| Author | Message | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 196 Registered: 3-2002 |
decision for me will be 1st mag test of 360s vs gt3 on track. hope ferrari can win but have doubts despite reported 45 hp advantage over pcar | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2712 Registered: 2-2001 |
Porsche vs Ferrari, Hmmm. Which is better ? Thats a loaded question  Most Ferraris have been better looking than most Porsches, of course thats highly subjective and there are exceptions on both sides. As far as engineering, well Dr Porsche was an engineering genius, Enzo was not. Porsches were more mechanically sophisticated in the past, now they seem to be about even. Ferrari had a better race history until the late 60s & Porsche had a better race history from 1970 to about the 1990s. I usually prefer Ferraris but its hard to say they are better | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2003 |
Mark, if you get a chance, drive a C4 or a Twin Turbo. The AWD does make a difference. And the TT is the smoothest turbo that I have ever driven. Yeah, I know that the die hards gripe about the water cooled engine, but they need to get over it. You don't need to be an engineer to understand why water cooling is so much better. Hurbert: I do blame Porsche for being chicken poop with respect to the Boxster. Anybody who doesn't do their very best in everything that they do deserves to be flamed. All a Boxster needs is real motor and watch out F-cars! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1002 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>NSX,355,308,MR2<< Those are all mid-engine, unlike the 911. I don't know. People say that the 996 is soft, uninspiring, etc. And it's true that many "purists" don't acknowledge the 996 and 986 as "real" porsches, but I still think the 996 chassis is more forgiving than the 993, and that overall the car is more neutral -- there was some development in the chassis from the 993 to the 996. The reason why many in the pcar camp blow off the 996 is that the drivertrain (engine, gearbox, etc) is a unit only used in the street car, is "sealed" in the sense that rebuilding the gearbox/motors is somewhat prohibited by the respective internal architetures, and that only the 996TT, GT 2 , and GT 3 ( all three of those engines are built off a design based upon the old air cooled block) drivertrains are used in racing. Also, the fact that Porsche does not provide factory backing to the GT 3R's and Supercup cars, also turned off a lot of enthusiasts to the new line of cars. The 986 is discounted by the new "obtuse" owner population that bought into the the image of porsche ownership, and the fact that the 986 isn't even considered useful in any type of racing (even though there are plans to release a "clubsport" boxster.) At the end of the day, either a 993 or 996 with pss9's, supercup exhaust, and 18x8 front and 18x 11, GT 3 seats, and a decent wheel ( I hate the 993 4 spoke wheel) would make a hell of a track/everyday sports car. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 546 Registered: 10-2001 |
I had a volkswagen beetle in High School. I guess the 911 has always reminded me of that shape. I don't like the turtle look. Its not sexy. Last year, I drove a 2001 Carrear 911 just for the heck of it. Car did not feel like NSX,355,308,MR2 I know it has a rear engine, but I didn't get any go-cart feel. I felt like I was driving a Lexus LS400 nice and comfortable, but dead in sports car feel. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1467 Registered: 12-2002 |
Brilliantly said Jack! That quote is hilarious but so true too | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1081 Registered: 3-2002 |
When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, it was basically Ferrari and Porsche, with the occasional photo of a Lambo popping up. That's why I think I liked P-cars more back then, because they were one of the only true sports cars around, plus they weren't as commonplace as now. Like a co-worker blurted out when looking at the SI Swimsuit issue: "You know, for every one of those chicks, there's some guy that's tired of f***ing her!" Crude, I apologize, but the point is when you see something everywhere you look, it begins to lose its appeal. | ||
| Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member Username: Aehaas Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2003 |
Some Porsche models occasionally attract a crowd. All Ferrari models always attract crowds. Let the masses speak. Porsche is great in many ways but if you gave me the choice of any current product from Porche or any from Ferrari... Who would not take a 360 or a Maranello? aehaas | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2003 |
Well, I guess that, "it depends." After my recent road trip, I have decided to get back in real GT touring. You know, driving a sports car cross country with,"no particular place to go." A one-to-two-three week road trip where the only time to go on the Interstate is when you gotta cut your losses by getting from here to there quickly. However, once you get to a great driving area, you just start exploring. Hell, I may even try camping. Imagine that! Camping in a Maranello, ha, ha, ha! You see, us old bike guys think that a sports car is like a mini winnie. Space, space? Man, you've got acres of space. Getting back to the point, which car would I rather take on an extended road trip? My Porsche C4 is delightful because it is such a no brainer car. You just know that it will start up in the morning, and the afternoon, and the evening. I haven't taken the Maranello on a road trip yet, but the idea intrigues me. Imagine pulling up to a road house somewhere in central Texas in a silver Maranello. Or maybe deep into the Colorado rockies, or.... My concern is whether I would be too worried about something going wrong with the car to enjoy the trip. All those tiny little values doing their tiny little value thing. We'll see, eh? | ||
| John C (Racer_x)
New member Username: Racer_x Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2003 |
Race versions are one thing, but the average passenger Porsches vs. Ferraris are different. Not only in speed, but build quality. The older 993/922/944.928 and before are great, but the 996, I hate it. The quality is horrible. The typical "chunk" of the bank valult door closing is gone with the 996 and Boxters (most now made in Finland). The sheetmetal is thinner and the dash is covered cardboard. My passenger door failed, the cabriolet latch, inoperative, check engine light, premature worn leather, etc... I will never purchase Porsche again unless the bump up their quality. With the Ferrari, the immence improvements in astounding (esp with some push on the 348s by the NSX). They should take the phrase from Lexus, "relentless pursuit of perfection." There was a time when Porsche chose their leather sections based on the age and flank/abdomen/etc. of the cow and placed thicker regions in areas of seat stress. Now, it feels like cheap leather (supple leather option is slightly better). To quote my Porsche mechanic, "I'm sorry Porsche sold their soul for profit." | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 193 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wow, there's a very high meathead quotient over there. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 526 Registered: 6-2002 |
THE SOUND alone from the F355 just *gets* me in a way no other car ever will. Peroid. No one can deny that Porsches are excellently fast and well engineered. But you won't find me up late at night fantasizing about one. The 355 alone on the other hand, has been a defineing expierence and force in my life | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1400 Registered: 12-2001 |
This saturday, is it? Maybe, don't know what's happening. Let's corro. by email. I might. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1067 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hey Will, are you going to convoy with James and I to Lime Rock? Have an open seat? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1395 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nice post (on Kenny's board) Terry Springer. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1462 Registered: 12-2002 |
Its all up to peoples opinions. Does there have to be a "number one" brand or can we all just appreciate them equally? In my young life I have learned that in debates like this, there is no right answer. So, just enjoy both I prefer Ferraris for reasons I cant understand...but I would like to add a 356 to my stable in the future. Does that make me hypocritical? Nope, just appreciative of both brands | ||
| Peter (Bubba)
Member Username: Bubba Post Number: 493 Registered: 5-2002 |
Having just jumped into Porsche ownership, I have to say that both makes have their own merits. Ferrari has the upper hand in terms of looks, uniqueness, driving experience, and brand. Porsche has reliability under its belt, though the driving experience is pretty good. They look good too (I like pre-996 911s), but will never match Ferrari's looks. All in all, both are good cars to have. They just fulfill different needs. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1939 Registered: 10-2002 |
They are both great marques. To me it's an undefineable question of personal taste. I think Allan said it well: "Other than that, and its tough to explain, i'd rather drive a much slower Lambo or Ferrari. " | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
Junior Member Username: Litig8r Post Number: 192 Registered: 6-2001 |
As I've said before, the difference between a Porsche owner and a Ferrari owner is that Ferrari owners don't want Porsches. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 840 Registered: 4-2002 |
">>Its just that they have never made a body* I would want to be seen in! << Really? " Yes really--its me and my eye--and I don't blame anyone for having a different opinion. But for me, the 911 in all guises from 1965 has just left me flat, the 914 was ug-friggin-ly, 924/944/964 almost tollerable, 993 was as close as they have come in a long time on a road going car. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 640 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have always said that Porsches offer the best performance and reliability of any car. My old Porsche could make over 700rwhp, on pump gas, much more on race gas, run 9's in the quarter, top 220mph and be daily driveable with the a/c on. Other than that, and its tough to explain, i'd rather drive a much slower Lambo or Ferrari. Im also relating this to a much modified Porsche, because ive raced several X-50 Porsches in the Diablo, and beaten them pretty well on the highway. I dont want to hear the crap about the "race on the racetrack" because i dont track race my cars. If you could only own one car, and it was your daily driver, grocery getter, race car etc, your only choice is a Porsche. | ||
| Kds (Kds)
New member Username: Kds Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2003 |
Porsche can make a claim that NO OTHER MANUFACTURER can........ Porsche has Won the 24 Hours of LeMans "OUTRIGHT"....not class victories which are important too, but overall "victory"...more times than ANY OTHER manufacturer in the history of this world famous race. Ferrari is a distant second.......and nobody else even comes close....especially the ricers with their one hit "marketing" wonders. Both Porsche and Ferrari make great cars......kinda like chocolate and vanilla....and we all like ice cream...just different flavors from time to time. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 655 Registered: 4-2002 |
WEll, I dont think I can help. I own 2 Ferraris and 1 Porsche... and have owned many Porsches in the past. I love the F-cars and think they represent automotive passion like no other, but they represent the emotional. Porsche represents excellence in the reality. There is no better engineering or build quality than what came out of Porsche before they went "corporate" (after about 1998 the company went into the toilet and now they may as well be Japanese). If I want to marvel at how a car looks or sounds or is fun to drive in a purely physical way... the Ferrari is great. If I want rock solid reliability, smart engineering and performance as measured in track position or lap times... the only choice is Porsche. Each of these is important and equally valid. The only solution is to own the best from each make. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1886 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Its just that they have never made a body* I would want to be seen in! << Really? Nothing wrong imo with DP 935's, 959's, 930's, 906's, 904's, 550's, | ||
| BJ (Bjkim)
Junior Member Username: Bjkim Post Number: 121 Registered: 10-2002 |
I don't own neither car. However, I prefer Ferrari, because it has better engine sound, looks(personal subjective), heritage, and etc. The most credit I give a Ferrari is sound of Engine. That's why I prefer Ferrari over any other Exotics. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 837 Registered: 4-2002 |
Porsche makes great engines, stiff chassis, compliant suspensions; Its just that they have never made a body* I would want to be seen in! *Road car--now give me a 917--and we can talk. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3236 Registered: 6-2001 |
hahaha. says im banned, gotta spoof the ole' IP. you really have a logical, mature discussion going on over there. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1066 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mind if I quote you guys? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2216 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hubert: you are spot-on, and this applies to ALL marques... Allan, are you listening? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 995 Registered: 1-2002 |
Umm, porsches uncouth 6 (in gt 2, gt 3 or TT x50 trim) will walk all over the casually smooth ferrari 12'S and 8's. then again, poseurs usually have to reassure themselves of their trophy purchases by downgrading anything that doesn't bear the marque that's "displayed" in their garage. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Junior Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 186 Registered: 1-2003 |
I forgot my user name on your site. The answer to your question is simple. Porsche is not as smooth with their 6 as Ferrari is with their 12. A smoother running car is always better. Any other questions? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1065 Registered: 8-2001 |
This time on my site, and they have requested that some current f-car owners come over and explain why Ferrari's are "better". http://www.exoticcarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7744&perpage=10&pagenumber=1 Enjoy! (Rob, not spam at all but if you don't feel this is appropriate, you can delete this.) |