatti.
It seems to be shaping up to be a kick ass ride.
Cheers |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1372
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:06 pm: | |
Yeah, i gotta say, this is hardly news. Nor is the car out of the league of any number of people. And, if i were interested in getting one, i doubt i would be responding to somebody i don't know, who posts for the first time here, offering the car as a broker. As for those who attribute negative comments regarding this behavior to jealousy or resentment or the lack of an extra million, i think you are missing the point. The guy is an intruder. If anybody really wants one of these cars, they are a phone call away, and i'm sure others here could verify that if you doubt it. |
RockStar (Remix)
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Username: Remix
Post Number: 42
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:05 pm: | |
So what? What's the big deal here? In a year, two or ten, you'll certainly be able to buy an Enzo from somewhere. Unless you absolutely must have this thing brand-spanking new, it's not really a "one time" offer.
My Russian and Swahili, for that matter, is just fine. As long as I don't try to speak either of them. |
Greg (Teflon)
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Username: Teflon
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
Mark,
Check the latest "Autoweek". There are 5 Enzos advertised in the online classifieds section right now. Those who were not one of the original 399 can find a car without too much difficulty.
Greg |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 537
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:03 pm: | |
I didn't think Ansgar's post had cars in the US |
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 510
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:59 pm: | |
Kevin,
While your point is a consideration, when dealing with world markets some of us may allow for such things as a curtesy.. (As one example) Goodness knows the formal Japanese businessmen have allowed the "clumsy Americans" much leeway at times during various business practices.
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
PS: will no longer read, nor contribute to this thread. Wish you and yours all the very best my friends.
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James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1904
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:57 pm: | |
Mark
IMHO the more interesting news is how many Enzo's are for sale.
Check out Ansgar's post. There are 9 offered at one dealer alone.
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Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member
Username: Challenge
Post Number: 174
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:52 pm: | |
I believe most millionaires (i.e. Enzo buyers) prefer to deal with someone who can communicate with proper English. It really adds to the credibility and differentiates you from 16-year-old dreamers when online. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 536
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:52 pm: | |
Hey Ken it must be a slow news day. I haven't
seen people fight over nothing, since Bill Clinton
asked what "is" means?
Face it guys, they made less then 400 Enzo's
We have a chance to buy what they said had all
been spoken for.
This is not an advertizing issue. This is a
special car and is very hot right now.
This falls under the catagory of news.
Even if its just hot entertainment news for all
of us without 1,000,000 or extra money sitting in
our bank account.
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James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 1903
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:48 pm: | |
Steve
For 1.3 you may want to consider the new Bug. It's faster and it's parent has won LeMans for the last several years... |
Kenneth David Mitchem (Kdave1031)
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Username: Kdave1031
Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:46 pm: | |
I am sorry you fell this way Faisal. All I did was put it out there for someone to recognize it, and I have never been in here before. You guys are the ones who started trying to make a deal out of it, I just expected someone to ask or inquire about the car, I didn't know everyone would try to debate the fact if it is real or not, You guys kind of put me on the spot, and I thought I held up pretty well. If anyone here is a serious buyer, they would have already spoke up and showed interest. Why should I believe you have someone for a car if you can't believe me? I am coming in this chat with trust and respect of others, and I just got ran down as I went furhter in.
Thank you to the guys who have tried to understand where I am coming from.
I did not have the intentions of trying ruin anyones day. |
Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1043
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:46 pm: | |
Kenneth, you seem to be windsocking a lot about this whole deal. Why not just ask if anyone here wants to pay $1.3 mil or so for a new Enzo? If you get a 'yes', a private phone conversation and a plane ticket would then follow. All this song and dance....very unprofessional especially for a seven figure deal. It just smacks of fraud. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1344
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:43 pm: | |
Ferrari UK is a sponsor. He can and should advertise as much as he wants.
Cheers |
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 509
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:35 pm: | |
Ok, my take on all this. (My soap box time, with apologies accordingly)
First, those of you who attack spelling/etc from someone who English may not be their first language... Shame on you! How is your Italian? German? Russian? Portuguese? Etc?
Second, he is new here and might not be familiar with the rules as he has seen others advertise things for sale. Ferrari U.K comes to mind as a constant "spammer".
Third, the price is what the price is. If you do not like it, oh well. The market will dictate accordingly and who are we to say an Enzo is worth X or Y. $1.25M may be about right. If he was asking $30M then...
Fourth, matters not if he is a broker IMHO. He has a connection to an Enzo. If you personally have a connection, that is wonderful. He is offering a service, just like other advertisers on this website. If you want to deal directly with Ferrari for cars, parts, etc, that is fine. (Rhetorical question) How many of you can say you ONLY buy ALL your parts from Ferrari direct?
i'll stop here. My apologies, yet if i had the cash in the bank you KNOW i would be seriously considering... Actually i would be BUYING the Enzo. Period. We are fortunate that we have found someone who has one for sale. It is not like we see them for sale and available at your local dealer... or all over the web. 308, 328, 360... sure they are all over the map. But an Enzo...
Not one to be Mr. Pure and Innocent, yet this thread is a bit embarrassing how we have behaved IMHO.
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
PS: and i TRULY do mean if i had the cash i WOULD BE buying the Enzo and, therefore, looking for one for sale. Good news is... it may happen shortly ThankYouVeryMuch. 'nuff said!
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