| Author | Message | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 208 Registered: 8-2001 |
Considering the extreme limited production of the ENZO, and the fact that when I visited the factory last year in September, the engineers were out on the production floor making design and fit revisions "on the fly", I'd say Ferrari is still turning out an amazingly high quality product in the ENZO, even with some of these minor hiccups. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2003 |
Unfortunately I couldn't give a rat's arse for speculators or investors. A standard production ferrari has pretty good resale, be happy with that. So the more Enzo's they make the more the price comes down and the more speculators leave the market and the more enthusiasts can stretch to buy them. With F40's selling for around the price of the CS 360 in the UK I am glad they made so many of them. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 978 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dan, My thoughts exactly - where will they campaign the cars? --Dan | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 80 Registered: 2-2003 |
The Maclaren F1 wasn't regarded as a good car to drive by the drivers (at least in the interviews I've read) - it was not ever designed to be a racer, so the bottom was not designed for a ground force hungry LM type setting. Great drivetrain, but I seem to recall the term "speed-boaty" being used to describe it at speed. I think the fact that the Porsche GT1 flagrantly disregarded the "road-car" rules, demostrates that a race car built to race will always beat a road car made into a race car. I think the fact that the 962 roadcar made back into a racecar won Le Mans made people realise the foolishness of those rules. I personally love to see the full factory efforts of BMW, Audi and now Bentley (rebadged though it is) at Le Mans. Its only a pity that Ferrari is so focussed on F1 - I think a fully committed prototype would be great to see. Awesome though it was to share track with a 333SP at lime-rock last week, it could never be regarded as a success. I think that was lack of committment from Ferrari. I guess this is a bit of thread hijack, but it seemed a relevant point to make at this juncture. Dan PS Subtext is what on earth is an enzo(maserati) GT derivative going to compete with? It seems to be a car without a class. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1940 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Today it is the only semi-recent specialty series Ferrari (288, F40, F50, Enzo) available at under its original MSRP.<< MSRP on the 288 GTO's was something like $79,995, so it's not surprising they go for more than that now (by a large margin), but, Ferrari wised up with the 288 and hammered out TR's after a wait of course, at up to $300K..even I made $$$ selling "contracts"...;-)... and early F40's were selling at up to a Million. So a loss of $600K on an F40 is almost double it's current resale value. Basic rule of thumb. First Guy takes the Hickey. ;-) | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
New member Username: Teflon Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2003 |
Faisal, There are only three F50 GT's. Art Z's was the first and the other two were built from his spares. The McLaren F1 seemed to have made a pretty good race car.  Greg | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 422 Registered: 2-2001 |
The F40 deal was a bit of a debacle for speculators/collectors of the day. Original rumored figure of 200 balooned to 1300 or so cars. Today it is the only semi-recent specialty series Ferrari (288, F40, F50, Enzo) available at under its original MSRP. Though no market expert, here, would suspect F40's would be more valuable (in terms of $) today if fewer were produced. Perhaps the most desirable of the lot if only 200 were built. | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 79 Registered: 2-2003 |
They did make > 1000 F40s, doesn't seem to have affected the value of those... I'd like to see more to bring the price back down to MSRP rather than the 1.2-1.5 M that "brokers" are asking. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2002 |
They will make more than 399 Enzo's, but they will look different and they will be called Maserati's. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 504 Registered: 3-2003 |
I don't think Ferrari would do that. It goes against the whole marketing concept of limited editions. Extending the production once by a small amount is an interesting anecdote. Almost as if Ferrari did its owners a favour. But if they do it again, and by such a large amount, they will be generating a lot of ill-will among the collectors and enthusiasts, as they will be significantly diluting the car's exclusivity. Even though the Enzo is extremely desirable and will surely sell out even at that production volume, it will be a public relations disaster. No one will trust Ferrari next time they announce a limited production run. Your source might have been referring to the racing rumours...word is that Enzos will be raced. However, street cars make notoriously poor racers, and in the case of the F50, only a handful of the GT variants were produced (just five, I think). Rgds, Faisal. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 503 Registered: 3-2003 |
Sorry for the double post...it told me to submit again in 5 seconds. I did some editing, so I am removing the text from the earlier post (this one). -f | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2003 |
Missed that Faisal, but no this guy was talking like total units of closer to 500 or 750. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 502 Registered: 3-2003 |
James, Ferrari announced a while ago that they will make 399 units. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2003 |
Local dealer said they might continue with the Enzo past the initial 349 units. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 967 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bill, That's why I was surprised. Apparently they go through rigorous checks at the factory before leaving, and then again in Joisey at FNA. How so much else goes wrong in between FNA and, at longest, SF is impressive in the wrong sense. --Dan | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1450 Registered: 12-2001 |
I'll bet we'd be suprised at the amount of work that goes on with alot of these cars once they arrive in Joisey. I thought that's how Classic Coach made its living. | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 1084 Registered: 5-2001 |
There have been a few "service campaigns" on the Enzo already. service campaigns=F-ups. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1517 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah, I mentioned another owner's takes on Enzo quality in a different post. This is not surprising. Hopefully they all get sorted so they can be enjoyed. Cheers | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Junior Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 207 Registered: 4-2002 |
I wonder if that is why Federov's Enzo was at Cauley Ferrari for so long. It even has his license plate already on the back. And in another post a couple of days ago, another member here saw it on a hoist. | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 204 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here in Lake Forest the service guy was taking all the wheels off and then replacing them. He said he heard about another customer out east who got a flat, and tried for 5 hours to remove the one-off wheel lug. Turns out the factory over-torqued the wheels, and so it was recommended to have a service rep remove them and put them back on using more "acceptable" torque. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5901 Registered: 8-2002 |
The red one that was a Auto Galley a few months back was getting a new clutch. It had delivery miles on it. Alan said it had something to do with the transmission software not allowing the clutch to disengage allowing the disks to slip all the time. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 949 Registered: 9-2002 |
Well, after some conversation, it turns out that the Enzo still isn't sorted out. These cars go through TONS of checks everywhere (factory, and then FNA in NJ, etc) - but before delivery, it seems they're still kept for a few weeks due to strange issues. Anything from bad paint, to scratched glass, to bad starters and faulty mechanical wings. We all know the bang-for-the-buck argument isn't Enzo's, but one would hope that they would at least deliver a sorted car, no? --Dan |