| Author | Message | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 580 Registered: 6-2002 |
THIS... GOES... LIKE NOTHING I HAVE EVER DRIVEN!!! | ||
| ryan (Ferrari_kid)
New member Username: Ferrari_kid Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
wow, that car is just...wow. | ||
| Scotty (Pzerowaster)
Junior Member Username: Pzerowaster Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2002 |
James, Your Lola is amazing! Street legal? Wow! Thanks for posting the pics. Scott | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2003 |
In reference to the 250 GTO, $42k in '72 was the equivalent of $181,000, according to www.1soft.com/todaysdollars.htm, which is the coolest little tool. That means over 31 years his/her investment appreciated 5200%. Damn... | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 966 Registered: 9-2002 |
Those prices inflation-adjusted are still pretty huge. --Dan | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2051 Registered: 10-2002 |
Nope. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1080 Registered: 8-2001 |
James, did your dad have nice cars when you were a kid? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2048 Registered: 10-2002 |
A 250 GT0 with LeMans history 42K. A 427 Cobra 18K. A 275GTB2 14K. A 275GTB4 18K. A GT40 25K. A 365 Daytona Comp 20K. I looked up my Lola it was a bit more than I thought 7.5K. The same 250GTO recently sold for 9.5 Million. The cheapest I saw a 250 GTO offered at was 6.5K in 1966 but it did come with a trailer. I was 16 and there was no way I could come up with that. If I could have I would have bought it. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1077 Registered: 8-2001 |
Patman, his name is Jeremy Clarkson... James, 3500! Lucky @%*#(^! Quick question, for the same price, what else could you buy in 1972? | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 498 Registered: 3-2003 |
No, the guy with the huge head is Jeremy Clarkson. He writes a column in Car magazine too. He is full of great quips. The guy with the black helmet is a "mystery driver" they refer to as Stig. Tiff Needell used to be on this program too. He was great. There's lots of videos on the web where he thrashes various exotics. Well worth the search and long download times. | ||
| Patman36 (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2002 |
That was a great video... what is this guys name again? It isn't Tiff is it? Patrick  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2043 Registered: 10-2002 |
The fit and finish look great but it's a long road littered with failure trying to make a supercar that doesn't cause massive loss of $. Bug E110, Dauer,B2,Moroder,etc,etc. I admire and wish him well. Hey I've done the same thing my self with my Lola built it into an electric windowed, Ac'd, enough cooling, road going beast that I love to drive. Could I ever get back what I spent? No way but as I bought it for $3,500 in 72 and drove the piss out of it for years who cares.     | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
Member Username: Entelechy Post Number: 369 Registered: 5-2001 |
Damn - I have the same set-up as Rich on a Mac. I can get audio, but no video. Argh - I would LOVE to see this. Anyone have a way to convert it? | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2002 |
That's one great video! Thank you Allan. | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member Username: Maverick Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2001 |
Faisal - I do agree to most of your points. That CvK is very enthuastic and dedicated I�m in no doubt. I am also in no doubt that this is an awesome car both in terms of finish, style and performance. However, I dont think it will beat the enzo. Remember, the koenigsegg need to pass emission and safety tests as well. But I also think that its irrelevant if its the fastest car or one of the fastest. And as someone pointed out, problems with buying a car like this are potentially reliability issues and lack spare parts. However, the clientel that buys this kind of cars want attention. And the koenigsegg get a lot of that. So hopefully the market for CvK:S car will be sufficient. Its just that I�ve seen other swedish sport cars projects that have failed. Due to economics, not due to lack of dedication. I really hope that mr koenigsegg will have enough money and that the project turns out good. As for the fire vs insurance issue. Its natural that speculation and rumors arise. I hope that the speculation turns out to be wrong! Make no misstake. I really really want him to succeed and I wish him all the best of luck. There is few as keen as me that want to see this swedish project to succeed. I�m following every step with interest and awe. I�m just pointing out that this journey will be very though to complete. And I think no one can argue about that. Regards, Kristoffer | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 480 Registered: 3-2003 |
A lot of parts are easily sourced from OEMs. The rest are either machined or repaired. It's not that bad. In Koenigsegg's case, the company has not gone under, so it's a moot point. | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 355 Registered: 10-2001 |
What do people do when they buy a seriously low production car like this and then they need some spare parts to repair their car but the company has already gone under? I guess that's why no one ever drives cars like that. I'd stick with Ferrari. They may charge you for it, but I think you can get them to make and remake and/or source just about anything... | ||
| Spyder (Spyder)
New member Username: Spyder Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have been told: $460,000. US That's from a US broker. | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 491 Registered: 12-2002 |
So the 64 million dollar question is: How much? | ||
| Mark PDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>...seriously, it will never beat an enzo in terms of performance. This is his first car. Compare that to the 50+ years of engineering with Ferrari....Experience is worth a lot!...<< Experience is worth a lot but it's not everything. I think a prime example of this is what Horacio Pagani has done with the Zonda. Although I have never seen one in person by all reports it is a world class vehicle. I don't know much about Koenigsegg but it is ridiculous to pass him off just because he doesn't have the financial resources of Ferrari. And why insinuate arson without any proof? As far as one supercar beating another it is all a bit ricockulous. The absolutely coolest thing in the world would be a race series that would pit the top supercars against each other in street/showroom trim. Enzo vs. McLaren vs. Pagani vs. Koenigsegg vs. Lambo vs. Carrera GT At that point it might matter but I don't see it happening. Bench racing is stupid. Go do something usefull, Christian Koenigsegg has. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 479 Registered: 3-2003 |
Kristoffer, do you know for a fact what their financial situation is? Or are you speculating? Here's some details I know about Koenigsegg: The company was founded by wealthy private investors. The car took over 5 years to develop. Christian von Koenigsegg is into doing things meticulously, and doing them right. His company is not desperate for cash, or looking to make a quick killing. I also know about a few of his strategic relationships, and although I can't talk about them publicly, I can assure you that he is on a very solid footing. Despite the fire you mention, Mr. Koenigsegg had resumed production within a week at a nearby airbase. This does not sound like someone who wants to get out of the business. Look back through a couple of issues of EVO, and there is a letter from Christian von Koenigsegg in response to some churlish comments made by Gordon Murray (of McLaren fame). You will be left in no doubt as to Mr. Koenigsegg's character, or his dedication to this project, or the milestones he is slowly but methodically ticking off. I am certain that the fire was investigated very thoroughly by the authorities. No suspicion of foul play has ever been voiced. The car is simply awesome, and it's the first one Koenigsegg has ever built. It's handmade and production numbers are very low, but there has been no let-up in the pace of the company, so far as I know. They make a very sophisticated car, and the level of thought and care lavished on each component is simply exquisite. You only have to see the centre console instrument panel or naked multi-axis door-hinge assemblies and you will become a believer. Hopefully Koenigsegg will run Le Mans and other significant events soon, establishing more of a pedigree. I know that they are keen to compete for the production car top speed record, which is currently held by McLaren. Their last attempt to do so was hampered by bad weather, but the car still managed 220 mph before the runs were halted due to safety concerns. I don't know about competing directly with the Enzo. It's at 66% of the Enzo's list price, so would it be superior if it exceeded 66% of the Enzo's performance? It certainly does that, and probably meets or exceeds the Enzo in many aspects. You cite the 50+ years of development behind the Enzo. But if Koenigsegg's first effort comes even close, wouldn't it mean that Ferrari is a very slow learner? And we know that it's more than close. As it is, Koenigsegg is satisfied with the sales volume (besides Morgan, is there any manufacturer who wouldn't want more, though?), and there is a considerable wait-list. The car's performance, features, styling, and level of worksmanship are absolutely stellar. There are also efforts underway to get it certified for sale in the USA. Give it time--it's a good egg! Rgds, Faisal. | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member Username: Maverick Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2001 |
Ad seriously, it will never beat an enzo in terms of performance. This is his first car. Compare that to the 50+ years of engineering with Ferrari. Look at the F1-circus. Toyota has the same budget as Ferrari but are chanceless. Experience is worth a lot! And CvK doesn�t even have a strong financial situation. Go figure... | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
Junior Member Username: Maverick Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2001 |
This car will never hit production. I mean, I hope it will but I�m a pessimistic in this case. Maybe one or two or three more will be built but no more than that. I dont think he can manage to to sort out the economy. Getting a project like this to go round is very very risky and hard. Besides, his entire factory here in sweden burned down to the ground half a year ago. And when this thing happen one starts to wonder... Was it really an accident? Or was it an insurance fire. Trying to get out of the whole thing before he goes bancrupt... Just my 2 cents. But I of course still hope that everything works out and that we one day will have a swedish supercar in production! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 938 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think Faisal can tell us a lot about the car, given that he knows CvK and has driven the car. --Dan | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 560 Registered: 6-2002 |
I adore what they've done with the interior. The rest of the car seems incredible too, a supercar program very similar to how I would like to do one. There really seem to be no compromises. (though I would go with a N/A V-12!) They use the same weave (T700 12k) for the tub that I use for one of my products, cool! Best! Ben. | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
Junior Member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2003 |
That Koenigsegg is incredible. I like it's features more than the McLarens. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 768 Registered: 3-2002 |
When the Gumball Rally came through New Orleans a couple months ago I was able to semi-stalk the Koenigsegg and follow it down Canal St. and onto I-10. Also, the night they got into New Orleans I was allowed access to the garage at the Windsor Court to check out the vehicles. The Koenigsegg was the first car in and had the engine bay exposed for some work to be done. Quite astounding! Seeing and hearing the car in person was a true delight. Apparently the guy who owned it also owns a second one. Go Figure!!! | ||
| Christopher F. (Dallasguy)
Junior Member Username: Dallasguy Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2002 |
http://www.koenigsegg.com/index.asp | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 353 Registered: 10-2001 |
If I only get audio but no video, what do I do? I'm running Mac OS 10.2 and windows media player 7.1.3. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 508 Registered: 1-2002 |
WOW! | ||
| Christopher F. (Dallasguy)
Junior Member Username: Dallasguy Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2002 |
Holy Crap!!! Lighter, more aerodynamic, and more powerful than the McClaren!?!?! That thing is incredible. Especially the way those doors open and the way the roof comes of and stows onboard. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1487 Registered: 11-2002 |
I remember reading about Koenigsegg a few years back. He had ran out of money and was looking for investors. Looks like the efforts paid off! Great car. Great link Allan. Cheers | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 675 Registered: 6-2002 |
This car looks pretty interesting. http://www.polarisuk.com/video/auto/Koenigsegg.wmv Says 0-60 in 3 seconds flat, 245mph! |