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| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
New member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 44 Registered: 6-2003 |
Richard, Sorry to hear about that ticket dude. You blew by me at a pretty good clip and I could see that red Turbo for a long way. My red Carrera was the same way, very noticable. I won't tell Cindy you forgot her name! We had a great time at the Vineyard...just got a slight surface scratch on the car on the actual road to the only vineyard on the Vineyard. A mile of dirt with a nasty crown to the road which pushes you to the side (into the scrub) or plow dirt with nose. The Ferrari made quite a splash on the Island. Not too many of them get there I guess. I am looking at my video and pics from the LRP event. Wonder if any of those guys will show up at the Track Attack event for the USGP event. Would be fun to run in even cars with some of them. Are you going to be there? If so, you can stay with us in Muncie. We might be having a local FCA chapter meeting at our family 'farm.' Its about 850 miles from Beantown. Nice drive. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 518 Registered: 3-2001 |
Falls Motel 607-535-7262 Ask for the new rooms. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 793 Registered: 8-2001 |
Matt, Where is the best place to stay at Watkins Glen? I am tired of driving 30 minutes from Corning to get track. Dennis, If it were just my newborn it wouldn't be an issue but I also have the "twin terrors", two 3 1/2 year old twin daughters. I love them to death but they got confused along the way went from the "terrible two's" onto the "terrorizing threes". Too much to travel with frequently and way too much to saddle my wife with while I am out joyriding at the track. Jon | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 822 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jon, you've got mail... | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 517 Registered: 3-2001 |
Hey guys, First thing first....Bruce is not taking Big Bend in that manner in a GT car. If he is talking about a GT car, then his braking percentage numbers are WAY off. As Jon can attest to, I have a somewhat decent control over my brake pedal, and there is NO WAY I'd leave basically ALL my braking to be done after I turn it. An open wheel car....no problem. GT car...hard to believe as there isn't that much run off space to slide around with. As far as my lap times....Chris Vaughn was consistently clocking me in the low 58's last year. That was on 2 year old, multiple heat cycled, ex challenge slicks. (Damn I sound like such a wanna be Schumi....'I coudda been a contendah') From what I've been told by multiple experienced sources, the chicane adds maximum 1 second to your lap times. | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 172 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jon, heck, my daughter is almost exactly the same age as your son, and I'm going to Lime Rock! :-) 90% trail braking is possible in Big Bend if you think of the first apex as a second "straight". I walked the track Friday evening, and it was very illustrative - you get to see all of the (surprising) banking, pick out your own markers, etc. As for the downhill, I lift after passing under the bridge, take a breath, and start applying the throttle again. No pu$$y braking! :-D vty, --Dennis | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 790 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dennis, The white 355C ran only in the end of day Special Challenge Session. According to Jim Glickenhaus it was Tom Popodopulis (sp?) who won the Challenge Series a few year ago in the same car. The car was lined up along the fence where you enter the paddock from the pits. It's white with a tri colored blue stripe. I don't know how many laps he did last session but after three or four laps I never saw him again. My line - I hit the brakes at about the 3 brake marker, turn in between 2 and 1, and aim for the early FIRST apex. This is virtually a straight line, and I can get a LOT of braking done. Then I start dialing in more steering, letting the car continue to scrub speed as it rotates through the turn. Don't let the car out too far though. Start feeding the power on, drive the car into the second apex, and full power as the car starts to track out. Yeah, I was braking too early and the first session I was doing more of an arc to the apex than a straight line. I seem to recall trailbraking in the Skippy car but first session I was all over the place. It wasn't until last session that I quit braking in a straight line but by then the tires were gone. I also kpet getting dangerously close to going of on the outside of turn 2 (or 3?) coming out of Big Bend. One time missed the inside apex completely and ran all four wheels through the dirt and grass. Bruce I. is a bit crazy ( I mean that in a positive way). No way I could ever do 90% of my braking after turn in. I'd have to come in an change underwear every lap. I can see doing 50% but I don't have the attachments to go 90%. My biggest problem was the downhill right hander you mention. First session I was braking, like many others, which of course takes weight off the rear. Second session I lifted quite abit. Third session I was able to use less of a lift and get on the gas earlier. In the Skippy car, if I remember, we just took it flat out with a tiny lift. At the apex you would be thrown about the car and beat to hell and back trying to hold on to the steering wheel. Seemed much more tame in the 355. On the uphill right hander I too took it a bit easy. In the Skippy car this is where I would get a huge run on folks going into West Band. Just nail the thing going into the uphill,keep the steering straight and look away from all the marks on the guardrail. Easy to do when you don't have to pay the damage in a Skippy car (or in the race series you have limited damage $$'s). In my own car I thought it best not to test Bruce's theory that as long as the steering wheel is straight you're ok no matter how fast you are going. I would love to go back to Lime Rock but with a one and half month old baby boy it took a lot of buttering up to the wife to get to this event. I haven't missed a Glen Labor day event in three years and it's my favorite track so Lime Rock will need to wait until 04 for a return visit. Jon | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 171 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jon: Ya know, I didn't see a white 355 Challenge the entire weekend. How weird that I kept missing him. Sub minute times in a 355C are entirely possible, with new slicks and a good driver. Peter Lombardo won the Alfa Club time trial back in 2001 with some used tires in just over a minute flat. As for how easy or not easy Lime Rock is... it is very deceptive. The downhill is what everyone gets worked up about, because it's threatening, but it's actually a fairly easy corner to master. The uphill is more frightening to me... I leave a lot more run-off to the left edge than I need, just because I'm nervous when the car takes flight over the crest. The key to a fast lap at Lime Rock is BIG BEND. This is where I make up a LOT of time on a LOT of drivers. Big Bend may be the premier trail-braking corner in the Northeast. Bruce MacInnes, chief instructor of the Skip Barber racing school, says that about NINETY PERCENT of his braking into Big Bend is done AFTER he turns in. My line - I hit the brakes at about the 3 brake marker, turn in between 2 and 1, and aim for the early FIRST apex. This is virtually a straight line, and I can get a LOT of braking done. Then I start dialing in more steering, letting the car continue to scrub speed as it rotates through the turn. Don't let the car out too far though. Start feeding the power on, drive the car into the second apex, and full power as the car starts to track out. It's a combination of the EARLY EARLY turn-in and line in the first half of Big Bend, combined with LATE LATE LATE braking (because you can continue to scrub speed in the turn) that allows me to catch others. I don't think I'm particularly faster than anyone else around the rest of the track. Watching my in-car footage last night, it's readily apparent. WGI? Jon, aren't you coming back to LRP in August with Matt and the FCA? vty, --Dennis | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 789 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dennis, Thanks for clearing that up. Guess Ruebens Barrichello's seat is safe for now. I was looking over my video and was quite perplexed to see I was running mainly high to mid 1:02's with a bunch of 1:03's at the end when the tires were gone. Peter's clutch problem also explains why he seemed to be quite fast from the uphill right hander to the front straight when he suddenly gave me a point by. I wasn't really close and wondered why he pointed me by (no fifth gear explains it). Tom P. in the white 355 C must have been close to a minute by my estimate. The Challenge session I got a personal best of 1:02.19 trying to keep up with Tom but he blew me away. He had to be more than a second per lap quicker. I still seem to remember that Matt Karson did a sub one minute last year. Maybe he'll chime in. Lime Rock looks like and easy track but even after three sessions I still wasn't sure of the correct line from 1 through 3 (or 4?). I seemed to be able to keep up with the fast guys down no name straight and all the way to turn 1 but then dropped back. Car also understeered like a pig in 2 and 3. You need to get a Challenge car with those times you are posting. Better brakes and suspension are worth at least a second or two. See you at the Glen! | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 169 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jon: Hate to break it to you, buddy, but there is a reason why the 360 Challenge racers were running so "slow" - the first qualifier did a lap in just over 59 seconds flat. There is a CHICANE just after the uphill right-hander, which they were using. We were not using the chicane for our run groups, hence our faster run times. :-) John Tirrell had his best time of 1:01.3 in Saturday afternoon's last session (hot lap timer). He's fast, but he himself says that he's certainly not the fastest in our little group. Peter Lombardo (he's 65!) is probably the fastest among us right now, and he was running in the low 1:02 range -- BUT he had a clutch problem and ran the entire session IN FOURTH GEAR ONLY. Yowza. Shades of Schumacher? ;-) vty, --Dennis | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 783 Registered: 8-2001 |
My car (95 355TB) was converted in early 2001 to run in the series in 2001. It was to be the last year for the 355 to be eligible. Prior to 01 you could run a limited schedule of races, whatever your budget allowed. In late January FNA informed me that I would have to pay for all 8 races regardless of how many I planned to attend. I was hoping to do Watkins Glen and VIR but didn't have the budget for 8 races. FNA's new rule and a sinking stock market killed all plans to race in the series. I had thought about racing the car in T1 SCCA but it's pretty competitive and rough in that class and I didn't want to tear the car up. Jon | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 476 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jon, have you ever thought about running in the challenge race? | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 781 Registered: 8-2001 |
ELI, Go to www.ferrarina.com then click on "events" and go to the Challenge link and go to "Lime Rock". Fastest lap was a mid 59 set on Friday. I am playing back my video tape this evening and hope to see a 1:00 minute or so. First time I've run the C at Lime Rock and my tires had a few heat cycles on them but I'm sure John Tirrel and some others must have cracked a 1:00 as they were a bit faster than I was. Jon | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 475 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jon, where did you look up the lap times? i was speaking with one of the challenge drivers at lime rock and he told me that he has been buying and selling 360c for around $80K-$90K. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 780 Registered: 8-2001 |
Geeez! Maybe some of us should pool our money to run a car in the Challenge series. I just looked at the lap times of the 2 Challenge races and first race a couple of folks (Peterson, Kenton, and Ansassis) were running high 59's. Saturday's race none could break 1:00 minute. heck, Dennis was getting 1:02's in a stock 355 (on slicks) and I gather most of us in Challenge cars were doing 1:00 minute (didn't time myself). A 360 C on new tires should be faster than 1:00. I know Matt K. did a mid 58 last year. Dennis what was John T. and your other buddy running in terms of lap time? I know last session Tom P. in his old 355 C must have been well below a 1:00. Geeez....if only the stock market would come back I could collect some Challenge trophies. Hey Rob L./F Chat wanna sponsor someone to run in the series???? Jon | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 777 Registered: 8-2001 |
Martin, Sounds like that is the car. It was light blue with orange (Gulf Livery). I thought it was a Michelotto at first but the interior switch gear didn't look like the Michelotto 308's I have seen before. It's a great looking car. How did they get it into the Historic series (exemption ?). I was told a few years ago when I was considering building a 308 race car that only Michelotto built 308's were eligible for the series. Greg, any chance you could burn me a CD of all your photos for my website? I wanted to take pictures but just didn't have time. I'd be happy to pay for a CD, shipping, and put a credit on the website that you took the pictures. Jon | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2745 Registered: 2-2001 |
MF, yes, Tony asked me if I worked for Hubbell, I told him I own the Co  It seems to take a while for people who know the Co to understand the difference LOL | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1081 Registered: 8-2001 |
Greg, the next time you and Paul come up to Lime Rock you are more then welcomed to stay at my house- yeah its 1:30 minutes away but its free food! | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 820 Registered: 10-2001 |
Absolutely wonderful event! I enjoyed seeing Jon, Kenny, Paul, and Wil again. It was also good to see other racers that I had met at the Glen and other track events. I apologize for not meeting everyone else @ 11:00 on Saturday, but it was my time for a track session (passenger, not driver). Kenny / Wil...we let you pass, we were still warming the tires. ;-) The historic races on Saturday were awesome. Hearing that P3/P4 run laps sent chills down my spine. The number of other vintage F-cars was very impressive. I filled up my 256MB card twice! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5146 Registered: 5-2001 |
Looks like you guys had a blast out there. Wish I could split myself and go two places sometimes. Jon, are you talking about the light blue 308? That is not a Michelotto but built similar to the Michelotto. They used some specs from ML to built this car of a regular 308. The owner is in NY and comes down in winter to FL to do Cavallino and some other events. The car is for sale BTW. | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 150 Registered: 7-2001 |
William, I think you met a friend of mine. He works for one of your companies. The conversation went something like this: "Hi, are you sponsored by xxx?" "Actually, that's me." <grin> | ||
| Michael Lussos (Lussos)
New member Username: Lussos Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2003 |
Dennis..Just e-mail me and I will be glad to send over a hi-res version of the image (about 3 meg each). Just let me know the image file number. Quick question, who was driving the Red 355B with white speedlines? I have some great shots of him....Peace | ||
| Jonathan T. Linde (Lindej)
New member Username: Lindej Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2003 |
Not sure if anyone else did this, but for the Saturday disc and drum races, I located myself on the back straight by the chicane (used for the discs but not the drums). Nice crowd there, very friendly and rather small. The advantage was that it was possible to get quite close, in comparison to the hill at least, to the cars as they accelerated out of the chicane. Simply incredible. I actually found the experience to be quite moving - I've dreamed about these cars (especially the P3, GTO and 250 TR's) for years. To finally hear them and see them run was wonderful. Especially so since I brought my father with me who had seen many of the same cars (at least by type) compete in the 50's and 60's at Elkhart, Thompson, the Glen, etc. Seeing the look on his face was priceless and more than worth the 300 mile drive. | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 168 Registered: 2-2003 |
That incredible picture of Dan in his black 360 was taken by Michael Lussos (scroll down for the link to his page). Thanks, Mike! I'm one of the cars pictured, as are more than a few friends. Might you have any higher resolution copies of them? Grazie! vty, --Dennis | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2118 Registered: 8-2002 |
Boudewijn: Apparently just a typo on your part, but to set it straight, it is 4713GT. | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 77 Registered: 2-2003 |
Pity I had to leave on Friday, but the track driving on the Thurs and Friday morning was fab. My highpoint was passing the challenge guys on Friday morning since they were running slicks on a damp/drying track and I was running street tires. Attached is a photo kindy sent to me by Dennis. I can't believe I missed him in the Enzo! Dan  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2046 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jon I'll find out lap times but I think you're close. I think the 308 was built by Michelotto for Alberto (WWOC) and is now owned by a club member. If that's the one it doesn't have any history but is way cool. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1348 Registered: 3-2001 |
Kenny, when I try to view the pics at the link you mention below, that site forces me to register which I don't want to do. Can I get around that OR can you just post the pics here??? THX!!! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 775 Registered: 8-2001 |
James or anyone else. I was very interested in the 308 running in the historic race. Anyone know the history behind it? I am sure it's got to be a Michelotto car but it looked similar to a car I saw in Belgium many years ago competing in some vintage hill climb event. Sounded great and fast too! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 774 Registered: 8-2001 |
James, I thought that might be Tom. I was lined up right behind him on the grid for the "Challenge Exhibition" session. Two laps into the session Tom passed someone on the inside of "no-name" straight and hit that nasty dip. Car violently stepped out and started to get out from under him and he kicked up a huge dust cloud. I thought for sure he was going to hit the embankment, but he never lifted and caught it coming around the other way then proceeded to pass another Challenge car on the inside of the uphill right hander. I tried to hang with him but by the third lap he was gone. Anyone know what lap times Tom was running? He must have been doing 58's. He had one of WWOC's guys taking down lap times. The guy that held me up was not Benny. I have run with Benny at the Glen and Summit Point and he is not that slow. I think this was the same guy that got a grand total of three laps in at Summit Point in his 333SP back in April. He spun on the first lap, then had FOW clear the track for him before lunch to do some solo laps (it was drizzling) and proceeded to tear off half the bottom of the car on lap 2. Packed up and left at lunch. I think it was the same guy. He is an older gentleman with glasses and thining grey hair (slightly bald). It wasn't a big deal being behind him but I thought he could have at lest given a point-by. Dennis, nice to put a face with a name. You must know Lime Rock fairly well to be putting down those lap times in a stock 355. I took your suggestion and used third gear on the uphill but my lap times seemed within a half second of each other no matter which gear was used (3rd or 4th). I had some massive understeer in turn 2 (or 3 depending on how you mark them) and some coming out of west bend. For my first time there I was surprised I was able to go pretty quick from the start though it took two sessions to get the last downhill right hander down. I had fun tagging along with your buddies red/white/blue 355 C and the red one with the yellow stripes (forgot his name but I met the driver the night before at my hotel). It's funny how home track advantage makes such a huge difference. There were a couple of 355 C's that I can usually get by at Watkins Glen (not my home track but been there more than Lime Rock) that I simply couldn't do so here. Same with a friend who had a 360 C at Lime Rock. He is slower than me at Summit but left me in the dust at Lime Rock this past Saturday where he races Skippy cars often. I hadn't been to Lime Rock in three years and it was fun to finally drive the 355 C there (only other experience is Formula cars). Hope some of you can make it to the Glen in late August. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2045 Registered: 10-2002 |
Moi in my Maser.  | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2003 |
Or a Gimme-cap. I tried to get one made up real quick on Friday at the local mall using one of those custom embroidery carts, but of course the guy went out of business last month... The design was pretty simple: Ferrarichat.com Logo then in internet-link-blue: Richard Ward (Lomotpk) just like we see on the board. | ||
| Rey (Rey)
New member Username: Rey Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2003 |
Really enjoyed Saturday. Michael, I was in the pits when they fired up the P3. Wow is all I can say. You felt it to the bones..... -Rey   | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4154 Registered: 9-2001 |
I always find it a little akward at the events walking up to people - saying - are you from f-chat, who are you? At the FDC event this passed weekend they used name tags - maybe its time for another round of f-caht t shirts or hats | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2044 Registered: 10-2002 |
Richard No. I was wearing a light blue jacket with a Ferrari patch that Mr. Chinetti gave me in 1972. Still fits. Rob should come up with a FCHAT button! | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2003 |
Also, I just got an email from Christine (Limerock Girl), thought I'd share: "FYI-I did end up getting a ride back in the red F40 (what a car!) it was soooo loud and extremely low to the road. That day was a blast!" That about says it all. Dennis/Bighead, maybe you can line up a ride in an F40 for ME next time.... sigh..... | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2003 |
James, were you wearing a GT40 T-shirt on Saturday? I saw someone at a distance, but chickened out on running half way across the field and yelling "are YOU Napolis?" Maybe next time. | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 166 Registered: 2-2003 |
Quick comments before I post my report: 1. My friend Peter is the F40 driver. He had to put his car back together deep into Thursday night, and it wasn't quite complete. Also, his rear tires were totally shot, so he was taking it really easy. OTOH, he is an insane driver (he races his Jaguar in Trans-Am), so I'm not surprised he spun either. He did dive for the apex of the Uphill RH on me, then passed on the inside of the Downhill RH on my friend John Tirrell of IFS, but we both know Peter and saw him coming (and expected it). All caught on video too. 2. There were TWO 333SPs out there. Vince DiLeo has one, and he is good and FAST, but only after he warms everything up (usually takes him 5-7 laps at LRP). Benny Caiola has the other one, and, well, let's just say that he is excellent for being in his '70s. Though he did spin the car twice, once coming out of the Esses onto No-Name, and once after cresting the Uphill. Doh. Interesting footage on my camera. 3. There were some very fast 355/360 Challenge drivers in our run groups, but there were some really slow drivers as well. Interesting mix of novices and veterns. I LAPPED more than a few 355s (street and Challenge), and easily passed 3-4 360 Challenges as well. FWIW, I was running my stock 355 with old Pirelli D3 slicks (1999 manufacture, ex-Challenge scrubs, then about 8 track days on them myself, so wayyyyy too many heat cycles), but I was still getting down to the low 1:02s (hot lap timer). I felt pretty good about it. 4. Richard, thanks for picking up Christine and giving her a ride. More to come later. Did I mention that I drove the Enzo? Around the track? Oh, and I'll tell you about the topless girls. vty, --Dennis | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2743 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jon the event organizers got PO'd at the F40 driver cus he passed down the hill when he was only supposed to pass on the flat straights The 333SP driver was Benny Caiola, we'll all be lucky if we can drive as well as he can at the age of 75 Jake, they called me to my trailer cus the canopy on my trailer caught air & flipped up on the roof. Anybody want to buy a canopy cheap ? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2042 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jonathan I looked around at 11am but didn't notice who was who. Next time we'll have to wear a patch or something! What did you think of the Yellow P3? (412P) Best Jim | ||
| Jonathan T. Linde (Lindej)
New member Username: Lindej Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2003 |
Incredible, incredible event. Some of us did get together for a bit around 11:00 at the paddock food stand, but I never did find Jim. Consequently, Jim, I would be glad to pdf you a copy of the (as it turns out) Motor Trend article on the Le Mans race. Otherwise, I can always get it to you by alternative means. Bottom line - incredible event! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2041 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jon That was my friend Tom driving that old White 355C. It brought back a lot memories. He's in a league of his own and nice guy to boot. We (WWOC) had a lot of fun running that car. The yellow (P4) was 0850 a 412P (Webbers on the 412P Lucas FI on the P4 The 412 were customer cars the P4's were SPA). Ex Forchamps, ex Dino Martin Jr,ex Paul Papparlado, now owned and driven by Lawrance Stroll. William It sounds like a F1 car because the engine is similar to the 67 F1 engine. A great day! Best Jim | ||
| jake (Enzoforza)
Junior Member Username: Enzoforza Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2001 |
William I went by to to check out your 512TR a few times but you were AWOL. I thought that I here the announcer call out that car #230 owner please return to your vehicle at one point. All I could think about was that some kid had stuck an ice cream cone up your tubi's. Anyone know what happened to the F50? I saw it leaving on a flatbed on Sat about 11:00 or so. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 772 Registered: 8-2001 |
Will, Don't know who he was but apparently he scarred the daylights out of someone on Friday (I wasn't there) making a pass on the downhill right hander leading onto the straight. The event folks yelled at him during the driver's meeting saying the Grand Am organizers were cracking down on this sort of stuff. Funny story when I signed in at registration. They smuggly asked if I had a "Grand Am" license and I jokingly said "... nope, but I have a REAL RACING LICENSE I can show you." The guy didn't find it funny and gave me a blue wrist band. I wondered if I would have gotten a red one had I kept my mouth shut. I think the car might have had some LM mods but I think the engine was pretty close to stock as I was able to hang with him on Saturday until he pitted. The 333SP was way too slow. He held up a bunch of us and it took me four laps to get by him. I though about dive bombing him before the uphill left hander several times then thought about my childrens college fund, our vacation fund, retirement fund and so on. Figured I would just admire his nice carbon fiber wing for a few more laps. I finally got by when Jay Lopez nearly ran him off the road in his 360 C. I thought it was kind of cool being out there on the track with a thousand or so fans watching us do laps. Felt like being at the SCCA run offs. I could listen to those BBLM's, 512's, and the P4's all day long. What a sound, makes the more modern 360 C's sound like buzzsaws. Jon | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2742 Registered: 2-2001 |
Who was the guy in the F40 ? He was a pretty good driver. I was trying to catch him on saturday as we were both working our way around traffic on the track. By the time I was in position my tires had melted, my brakes & oil were overheating. We were both hauling A through the touring session Good thing I pushed my 512TR a bit there cus my mechanic told me he noticed I had a loose axle so I had to park the 512TR for the rest of the day. Those BBLMs did sound awesome but the P4 sounded like an F1 car | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 771 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hey Gang! Sorry I missed meeting many of you. I got into Lime Rock late Friday evening. When I got to the track early Saturday morning I noticed my rear rotors needed replacing. By the time I got done it was time for the 10:30 am drivers meeting (or scolding as some apparently were not behaving on Friday). I made a quick trip to the food stand around 10:50 or so but didn't see anyone and was on the track from 11:00 to 12:00. I did hook up with F Chatters Paul P. and Greg O. and met Dennis (Big Head) earlier in the morning. Special thanks to an unammed sole who finagled (sp?) me a tech sticker so I could run the morning "Touring" and "Sport" sessions. I had never run Lime Rock in the Challenge car and have to say it's a fast track despite being a short one. The lapping sessions were like a Challenge race with at least 15+ Challenge cars. With the exception of a few street cars it was pretty fast paced for a track session. Having only ever raced at Lime Rock in open wheeled cars I never realized how many understeering corners there were on that track. I was kicking up dirt in many places trying to keep it on the track. Kept up with most of the fast guys but whoever was driving Tom Popodoplis' (sp?) old 355 C (might have been him) needs to sign up for the Challenge series. He left the rest of us in the dust! We had an F40 (might have been LM modified) and a 333SP (which I spent 5 laps behind) and all the usuall Challenge cars as well as a few street cars. Was hoping to see Will's new race car but I guess we will all have to wait a bit longer. Great racing as well. The 360 race was a bit boring with the leader pulling out a 35 second advantage by the end of the race but there was a great battle going on between fellow Ferrari of Washington driver Jim Kenton in 2nd and one of Ferrari of Long Island's drivers. They ran neck in neck for the entire race until Ferrari of Long Island's driver spun in turn 1 and lost about 10 seconds. he still finished third and Jim finished 2nd. Anyone driving a red 360 C ought to be sent back to the school. All three red cars were dead last some two laps down. Remind me not to buy a red 360 C when I am in the market. To me the best event of the day was the Historic Disc Race. Fellow Ferrari of Washington racer Charlie Arnot finished 2nd in his awesome 512 S to Todd Maricci in his BBLM. I was a bit disappointed with the end of day 348/355/360 Challenge session as we only had about 10 cars or so. There were plenty of 355's and 360's parked in the padock that never came out but it was still a good fast session. I'll try to post pictures of some cars and some short video clips in the next few days. Hopefully some of us can meet up for the Labor Day FCA event at the Glen Aug 29-31st. Any of you planning to attend? Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Michael Lussos (Lussos)
New member Username: Lussos Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2003 |
http://www.lussos.com/limerock Quick page...enjoy | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1445 Registered: 12-2001 |
I thought the topless chick was an option that was simply unavailable in the United States. In most other places, though, you'd be suprised what comes with these cars.... | ||
| Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
New member Username: Lomotpk Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2003 |
It was a great event. I picked up "the girl who needs a ride to Limerock", nice girl; paid for coffee, gas and road tolls. Of course SHE had the ultimate Limerock experience, she introduced herself to Dennis (who set the whole trip up) and then ends up with a ride back to Boston in the F40. (She had to ask if this was important, I explained that she was living the fantasy of almost all men over the age of 14. She was polite enough to laugh.) I hooked up with Jim Avery (Boxer12), his brother and his lovely significant other (a lovely lady who's name I've forgotten). They were kind enough to keep me fed with beer and brats for hours. Great folks. This whole F-Chat thing has worked out great for me. Except for the $175 Ticket I got on the Mass Pike on the way home (duh, Ferrari event = Cops). | ||
| jake (Enzoforza)
New member Username: Enzoforza Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2001 |
I was speaking to the owner (or driver of the F40 LM) I guess on friday he had spun off the track at one point. The car had MA plates and FONE badges on it but I have never seen it around boston. I saw the Enzo (sans topless girl) from across the bridge. After the 360 race was over it seemed to disappear and I never saw it close up. The 512BB LM's were wicked coming down the strait!!!! | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 331 Registered: 1-2002 |
Topless chick, umm i did not see that as i was with my wife. | ||
| Michael R. Bucci (Bb512)
New member Username: Bb512 Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2003 |
Boudewijn, Tyson, and James, thanks for the info. -Michael | ||
| Michael Calvo (Capt)
New member Username: Capt Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2003 |
I made it for a few hours on Sat as well. My buddy Dave talked me into taking the 355 and before we even got started on the journey I ended up with a flat on the Mass pike. Argh!!! At that point I was ready to pack it in and head for home. Fortunately my friends at Boston Sports Car (BSC) came to the rescue with a spare rim and tire (talk about service!) and we all headed for the event. Jonathan from BSC brought his 308 and our F cars quickly took to the lead. My co pilot Dave had never experienced the "Stop and Gawk" behavior that Ferraris bring out in people and the stop and go ride down the pike (bad traffic) had people yelling, pointing and taking pictures of the 2 red Ferraris, which completely blew Dave away. Once we got to Limerock we tried to park at the main lot and got redirected to the Ferrari only VIP section of the infield (Sweet!). Although the numerous speed bumps and then bottoming out on the other side of the bridge was frustrating. Once parked we finally got to check out the unbelievable collection of cars in the Paddock. Now keep in mind I know very little about F cars previous to the 308 and nothing about the historic race cars but I was completely blown away by the collection of cars assembled (including the topless chick getting her picture taken in the yellow Enzo). The 360 challenge race was very cool as was the historic race, althogh I was a little frustrated by not knowing what half the cars were on the track. Guess it's time to do a little research. -Michael | ||
| Bill V (Doc)
Member Username: Doc Post Number: 377 Registered: 9-2001 |
Indeed, what a great event ! This was best turn-out I can recall. The VIP Ferrari parking lot alone made it worth attending and it was a pleasure to meet some fellow Chatters. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2003 |
Indeed, 4731GT is the one and only 250 GTO with LMB body. It ran the 24 hrs of Le Mans in 1963 for the NART team with drivers Masten Gregory and David Piper (picture). It was 6th overall, but was only the 6th Ferrari at the finish line! In this race all three 330 LMB's participated as well and #4725SA was best with a 5th place overall.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2033 Registered: 10-2002 |
Michael I'll check it out but I think it's a GTO bodied by the factory as an LMB. Best Sorry didn't see Tyson's post he got it. Thanks Tyson. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2003 |
Kenny, nice pics. I see one pic of a white 250 GT LWB Interim with italian tricolore on the bonnet. Any idea which car this is, I mean the S/N? | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 135 Registered: 6-2003 |
Here you go Michael http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/4713GT.250GTO.htm | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1075 Registered: 8-2001 |
Follow this link for pictures: http://www.exoticcarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7815&perpage=10&pagenumber=1 I was in a bit of a rush today so I was only able to take 20 decent shots, it's a shame I missed taking pictures of all the cars... Will, best I've ever seen your car run! James, always good talking to you, can't wait to take some pictures of the P4. Greg, Paul, we passed you , sweet car.. Dave, nice meeting you. (Disclaimer: You have to register to see the pictures- this keeps people from linking directly and killing our bandwith) | ||
| Michael R. Bucci (Bb512)
New member Username: Bb512 Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2003 |
James, I asked one of the guys who was with Mr. Wang myself about that LMB. I thought it was a 330 LMB, (like the rebodied one that was on ebay a year or two ago), he said "No, I know exactly what car you are speaking of though, and this one is different. It (a 330 LMB) does have the same bodywork, but this is a 250 LMB - and it came this way from the factory" - i am pretty much going to take his word for it, it did have a 250 engine in it, I wasn't going to be too nosy and ask for a serial number either because he was a very nice gentleman. Where's Wayne? If you can help, please do, I would like to know if I was given the correct info on this car. It was listed on the entry list as a 250 GTO, but I think I remember reading about an LMB that the factory did. Please let me know. If I can get my pics developed quick enough, I will post them to try to help you, but I cannot promise that it will be right away, if not I'll throw them in a new thread by next weekend. - Michael | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1438 Registered: 12-2001 |
pics, please? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2031 Registered: 10-2002 |
Michael That was Lawrence driving. You're right about it being the car on "Victory by Design" It was wild to see it fly by. I think Tony's car is a GTO bodied as a LMB. Wayne? Gerald? Some Sound! Seeing it today really makes me want to finish up mine. | ||
| Michael R. Bucci (Bb512)
New member Username: Bb512 Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2003 |
It was a great event, and for the history nuts Tony Wang was there with a Maserati 300S (finished 2nd in his historic class) Also one of the 250 GTO's was fake, the other real. The third was actually a 250 LMB. The real 250 GTO was with people from Ferrari of Quebec, who also had the Francorchamps yellow 330 P3 which I believe was actually the 312/412 previously owned by Paul Pappalardo (saw it in Victory By Design on Speedvision 3 yrs. ago)and like James said is now owned by Lawrence Stroll. Mr. Stroll, the car looks absolutely great and if that was you driving it this afternoon, thank you - you did a great job and made my day - I never thought I'd see a real P-Car on a track, and I was able to get some great footage both on track and in the pit/paddock. If anyone who was there was in the pits when they started it up I was standing about 8 feet from the rear right of the car with the video camera. The crew was checking/prepping it for the race later (I guess) and they revved it on and off for like two minutes and then really cranked it for another two. So LOUD and cool, felt like I was in the pits at Le Mans!! I got about tons of footage of the car with all clips on it, as well as with the front/rear clips off and with the car jacked up with both front tires off. So Awesome! Anyway, if you were there it was one hell of a day (oh a nice 250 LM, F40 LM (insane!!) red F50, yellow Enzo, and for you others the red/gold Lotus 49 B F1 car with the wing (late 60's)). It was also nice that we had a sunny day after the last 5 LRP events I went to it poured, and after all the rain we've had her in N.E. It was definitely something to see. Who else went? | ||
| Michael R. Bucci (Bb512)
New member Username: Bb512 Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2003 |
William, I saw your TR - unbelievable how good it looks with the black wheels. I looked for you so I could introduce myself but you weren't around. Very nice ride though. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2029 Registered: 10-2002 |
William is right the event was amazing. It was great to meet him as well. His TR looked great and I can't wait to see his TR race car. There were 3 GTO's (Tony Wang's was bodied like a 330LMB but was a GTO) The 412P was 0850 the ex Dean Martin Jr.car Wayne spoke about now owned by Lawrence Stroll. It was great to see it run in anger. Sorry I missed others. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2736 Registered: 2-2001 |
You said it, I had a stub axle snap on my 308QV years ago & the wheel went flying off & I had a 3 wheeled Ferrari. Dont have to do that again | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1400 Registered: 11-2001 |
any pics, william? f'shizzle, better safe than sorry wiht a loose axle! doody. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2735 Registered: 2-2001 |
Just came home from 3 great days at LRP. No rain although it was a little cloudy yesterday. Met Kenyy, Jim G, Paul, Greg, & Jon as well as a lot of FCA & FOC people. Cars were awesome 2 GTOs, 2 57 pontoon TRs, 330 P3/4, 512S, 250LM, 3 Californias, 2 BBLMs, 3 Monzas, as well as several 1930s Alfas & some 50s Maseratis, great stuff My 512TR was running nice & strong, passed a huge bunch of cars and kept her off the guardrails. At the end of the 3rd day my mechanic told me I had a loose axle so I ended my day early, Better safe than sorry. AFter replacing my trans after Sebring I didnt feel like paying out for another huge bill |