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KCCK (Kenneth)
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Username: Kenneth
Post Number: 464
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 5:58 am: | |
It is always very gratifying to hear something nice being said about the 456, no matter what.  |
PSk (Psk)
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Username: Psk
Post Number: 738
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 5:43 am: | |
Frank,
quote:Psk, the Maserati Coupe is competition for the F456 not the F550/575.
Why?
Just because they both are 2+2s?. What I have been saying all along is that designing a great big huge car like the 550/575 and ONLY making it a 2 seater is daft, and I repeat, must be close to the most space inefficient design currently made today. Why buy one, when you can buy a 456 and get the v12, plenty of performance and 2 extra seats. 456 wins hands down, thus I was wondering if the Maserati as it is a 2+2 is taking sales away from the 550/575 ... as I surely am not the only person who cannot see the sense in having a front engineed (modern) Ferrari that ONLY has 2 seats. Understandable when they were the peak of road technology, but not acceptable anymore.
Come on Frank think laterally, Ferrari aren't perfect, after all they made the rediculous 550 Barchetta ...
Thus the Maserati is competion to any front engined sporting car ... not just 2+2s.
Pete
ps: And please don't post performance figures as I (and 90% of grown up buyers) could not give a flying •••• if the Ferrari is 0.5 of a second faster to 200 mph |
KCCK (Kenneth)
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Username: Kenneth
Post Number: 456
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:41 am: | |
Longest thread? I am afraid that there is still quite some way to go to beat that target.
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adrian low (Audionut)
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Username: Audionut
Post Number: 290
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:58 pm: | |
Ditto! lol |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 2106
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 2:38 pm: | |
I have nothing to say, but need to be sure I'm part of the longest thread in F-Chat history. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2718
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 9:02 am: | |
This months AutoItalia magazine has several articles on the history of Lamborghini as well as info on its old and new line of cars. Hey, I like them and may even consider buying one one day. The Miura is BEAUTIFUL ! Ferarri and Lambo are both great Italian cars . The competition from the two marques' owners is what helped develope what we now call the "supercar" . IMHO without Lambo, we would not now have had cars like the Ferrari Boxers, TRs, and 550/575s. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Post Number: 2717
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:35 am: | |
Psk, the Maserati Coupe is competition for the F456 not the F550/575. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 712
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 6:38 pm: | |
Oh on the Maserati front, that car is absolutely appalling. No style, no performance, nothing whatsover going for it. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 711
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 6:38 pm: | |
I remember this quote from one of the magazine tests comparing the 328 and the Jalpa "If Magnum had to chase villains fleeing in a Jalpa, he might as well park the Ferrari" lol
By the way, before you get all disgruntled, i prefer the 308/328 to the Jalpa. Wouldnt mind both though. |
PSk (Psk)
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Username: Psk
Post Number: 726
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 6:10 pm: | |
That would be interesting James!
Does anybody think that the new Maserati Coupe thingy might actually be taking sales away from the F550?. The Maserati has got just about everything that the Ferrari has and (I think) it is 2+2.
Pete |
James Lee (Aventino)
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 5:53 pm: | |
Maybe the last time there were cars from Ferrari and Lambo both with around the same specs was the 328 Vs Jalpa. Road and Track did a comparison test on them back in the mid '80's. Anyone remember the outcome?
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RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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Post Number: 207
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:10 pm: | |
Welcome back Allan. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 708
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:02 pm: | |
Ralph, my Ferrari's are second string undoubtedly! |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5194
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 1:33 pm: | |
I think Modman is the only one here that I accept as a source of competable info on this Lambo/Ferrari subject.
He knows what he is talking about.
The only beef I have with your comments Modman is, that you are comparing a 1999 Lambo to a 1990 348TS, which is not the same or compatible car. You would have to compare a 1999 F550 to the Lambo and youy will see a lot of thrust there as well compared to the 348. Still not the same as the Diablo.
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Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Post Number: 499
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
So Taek-Ho is the Ferrari a second
car for the Lamborghini owners ???
As in second string ? LOL
Don't answer that one. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
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Username: Modman
Post Number: 658
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
Hey James Lee, until the CL65 comes out I love the current model and it has plenty of power anyway, I never knew how they would top the old CL55 but they did with all the goodies like shift on the wheel, supercharged, autostart on the shift knob, huge brakes, etc. etc., real super nice! The vision is cool but I like the luxury coupe for it's purpose that it serves well for me. I can't think too much on cars these days as I've been focusing on business as they say no business, no cars, no fun.... cars have been such a waste of money for me so it's time to settle down for a while, I already have more than what I need... |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1556
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:49 pm: | |
Hmmm...
Allan seems to always be getting me into trouble in these threads. It's tough to be a Lamborghini fan on this site.
Assclown may have been out of line if unwarranted, but comments of Lamborghini drivers, gold chains, and certain pics are completely out of line. My dad used to drive a Lamborghini, to put things in perspective. Generalizations like that get us all in trouble. Funny thing is that most of the Lamborghini owners I know also own a Ferrari.
As for the B. Hart and J. Glickenhaus comment. These are two members who make the site worth your while. Whenever Allan steps out of the woodwork with comments that get the thread in hot water, they seem to succeed in putting it in back on track.
So, no worries Rick.
Cheers |
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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Post Number: 206
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:04 pm: | |
Bill, there is absolutley no hard feelings here. now Allan is a different story! |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:48 am: | |
Germans? Pearl Harbor? |
KCCK (Kenneth)
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Post Number: 455
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:36 am: | |
Defending Ferraris? |
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Post Number: 494
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:27 am: | |
Bashing Lambo's ? |
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart
Post Number: 1460
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:23 am: | |
Rick: i agree. I guess my point, if you don't know Taek, is that he is a pretty "fair and balanced" guy; Taek, Rick is also a known quantity. So, would you guys kiss and make up, so we can get back to bashing Lambos and Allan? Best regards to both of you. |
"The Don" (The_don)
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Post Number: 5993
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:23 am: | |
dast ist longvileg. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5189
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:21 am: | |
Ach So.....!
Arsch Spassmacher
Ja ja, ich Verstehe! |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 9:16 am: | |
Martin,
AssClown = der Archh Spa�macher
LOL
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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5187
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:53 am: | |
"The guy that built a 1989 348 ch transmission "
Ah....now I understand  |
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:46 am: | |
Bill, i should also add that i have no problem with anyone not liking or disliking Ferrari or Lambo, who cares? there are more imporant things in life, but i do not appreciate being called names. |
"The Don" (The_don)
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Post Number: 5990
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:41 am: | |
Martin
quote:I still don't know what ASSCLOWN means?
Can someone please tell a German immigrant?
The guy that built a 1989 348 ch transmission |
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:39 am: | |
Taek-Ho = Class Act. |
p8ge (P8ge)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:39 am: | |
W.M
What is wrong with a little humor? I would defend myself as well if i was called an assclown. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5186
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:37 am: | |
I still don't know what ASSCLOWN means?
Can someone please tell a German immigrant? |
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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Post Number: 204
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:33 am: | |
Bill, if you read the thread again i was clearly not the one to start calling Taek names such as assclown. i got on him and not Allan because Allan did not call me names and was merely making his point . what did you expect me to do? There is a big difference in nominating someone for the FNA president and being called an ASSCLOWN! |
James Lee (Aventino)
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Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:26 am: | |
Modman, would your preference be changing to the CL65. 612 bhp is unbelievable for a big coupe especially with the SLR just round the corner. With more aluminium content to bring overall weight down as well it makes me wonder where it's all going to end. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Post Number: 5183
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:23 am: | |
I second that Bill! |
wm hart (Whart)
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Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:15 am: | |
Rick: What's up? (Weren't you originally on the ferrarilist?) Not sure where you come out on this debate. I reread the thread to see what you guys are fighting over, and maybe i missed it. You nominated Taek as VP with Allan at the helm, presumably because Taek echos Allan's sentiments. But, Taek is pretty balanced, pretty fair, and not as caustic as Allan. So, i guess you pissed Taek off, he took his assclown shot at you (where is Dave?) and things degenerated from there....
But, i'm curious to know what the substantive point is on the cars. As for decency, well, let's leave that out. The Allan threads always get personal, and i'm not just blaming Allan for that; but, it seems to bring out the worst in all of us.... |
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:00 am: | |
Taek, tha's nice you are starting to kiss some ass around here. oh Where is Bill Hart? what an a-hole you are! go get a life moron. oops sorry i meant Ninja. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
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Post Number: 657
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 4:47 am: | |
Truly amazing, it really is, this post was the longest I have ever read, stupid, but was interesting so I read most of it and some I flew by due to its stupidity. Amazing to see the battles between the two cars which I really don't care for opinions on what anyone thinks of them, at least I had have the opportunity to experience cars of many types and nothing beats the experience of owning them then reading up on them or hearing what others think of them because I see them differently from real driving experiences. I can tell you from my experiences on my choices and some will agree and some will differ. When I was young growing up I loved Ferrari for it's looks and everything else was second to it due to because I felt it had the performance to match it anyway, I knew of Lambo back then but wanting one was not near a reality as a Ferrari that I wanted was so as I grew older the Ferrari was the first choice because it was the next affordable exotic but not my personal favorite choice if I had more money at the time. The Ferrari was nice but the problems it had and the money I put into it for repairs puts it into a piece of •••• category, the few things I liked about it was the sound and the handling. My next car ended up to be a 99 Diablo with no money spent on repair labor and has been much more reliable over any prior Italian made car I've owned in the past, the brute power speaks for itself which is a whole new experience for me and with the sound that it makes is nothing to ever forget, yes the car cannot handle anything near like the Ferrari did but the car is treated and driven differently too, I love romping on the car and the looks is stunning. I love racing and missed it when the Ferrari was gone so I picked up something worth tracking and can be driven on a daily basis so the S2000 was purchased and it is much more fun and more balanced than the Ferrari I had and I felt more confident and not have to worry about wrecking and exotic car so this made more sense to me. What's a good car for the road? well to me a good car for the road has to be comfortable, powerful, looks good, handle good, good ergonomics, has components that makes your driving a good experience, well to me that has to be the Benz. If I had to choose only one car as a daily driver of all the cars made in the world that I can attain it would be the CL55, drive one, own one and your whole thoughts of other types of cars will change your whole view of car ownership. What car for the money can give all of this? I can't think of any that can satisfy my needs. German build quality is really good and I prefer it over anything that's built in this world and this comes from experience working on all types of vehicles, yes there are some bugs to be worked out on the computer electricals but other than that they are almost perfect in every way. You can bash all you like on how bad a Lambo or Ferrari is but in reality they are both bad in many ways and good in some, but much less overall in the reality of total satisfaction. For $130K you cannot throw me a better car than the CL55, not Ferrari, not lambo, not any car in the world but that is the reality for me, just think about it. If I had the extra money for something that just plain doesn't make sense spending money on but just for looks and sound then yes and Italian made car fits the scene, but other than that there are several other cars that will outperform them in the most important areas. Interesting enough that from going to track events and seeing on the streets most Ferrari and Lambo owners I've seen only know how to drive fast straight and that's it, it sometimes make me feel embarrased owning one but when I drive my car I don't think or care what people think, I drive for me while others can only think or imagine what they feel about it, they will never have the opportunity for experience and that is why there is so much jealousy and childish attitudes coming elsewhere, that is for damn sure. But to get back to this debate what is this racing heritage all about? I doubt the majority of the owners will ever become one with the car and besides most of the road cars will never be driven like the challenge cars , give it a shot, wreck it and you'll see. Try driving it with slicks as a daily driver.The way I look at it if you're buying a Ferrari for it's racing heritage buy it for racing on the track, put slicks on it, put a roll bar, don't buy it for posing on the streets, now that's posing. When I got my Ferrari going through the stages before completing it and changing it's street use at least I made holes in the panels and bolted racing seat belts and changed the seats out for track use, I later was going to get the roll bar and so on but before I finished I was still after my next desire so that ended soon and besides I realized if I was going to track a car it had to be realistically expendable and in my mind I couldln't face that with the Ferrari so that all changed. My S2000 is realistic for track use and it definately outperformed my former Ferrari and with the upgrades I've done to it, it will humiliate a lot of cars on tight courses. Bottom line is you can't share what you haven't experienced. Cheers, peace, whatever, spend some time on the road but don't give up your priorities. |
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:00 am: | |
Toyota Corolla ?
"Oh what a feeling." |
PSk (Psk)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 1:55 am: | |
James,
Yeah that is cool and I understand your position, but this thread turned into what direction Ferrari should be going towards.
Thus you (and many others by the sounds) want Ferrari to produce cars that are ineffective as road cars, and on top of that ineffective as track cars ... which is what compromise means.
I in the other end want Ferrari to return to its true goals, that made the brand so great (to me anyway) and that is they produce no compromise cars and if you do not like it tough sh!t.
The only way to ensure that, is for Ferrari to return to producing racing cars, and thus compete proudly on the race circuits of the world again ... and with these cars (like they did in the old days) they do not have to worry about safety regulations and other BS that inhibits a cars performance.
Then so we can all pretend that we are part of this scene, we can by a road car version that is designed for great performance on a road ... which is exactly what most of the 60's 250 cars were, ie. the 250 GT 2+2, very much a road car ... but with many components shared with the full on race cars like the 250 LM ... thus you can dream that you are Surtes drifting through a corner to win Daytona, etc.
What we have currently is:
F550, that is some sort of throw back to old front engine Ferraris and thus we have built a fantastic car that is super fast (why???) that is lost IMO somewhere in the middle. Thankfully Prodrive built a full race version which has about 20% Ferrari in it, and man it looks awesome, but the road car is trying to be to many things to to many people. The 456 technical (from a designers point of view) was a better road car ... because you could actually take your friends for a ride too.
F360, nearly as fast as the F550 and killing its sales. 100% proof that you do not have to build the fastest car in the world to find very happy buyers ... and much closer to the correct goals that Enzo set. Atleast you could dream of F1 glory with the engine spinning away behind you and the paddle shift, etc.
Enzo, piece of technical mavel that proves absolutely nothing for Ferrari. It is not the fastest nor will it continue to be the fastest by next year, or month. Exactly the reason why FIAT or maybe the President of Ferrari needs to be sacked. This should have been a race car, and the company should have the balls to stand up to defeat like they used to and not lower themselves to trying to build a 200 mph road car ... because there is no such things as a perfect road car and a perfect race car rolled in to one. Far more credible to me would have been demonstrating how technically clever Ferrari still is on the race track where all that wonderful technology has a purpose. McLaren tried and we all know the revisions that they made for the racing one ... and also the corner roll compromises made to attempt to make it tolerable on the road.
As an ex-engineer, why bother trying to make something that at its core is going to be such massive compromises that you are always going to have missed the mark. We know nowadays what is required to make a successful racing car, and we also know what is required to make a great road car ... they are not one and the same thing. Times have changed. Back in the 60's you could get away with driving the latest racing creation on the road ... but look at what it was. Take the 250 GTO for example, and extremely simple car, that is now out teched by the latest Toyota Corolla. Like I have said times have changed.
Thus in conclusion, you cannot get in any modern day car and have any REAL connection with Ferrari run racing activities, and thus that major selling point built Ferrari to where it is today via the 250 series is gone ... but so easily could be brought back, if they stop putting the Ferrari logo on everything that moves, and making stupid road cars like the Enzo, and realise that their most successful brand selling point was racing, and not just F1, but selling racing cars to privateers like Porsche do. This is how the dream and fantasy of the no compromising racing manufacturer Ferrari was created ... not with super fast road cars.
This is all just my opinion, and I am a no compromise person. But everytime I track a car, I'm thinking gee a little more work in this area and she would be a quarter of a second faster per lap, and so on ... thus you very soon end up with a 100% track car, so why not buy a 100% track car in the first place. But when I buy a road car, I want to be able to out accelerate most cars so that I can pass in safety, and I want a classy looking car, but I could not give a flying pig if it does 150 mph or 250 mph as it is a road car, and in the end when I drive from Sydney to Melbourne that extra power will not make 1 second difference, or make the drive any more enjoyable at all.
Pete |
James Lee (Aventino)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:44 am: | |
PSK, I don't necessarily want to race to win, I want to enjoy myself and drive the car at a level on the track that I'm happy with. Besides which, racing to win can be a never ending spiral of costs. The whole reason track days are so big in the UK is because people want somewhere to drive their cars in a manner that wouldn't be acceptable on the streets. And I can't afford to have two of them, it's bad enough saving up for one. |
PSk (Psk)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:09 am: | |
And why live with this compromise ... who are you beating???
Ferrari should make race cars, and road cars. You race to win, or play with your road car ... why try and have both.
Pete |
James Lee (Aventino)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 11:23 pm: | |
PSK, But on road tyres I can take the F40 to the track and it won't be as nasty on the limit as if it were on slicks. Trailers mean a lot more mucking about and I can't be bothered with it. Plus you can find a nice twisty piece of road and have fun without way exceeding the speed limit and there are still places on this earth where you can thrash a vehicle on the open road, I want a car for Targa's and track days and hillclimbs and sunday blasts. One car. Something like the stradale 360 should do this all perfectly. You don't need rock hard suspension, or strictly competition pads, The only limit is what you are prepared to put up with on the road to gain on the track, jarring suspension, peaky motor, straightcut gears, whatever. It's all about compromise.
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PSk (Psk)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 10:09 pm: | |
James,
quote:And PSK what's wrong with the F40 as a road and track machine?
Hmmm, again I love the F40, but if I was fortunate to ever own one I would not waste it driving at the legal limit to work and back, or on tours. You would only be experiencing 10% of the possible driving experience ... thus I would buy a trailer, stick it on the back, chuck some slicks on her and enter some racing series and really find out what the F40 is about.
Owners of a F40 who have never tracked the car and actually driven the car, have no comprehension of what the car is really about at all. How could anyone driving a F40 at 60 km/h (legal limit in town in Australia) or even at 110 km/h (open road limit in Australia) possibly know what this car is about. And if they do they are f**ken irresponsible and should be locked up as it could be my family and I in the car coming the other way that you are about to kill!
That is what I am saying James. This supercar crap is just irresponsible because even Allan has to give his almightly Lambo a stick full to gauge what it is all about ... because no race prepared car at legal speeds is anywhere near the same driving experience. It will be too hard sprung and uncomfortable ... the steering will be heavy (maybe) and dead, and the brakes without heat in them will feel like wood.
Thus why make a 200 million miles per hour Ferrari (or Lambo) that is road registerable. No body can legal do that.
Therefore IMO Ferrari should go back to its roots, and tell FIAT to f**k-off with this supercar BS and make 2 types of cars:
1. Race cars that are designed for current sportscar series. Comes ready to race and NOT road registerable (at the current time) like the P4 was.
2. Road cars like the 456 and the 246 Dino where you can experience the fine engineering and better than normal performance, BUT do not have to have the inferiority complex of not having the latest and greatest and maybe fastest supercar piece of crap on the road . Leave this problem to Allan and his Lambo mates
Even Ferrari has a responsibility to the rest of the community.
Pete
Note: Yep I speed, yep I have clocked double the speed limit on a road I will not name and where, and so on. Even hit 3 digits in mph with a trailer out the back with a race car on it ... but I have also raced cars and realise how immature and rediculously stupid it is because:
* Until the laws change and most countries actually educate drivers, some dickhead coming the other way can only just keep is car on the road. This is unfortunately why we have speed limits ... for the incapable.
* I now have children and they have no comprehension of cars and their approach speed ... thus when their ball rolls on to the road and I cannot get to them fast enough, I do not want some Ferrari to cut them in half because the guy was trying to play M. Schumacher down my street.
Yes I still speed, but no longer the extreme stuff I used to when younger. And yes I love driving but a good car that communicates to the driver can be fun driving at sane speeds to ... one does not have to top 200 mph to know a car is good, or win street races to feel secure in oneself
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James Lee (Aventino)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 7:47 pm: | |
Man, this thread goes off on a tangent pretty quick. Contrary to what people believe Allan is saying, the Gallardo may go around corners too and may have more to it in depth than the 500 hp that keeps getting mentioned.
In which case it will be interesting to see how it goes up against the 360 CS as it does carry extra weight due, amongst other things, to the 4 wheel drive. I do think there is an overlap with some who would have both the Gallardo and 360 on their shopping list.
So getting back to the thread, should the 360 replacement go 4 wheel drive as well or is it better off going lightweight? And PSK what's wrong with the F40 as a road and track machine?
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Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Post Number: 478
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 7:17 pm: | |
You are talking about a lot of money to
convert a CSI for importation legally
into the USA. They will not alow a
stock ( normal factory production )
car to be brought in as a race car
either.
I looked at this route awhile back and
checked all the angles. They have you
which ever way you turn. You can take
the motor out and import just the body.
You can strip the car and bring it in
for parts. Check out every little
scam to import the car. They will get
you after you try every option. Good
Luck though. Call Amerispec if you
have a burning desire for the CSI. He
will give you an idea how much it costs
to convert the car. I wanna "guess" they
are around 12-20 depending on the 12 cyl car.
Probably more for the really exotic material. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1548
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 5:32 pm: | |
A CSi certainly would not be bad.
FedEx can ship cars. They have a "Custom Critical" department. Someone who bought a car from me in Asia used Fed Ex.
They are kind of pricey. If you pick up an 850 CSi, not be confused with i or iA, put it on a boat.
Cheers |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member
Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 35
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 5:16 pm: | |
That is cheap. I'm sure they were only driven on the autobahn on sundays by little old fraus as well...
Taek, I'm going to Germany on vacation Monday.
You want me to pick up a couple of 850csi's for you while I'm over there?
Fed Ex ok? LOL
Lomo t.P.K. |
Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jordan747_400
Post Number: 1548
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 5:10 pm: | |
Aston Martin? |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5173
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 4:44 pm: | |
Agh, that would be Auston Martin
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Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member
Username: Maverick
Post Number: 164
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 4:37 pm: | |
Taek - Heres a couple of links to cheap 850:s.
http://www.autoscout24.de/home/index/detail.asp?ts=8476116&id=17439999
http://www.autoscout24.de/home/index/detail.asp?ts=8476116&id=19525626
I�ve seen them a lot cheaper here in sweden though. The service costs for this vehicle are so high that no one wants to buy it. |
Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member
Username: Maverick
Post Number: 163
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
Allan.
Why are you even here? This is a place for ferrari enthusiasts. Whats your point with bashing ferrari? How old are you? Or maybe I should ask - how mature are you? By looking at some of your posts one can think your a teenager. I�ve never written anything like this on any forum before but seriously - if you dont have anything to contribute to this forum I think you should leave - for good. Really - you�re geting on my nerves.
Why is it the longest threads contain the least?
Regards, Kristoffer |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member
Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 167
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 4:12 pm: | |
"Austin Martin is coming to the Le Mans Series" he certainly is and apparently he's driving a Ford! |
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