| Author | Message | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2708 Registered: 2-2001 |
maybe 10 years ago I heard F1 was working on a HUD for the drivers helmet where stuff would be projected right onto his face plate. Xyber has some cool stuff that might work with this | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2215 Registered: 1-2002 |
Bill Hart, LOL!!!! I have to agree with Kevin Marcus here. IMO, they are still gimmicks that make it easier to be a sloppy or inattentive driver. And they add unnecessary weight & electrical complexity. Now, again, this is in my opinion only. Please let's not turn this into a religious war!! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1493 Registered: 10-2002 |
Maintaining a speed I can afford the potential ticket of is my main motivation. So a HUD would be worthwhile. Anyway to repeat my question: Does a 308QV have a speed sensor or ECM? The link Aaron posted requires that to connect the HUD to: http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept%5Fid=35&pf%5Fid=494 | ||
| Ed Christophersen (Dr_c)
Junior Member Username: Dr_c Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2002 |
My parents bought a new 1955 Ford. It had a HUD. The speedometer had a clear plastic back to it. At night, the numbers were reflected off of the windshield so you could see your speed in your line of vision. It's been a long time, but I think that the Ford cost a good deal less than $2,000 brand new. | ||
| Izel K. (Ferrarist)
Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 268 Registered: 3-2001 |
I saw on TV that new BMW 5 series has HUD. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 183 Registered: 1-2003 |
I use my ears to tell me when to shift. My eyes tell me how fast I am going. Mine has a left foot clutch. Gauges are good when they tell me when to fill up or if something is wrong. Other than that, what good are they in driving. I guess I am old fashion. | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Junior Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 146 Registered: 5-2003 |
WillH: Caddy's "Night Driver" Infrared vision system is an option on some of their production sedans, too. Raytheon produces those, converted from military tech, as part of the deal when they bought Hughes Aircraft from G.M. One of the V.P.'s echoed much the same sentiments: The FLIR [Forward Looking Infra Red] pod is nice, but for Boston traffic, we need the Sidewinder missles too. The most ironic part is, the first time I drove my 328 to work, a union tech stormed over to demand to know how I could afford "a better car than the CEO". Due to the G.M. deal, the CEO had a Buick -- EVERYBODY has a better car.  | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 160 Registered: 9-2001 |
owning both ferraris and a z06 (which has the hud), I can say that while driving around town, the hud is nice. However, on the track, it's useless. One of my favorite instructors once told me, "pick the car you want to learn to drive and then cover the instrument panel and drive the track." In other words, the hud is nice if you want to make sur eyou're doing the 55mph or 25 mp h or "gee am i at 3500 rpm yet or whatever, but it's useless in a race environment because ultimately you should know your car well enough by sound, torque, feel and overall familiarilyt that you shouldnt need much more than an oil temp guage, fuel, and maybe pressure - which you should check while you're on the straights. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 642 Registered: 6-2002 |
While these aftermarket HUDisplays are cool, the real thing will present these data at a focal length of infinity - you see the data on the horizon without having to re-focus your eyes. Jim S. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1394 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gee, Willi, i didn't know you had something against hispanic people... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2703 Registered: 2-2001 |
Caddy had a HUD or some sort of night vision on its LeMans cars. Since HUDs are aircraft tech I cant see how they could be called gimmicky. Whart a missile lock system would be cool so I can blast moving chicanes out of the way  | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1474 Registered: 10-2002 |
Aaron, that link is awesome. So my next question: Does a 308QV have a speed sensor or ECM? I know I have an 8 cyl engine... | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 232 Registered: 8-2002 |
HUD is pretty awesome. If i decide to get a C5 next year it will have to be 99 up that was the first year it was offered as a option. To me it's a must.The C6 HUD is rumored to be quite impressive. I saw a guy that had his valentine 1 lights show up in the C5's HUD. Here's a link to a aftermarket HUD you can buy. http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept%5Fid=35&pf%5Fid=494 | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Junior Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2003 |
I was a bit disappointed when I saw slides of the Caddy "Night Driver". They only display across the bottom of the windscreen. I think they had hopes of overlaying a light enhanced image from the FLIR pod onto the "real" view. -- But getting the alignment and parallax right would probably drive it back to military price levels. If I recall correctly, there's a shift warning light at the top of the dash on F1 cars-- you can sometimes see it reflecting off the back of the steering wheel on the on-board camera views. I could see a heads-up shift indicator or tach, without calling it a gimmick. | ||
| david handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1139 Registered: 5-2001 |
The future of this technology can be seen at www.mvis.com/nomad/index.html The displays are still too large/bulky, but are continuing to get smaller and lighter. The US Army is working with Microvision to further develop this technology for helicopter pilots and tank commanders... Several medical companies see this as the future in "image guided surgery" too. Interesting stuff. Someday this stock may take off, but right now it is a loser... | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 396 Registered: 3-2003 |
There has to be a way to do it tastefully so it doesn't look glitzy. It is cool and modern and definitely useful. And electronics are reliable...it's electro-mechanical interfaces that aren't. There's no moving parts in this (except perhaps some switches to cycle between modes and settings) so as long as it's insulated and protected from water, noise, vibration, etc., it should work well. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1424 Registered: 12-2002 |
Cant forget airliners. HUDs are now seen on some newer generation airliners --cool stuff | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 540 Registered: 10-2001 |
F1 cars have them, fighter jets have them, and after driving a rental car with a HUD I have to say they are great! Gimmicky? No way, that is a lame answer. But I am glad Ferrari doesn't have them. Keep the cars simple.. Ferrari never has been know for its electronics... just another thing to fix. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2174 Registered: 1-2002 |
Gimmicky is right... William, just get a racer's shift light that you can mount on your a-pillar, steering column, or instrument pod... Works great. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 833 Registered: 4-2002 |
"How come the $50k Corvette has a HUD but the $750k Enzo doesnt ?" How come a mass market stereo ensemble has 100 buttons and nobs, while a true high end stereo has 5-8? | ||
| Ken Ghiringhelli (Kenny94945)
Junior Member Username: Kenny94945 Post Number: 68 Registered: 12-2002 |
I have a Vette with HUD and the color is all blue: mono. Contrary to Ferrari comment about gimmick...a shift light would be great. Racing Ferrari's have color coded shift lights on the steering wheel yes? Utilizing that rpm light bar higher up in the windshield ala HUD would be a great tool. Dare I say the lights in the steering wheel are more of a gimmick? However, this set up is more than likely lighter in weight. The speedometer is valuable only for avoiding traffic tickets (monitoring pit lane speed) or impressing yourself with high speed readings. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 435 Registered: 12-2001 |
William, About 2 years ago I wrote a letter to the editor of FORZA asking if Ferrari had plans to put HUDS in certain cars. They talked to Ferrari and prinbted my letter in Forza with the response that Ferrari considered HUDs to be sort of gimmicky and that they take away from the experience of having the driver be one with the car. I had the same HUD as the Vette in my old Pontiac Grand Prix and I loved it. Thought I would never buy a car without it, but now that I have my E55 I don't miss the HUD, but I would not mind having another one in a later car. | ||
| melo yelo (Meloyelo)
Junior Member Username: Meloyelo Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2002 |
Crawford, A HUD takes some instrumentation - such as speed and RPMs - and projects it up onto the windshield in the drivers line of sight. That way they do not have to look down to the gauges to see their speed or RPMs. Works very well on the vette. my | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 112 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ah, yes....thanks. That would be great to have. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1380 Registered: 12-2001 |
Willi: Go for the optional targeting system, and bogey alert status display. Works wonders on crowded roadways. Crawford- adapted from fighter jets, they are moving so fast, and don't have time to look at instruments or weapons control displays on the "dash." Thus, there are virtual images of these things displayed on a semi-reflective screen as you look thru the front window of the cockpit. I think Grumann developed this, but i'm not sure. Ergo, 'Heads-UP'... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1465 Registered: 10-2002 |
Always loved that Vette's HUD. Would be really cool and practical to have that in your race car. Anxious to see some pictures/description when you get it going. Never quite understood, why not every sports car has one. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1915 Registered: 10-2002 |
Congrats! | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2003 |
What's a heads up display?? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2694 Registered: 2-2001 |
How come the $50k Corvette has a HUD but the $750k Enzo doesnt ? That said I may install a HUD from a Vette or a Caddy in my race car. The shop says the race car will be ready for its debut at Lime Rock July 10-12. I'm so excited I cant wait |