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V.Z. (Ama328)
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:11 pm:   

gonna keep seeing more & more of this discussion, folks, as car tech gets cheaper and cheaper...think one of the car mags yrs ago mentioned something to the effect that in the U.S. in 1980, there were 4-5 production cars available that had >=200 hp(512BB & 400i were grey market, so didn't count), nowadays, you'd lose count.

Don't care who's behind the wheel, you do sumpin' dumb/stupid, in today's cars you've got a greater chance of messing up, cuz everthing's much faster...except human reaction times...

When we see 300hp cars for $20k, and see 'death on the hiway' stories every nite on the news, then we'll see the feds start legislating this stuff out the door.
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:22 am:   

Every potential driver will be different
obviously. I myself at a young age
would have absolutely no business driving
a really hi performance car. I was
given my mothers Lincoln Town car.
I remember hauling ass 85 mph in 35 mph
zones scarcely caring whether someone
might not even see me and proceed to
cut me off. At the time I got my
license (16), I was anually going to
the body shop for many years. I did
not slow down until I wanted my first
new performance car.

I was stunned when an insurance agent
quoted me $13.5K a year to insure a new
Corvette. I was ready to buy the car.
I then thought I could choose something
else like an M3 etc.., and fool the
insurance company. Anything with
performance was just like having two
car payments. I was in my early 20's
and realized that it was time to clean
up my recklessness. I was lucky to
never even get a scratch without ever
wearing a seat belt.

Every person will be different. I told
my 10 yr old son his first vehicle will be
be a wood paneled station wagon with an
automatic and special 4 cyl engine shoe
horned in under the hood.
John Perry (Perryaviation)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:19 am:   

I might still be young enough and old enough (I'm 27)to way in on both sides of this issue. Yes as a kid I was lucky enough to have a high performance sports car (one of those P-Car things) did I have the maturity for it, yes I believe so. Did I push it more than I should yes. But who drives sports cars and doesn't have to push them,(at lest every now and then) regardless of age. If we didn't we'd all be driving mini-vans. I tend to agree with those of you who believe that is depends on the maturity level of the kid. As a 18 year old I was also flying 400mph jets, which is a helluva lot harder and requires more skill then corning any car. Did I have the skill yes, maturity, yes, was this safe yes. But yet on the other side I agree given SOME kids the keys to a Ferrari is more than they can handle. But then again I have seen MANY adults I would not give the keys to a Ferrari too also.
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John A Sanders, PhD (Sandersja)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:01 am:   

I also know of kids given a new Ferrari as a good "first starter car". I must admit being initially disgusted, which was surely just envy. However, what I noticed is that their previous intense interest in cars faded rather quickly. Where do you go to from there? In my mind that seemed to be one of the bigger reasons to start out with lesser machines.
Manu (Manu)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:40 am:   

It's really sad when people get personal.

Envious of WHAT?? It's clear. You work (like 99.9% of others, including me) really hard and perhaps you have to wait till your 30's 40's etc to have access to the type of wherewithall to purchase a Ferrari.. (which is NOT a particularly big deal IMO). Then some youngster comes along at 25 and can p!ss on one and it's no big deal and he hasn't worked a day in his life or was set up into his current postion....
Sort of thing that might possibly be something to be envious of? (I know I might be)..

P.S. Get a perspective? I was driving a 550 before I was 24.... (ever heard of the phrase EGG ON FACE??)
Sebastian (Sjblaw)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:57 am:   

I can't believe I am perpetuating this ridiculous thread, but WHAT exactly am I anvious of Manu? Look at my profile before you type.

I think you are confusing "envy" with "nausea". I was selling my boat which was a $90k performance boat and some guy was going to buy it for his 16 year old son as a toy. I was thrilled when that deal fell through. I have lots of toys and I worked hard for them. Just because daddy lets you run a big company doesnt mean you have the responsibiluty to drive a 100k+ car.

get a clue, get some perspective, and, oh, by the way I did look at YOUR profile, Get a Ferrari.
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:50 am:   

The insurance industry has years of experience assesing the capabilities, skills, and maturity level of young automobile drivers.

As such their determination is... Most young drivers are more dangerous than Most older drivers.

Lomo

Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:37 am:   

BTW: as a .Com guy, i know quite a few younger people who are "self-made" when they sold out to Vulture Capitalists. In fact i had the opportunity to "sell out", yet refused to. Sure, could now be worth millions and have an Enzo, yet to see one of my dreams turn into the usual .Bomb? No thank you!

Guess it IS about personal responsibility... ethics... morals... etc.

And some Pink Floyd/Roger Waters...

"Money
It's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I'll buy me a football team"

"Now history is short
The sun is just a minor star
The poor man sells his kidneys in some colonial bazaar
Ce sera sera
Is that your new Ferrari car
Nice, but I think I'll wait for the F50"

"We got Mercedes
We got Porsche, Ferrari and Rolls Royce
Yeah, we got choice"


Enjoy the Music (Roger Water's "Amused To Death" on vinyl right now),

Steven R. Rochlin

"...We watched the tragedy unfold
We did as we were told
We bought and sold
It was the greatest show on earth
But then it was over

We ohhed and aahed
We drove our racing cars
We ate our last few jars of caviar
And somewhere out there in the stars
A keen-eyed look-out
Spied a flickering light
Our last hurrah
Our last hurrah

And when they found our shadows
Grouped 'round the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data on their lists
And then, the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed

But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death

No tears to cry, no feelings left
This species has amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
Amused itself to death"
Manu (Manu)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:23 am:   

Sebastian.. your time will come. Seem to be a little envious at the moment (which is perfectly natural). Steven - great minds think alike :-)
Sebastian (Sjblaw)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:21 am:   

As much as I would love to stay online and execute a little mental-judo on the "Ferrari's-for-Tots" Program Advocates, I have to go to work now.... not being a self made 15 year old and all.
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:16 am:   

manu,

>>>...it's about responsibility....<<<

Exactly. Perfectly said.

Enjoy the Drive,

Steven R. Rochlin
Manu (Manu)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:00 am:   

Sebastian - it's about responsibility.....

A 19 year old may not be self-made but if he/she is asked to handle responsibility (financial/to do with family/business etc etc) then whats the big deal about a big car with a big engine.

If the kid has never been asked to act responsibily before and with due consideration (this has NOTHING to do with wealth and everything to do with if the kid is a brat)then hand him/her ANY car and they will trash it or hurt someone/themselves .. the fact that it may be a Ferrari or something similar accelerates their doom.

P.S. I know personally 3 Ferrari owners in their teens. 2 are self made.
Sebastian (Sjblaw)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:54 am:   

How many self-made 19 year olds do you know?

and I think it was Trooper Scott who said, "Yeah, the car is over here, well part of it, anyways, and the body, is over there in the trees."
Manu (Manu)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:50 am:   

Age is no issue when it comes to owning a Ferrari. Why should it be? If you have the wherewithall then buy one...

A self made 19 year old is unlikely to destroy the F355 he paid for himself.

However if it's just another trinket that has been bought for him then things are liable to change.... but not *necessarily.*

I believe Enzo Ferrari once said that he "built young mens cars that only old men could afford."
Sebastian (Sjblaw)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:42 am:   

IMHO -

1. No kid should have a ferrari. Rich, or not, you do not have the maturity to handle the car, period. I have known three 17-19 year olds who were given Ferraris. All three serial #s are now unavailable if you get my gist.

2. No one with the mentality of a kid should have a Ferrari. I encounter a moron a day on the roads (and 12 a day in my office). Great immature idiot story: I was at a red light in my (now former) 360 with my girlfriend (also former as coincidence would have it), and some guy about 40 pulls up in a corvette and starts reving his engine and then pulls a brake stand and smokes his tires. He revs and revs again and when the light turns green he slams on the gas, fish tails, and goes flying off the road into a light pole. Mind you we are still just sitting at the light looking at each other in disbelief, and we jsut start laughing hysterically. What a boob.
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:39 am:   

I wrecked my first car, a nice new BMW my father got me when I was 17 so I am defineately against any young person in a Ferrari unless they can show car control and more importantly Self control. At that age hormones are flaring & its easy to become drunk with power & do something stupid & dangerous.

If I had a son I'd make sure he could control a car & he won't be getting a Ferrari till he graduates from University
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:53 am:   

Rich,
agree to a large extent, but only if we are speaking statistically.

When it comes to individual cases, some people lose the first time, others are "lucky" all their lives. I have driven with plenty of housewives and wonder at how they are alive. I also resent the fact that their carelessness never gets them tickets. Truly, society's standards are whacked.

Youngsters have sharp reflexes on their side. And incredible luck. Experience may be a tempering influence, and certainly allows us to steer clear of trouble more readily, but we all follow different paths in life. The first time and learning curve are revealed at different points and in different intensities to all of us. Intensive training programs to cover as many as tricky situations as possible sounds like a good start.
Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:48 am:   

I really don't believe age does matter on owning most things. Experience & well thought out behavior are very important in driving. Anticipation, also important, can be built on experience in some degree. Owning & driving are different issue, I think.

I was reckless when I got my DL in 18, and I admit that I didn't know how to drive with responsibility to others. Through experience, I acquired many things. Some people may accomplish this by age 20, and for others by 30, and so on. So I really don't think age is the issue here.

For rich people, Ferrari may be equivalent of Corvette, or Nissa Z or Honda Civic for average income people. Their value system will be different from below average income people. I am not saying that rich people don't appreciate, OK. I think they are lucky to be able to drive F-car at such young age, but I won't do the same to my kids. I want my kids to appreciate finer things in life by earning it, not given. I really think life will be more joyful that way.

Oh another thing, driving school will teach you technical side of driving, not mentality. Mentality should be taught by their parents through daily life. Be responsible, anticipate what could be consequence, too much emotion shouldn't take over your action, etc.

I know several young street racers who attended in driving school, and their head is overheel. They are very confident on how to handle their car. One thing missing is that what they can do should not be done on street, but on race track.

I still make stupid mistakes, but I just have to keep trying to make things better.
rich (Dino2400)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:44 am:   

Saying that maturity is the issue and not age is the typical kid sort of thing to say. The thing is, kids always think they are old enough and experienced enough to handle things. I know I did. Young people look at older people with suspicion when they talk about all that wisdom junk. I remember those days when I thought it was all a load of crap. Then I got older and understood that what most people mean by wisdom is simply having been around long enough to see a lot of stuff go down and what strategies were successful at dealing with it and which were not successful. So even if you are a smart kid, you simply haven't lived long enough to have the experience of older people. You haven't been in as many situations, seen as many consequences, etc. Even racing training doesn't prepare you for all the situations one encounters on a regular roadway. It helps you by teaching you what to do once the situation presents itself, but can do nothing to teach you to anticipate these things before they happen. Only time on this planet teaches us this. End of sermon.
Vincent (Vincent348)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:40 am:   

I dont think age matters when buying and thus owning a Ferrari. If you can then who am I to say that you shouldn't. Now, as to the responsibility that comes with ANY car out on public roads and the dangers you put yourself in or worse the danger you put others in that is a different topic.

Vincent.
Paul Thompson (Paul_t)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:26 am:   

A car will only go as fast as the driver dictates. Now some 16-21 year olds may have the maturity to drive the car with respect while others will want to show off what their exotic can really do. Some kids could well handle the car but the majority probably can't and the only time you will find out is when it is too late (or on the track). Ultimately you will never stop a kid getting in and driving a high horsepower car of any kind. In some ways i think a ferrari is a far safer car to be driving than a honda civic for example that has a turbo the size of california (would have said east anglia but that caused confussion a week back!!!) but the brakes of a push bike. Power is accessible to all ages but if you crash a ferrari over a tarted up civic what car will make the headlines with the drivers age in bold. The first time (and only so far) I have driven a ferrari I had it singing within about 2 minutes but then I have got track experiance, but the car felt so complete under me and I could almost predict what it was about to do, something i have never felt in another car, but maybe this inspires an over confidence. I don't know what the answer is but thought i would just share my opinion, right or wrong.
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:39 am:   

Amir,
I happen to know quite a few of these kids who have Testarossa and Lambo keys handed to them as soon as their feet reach the pedals. They are all over the spectrum in terms of responsibility and skill, just like the rest of society. I wonder at their parents, many of whom are compensating for neglecting them during their entire childhood. I will say that most of the Arab kids are not doing it as a form of conspicuous consumption. For the most part, boasting about them would be like you and me boasting about a Montblanc pen. It's just a nice thing. For the same reason, these cars are often treated with little respect. In India, Pakistan, Hong Kong and Japan, I get the feeling that they are definitely showing off.

As these cars are at the top end of the performance curve, and these kids are at the bottom end of the experience curve, it's a deadly combination. Throw raging hormones and peer pressure in there, and you get the high fatality and serious injury rates that are endemic in this population subgroup. It is covered up to a large extent in other countries, because the parents are usually in very influential positions, but there are a lot of deaths. I have seen or heard of dozens of cases of kids dying, becoming paraplegics, killing others, and of course, totalling their cars (over there, this is called "cancelling" a car).

To recount some (extremely disturbing) personal experiences:
I once called a friend in England to find out that he was rushing into Heathrow to catch a flight back to Bahrain because his brother and two friends had been killed in an accident on the day of their high-school graduation.

I know a kid who totaled an NSX and became paralyzed from the neck down. His parents pulled the plug on life support but he's still hanging on.

In 1995, two brothers in Dubai were racing in their separate Mercedes SL500s in a parking lot, showing off. 10 feet after they passed me and my friends, they crashed into each other. One brother was ok, but he frantically pulled his injured brother out against everyone's advice, cursing at us for not helping. That guy is now paralyzed from the waist down. After years of depression and many suicide attempts, the brother who was ok managed to take his life a couple of years ago.

I was driving with my buddies in Bahrain when we came upon a crumpled Lotus Esprit, upside down. We thought it was an old wreck and stopped to check it out. It was then we heard the music still blaring. The body of the occupant was 100 feet away. The flies started buzzing around as the shock set in.

The son of a very famous singer was killed racing his Ferrari in Bombay, a day after he had given me a ride in it (think that may have been my first ride in a Ferrari).

When I was growing up in Libya we were once driving from Benghazi to Tobruk. I saw a huge dust cloud moving across the road up ahead. I pointed it out to my Dad and we wondered about it for a bit. Shortly afterwards we passed a very serious accident, one car was a BMW (I could tell from the tail-lights, the front was smashed) and the other one was too mangled to tell. But there appeared to be red figures inside both cars. Traffic was beginning to pull over so we did too. Some 17-year old in a brand new BMW had been racing in the other direction, overtaking recklessly, and had collided head-on with people who were part of our caravan. He was killed instantly. After years of painful recovery, our family friends and their children live with the consequences to this day. The father had to have brain surgery and it affected his ability to provide for his family and his motor skills permanently. The mother has been in chronic pain from numerous shattered bones ever since. The kids, by and large, are completely messed up from being shuttled amongst relatives while the parents were fighting for their lives for years. God works in mysterious ways, indeed. The only thing I am sure of is what caused that dust cloud.

This is not a lecture. Take from it what you will. I only wrote all this because you asked. I don't think age matters as much as experience and maturity, but we all know that youth and inexperience go hand in hand. I don't ride or drive slowly myself. I do try to keep safe margins, but I have been caught out several times. Scary stuff.
Dan (Bobafett)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:36 am:   

The Admiral knows. A bounty hunter will always survive.

--Dan
Guillaume (Vancooper)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:23 am:   

I'm 21 years old and I have logged many kilometers at the wheel of a 2000 BMW M5 and it sure is a car that you need to learn the different characteristic before you can really explore its limits! When my father sold it a year ago, I hadn't driven it to its fullest yet because I didn't know it quite yet but I sure was able to drive it fast without endangering myself because I knew my limits at a given time during ownership.

I also went to the BMW advanced driver's training program which teaches you correct seat and mirror positioning, how to cause, detect and cure both understeer and oversteer as well as braking with and without ABS on a wetpad and finally some evasive driving techniques in case of something coming intruding in my driving lane. It was very educative and I have learned a great deal on that particular day.

To me, absolutly no car scares me because I will always learn a car's capacity before exploring it's limit. I haven't been at a track event just yet but I reserve my 7/10th and higher driving for track driving only.

I currently drive a Mini and I can tell you that I know that car like the back of my hand. I know exactly how it will do in a given situation and I know what to expect of my car.

In my opinion, I think that parents should encourage their kids to go to performance driving schools because so many times have I heard of incorrect techniques teached in everyday local driving school. A fellow BMW M5 owner I know told me that he knew his sons would drive fast and that thefore he would send them to a high performance driving class so that if they drove fast, they would know to correctly do so.
G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:11 am:   

If you have been brought up around sports cars since birth it's not a big deal. It's still just a car. One of the view points I see is that people judge things based on their own wallets. What may seem like a big deal or a goal to some is commonplace to others. Sad this happened but at least he was driving balls to the wall rather than sedately like alot of "sportscar drivers' do.
Alex Lee (Alxlee)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:06 am:   

I'd say maturity and experience matter more than age. Level of restraint/responsibility play a big deal too.
James Govan (Admiral_thrawn)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:56 am:   

<quote>Youth gets one from where?</quote>

- Parents

- Grandparents

- Lottary money

- Career (such as young TV/film stars, young founders of companies, etc)
Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:50 am:   

When I was 16, I got my first car - a 1965 Corvette with a 327/365hp motor, a close ratio Muncie trans and a 4.11 rear. Within two weeks, I had burned out the clutch from popping it at every light. I proceeded to replace the clutch with an L-88 heavy duty unit, built up the motor to over 400hp, and started popping the clutch at every light again. Finally got tired of straight line drag racing. Figuring it was a Corvette that should handle well, I proceeded to rail it through the local curvy roads on the edge of, and often past, the limits of a mid-60s GM suspension and became known as the "road-racing driver" of my circle. What a joke!

I am truly lucky to still be alive.
Bart Duesler (The_bart)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:46 am:   

Age brings wisdom. Wisdom earns money. Money buys a Ferrari. Youth gets one from where?
BJ (Bjkim)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:36 am:   

I am only 22 years old, and almost ready to buy one. (maybe a 95 F355 Berlinetta)

If one knows how to drive fast cars, then the age shouldn't be the problem. However, if some kid try to buy a Ferrari to show off, then it may cause big problem. (but not only for kids)
Omar (Auraraptor)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:23 am:   

Nope. No problem. But then im also biased...


...as for younger owners not babing their f-car, I beg to differ.
Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:16 am:   

Alright this is comming from a 17 year old so I am little bit biased...This question has no right answer. Different people will have different opinions to the matter based on their experiences and interactions with teenagers --both mature and not.

If I had the opportunity to own a Ferrari I would jump at it because Im confident in my ability to properly, and maturely, own and care for a car of that magnitude. Would I drive it recklessly? Never! I obviously lack the driving experience to "push" a car and have already decided I wont proceed to do that without proper high performance driving instruction.

So what Im trying to get at is this: Age shouldnt matter when owning an exotic car --depending on the individual's own maturity and responsibility. However, stereotypically, it does. Not all teenagers are immature or reckless drivers. There are exceptions (hopefully me included :-))!

One thing is for sure though...I ALWAYS wear a seatbelt.
Dan (Bobafett)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:57 pm:   

Shelbee: I disagree. Maturity is a function of a person, and only slightly correlated to age. I've seen guys twice my age in sedans pull off some of the most bone-headed things you'd imagine. Family men with solid income, etc. Personally, I prefer to keep things on the cool side, stickin gin the back of the pack if that's what it means. After all, it's not cool to be impaled by a light post.

--Dan
Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:32 pm:   

Age does not matter OWNING Ferrari but matters when it comes to driving responsibly
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:27 pm:   

My dad was always a firm believer in averting disaster through education. I learned to drive at a very early age and was able to get seat time in some pretty nifty cars from a very young age. As long as people, irrespective of age, aren't a bunch of horse's asses on the road I got no beef.

Cheers
rich (Dino2400)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:10 pm:   

I drove like a typical young person when I was that age and didn't get bitten. Now I realize I was very lucky. However, if I had had a car with Ferrari performance I may have gotten in over my head more than I did in the car I did have ('67 Mustang: fast in a straight line but not tempting to corner at speed like an F-car). I also think it is absolutely crazy that anyone, including teenagers, can walk into a bike shop and plop down $10k and ride off with 150+hp in a 400lb. bike capable of 0-100 in nothing flat. Absolutely insane. Why should I care? Well, besides empathy for family of accident victims, it makes insurance more costly for me. I rode my old Triumphs like a wild man and only crashed once (once was enough: totalled the bike and my shoulder and as I like to say 'ended my chances of pitching for the dodger') but I can't imagine I'd have been so lucky on a Hayabusa or GSXR. I wasn't too good at knowing my own limits on a Ducati in my 30s so I can't imagine myself on a fast bike in my teens!

My oldest is only 7 but he's already a terror of the cul-de-sac on his bicycle. I'd better tuck some money away to get him some racing schools and track time and a race car and then maybe he'll take it easy as a driver and motorcyclist on the street. (most bike racers i know stop riding on the street all together: too dangerous they say!). The thought of my kids behind the wheel scares the crap out of me already.
William A. Swezey II (Swezey)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:17 pm:   

Amir,

It seems to me that part of the mystique of owning / driving a Ferrari is that there are so few of them and they are so dear to buy / maintain. For most of us, we must work and save to buy our first (and maybe only) Ferrari. Because of this, it seems that the average Ferrari owner while certainly not babying the car, will be a little less reckless with it than someone who either had one given to them or was born into so much money that they could just go out and buy one whenever the whim first hit them. If someone did a study, I'm sure they'd find the accident rate much higher among young drivers who did not purchase their own cars due to their relative inexperience driving and they're casual attitude about the car itself seeing as they did not have to work their a** off for it. Just my two cents - Im trying to be a good Ferrarichat citizen and contribute when I can. Thanks.
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:17 pm:   

He didn't respect the car and it bit him. Perhaps with more driving experience (just a guess), he might have pulled back and realized its no Ugly Duckling rent-a-wreck he's driving and it should be handled carefully.

If you can and your young, go for it. However, I wasn't given the keys right away when I had my permit or my license to my Father's 485hp Chevy SS II until I earned my stripes, as they say. I've only been driving for a few years so I have much to learn.

I feel sorry for the family. I'm putting my kids into lessons and performance driving schools at the earliest possible opportunity if they want to go. Otherwise, it will be many years before they've sufficiently earned the right to borrow the keys to one of the "cars."

Sunny
Amir H. (355spiderman)
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:07 pm:   

After reading the Post about the crash of the 355 and the driver was only 20 years old, many people thought that was a very young age to have/drive a ferrari. My question/observation is that in the middle east such as U.A.E, Saudi Arabia There are many kids that drive/own ferrari's,lambos, astins. I think you have to be 18 to have a license in UAE and Saudi Arabia. I have no problems with a 16-21 year old driving a ferrari...What are your opinions on the kids there and the view of kids driving ferraris here?
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