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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 825
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:43 pm: | |
Steven, i had the same experience with my Nsx, it cost more to operate than my Diablo. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 1608
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:05 pm: | |
SON OF A •••••!!!!!!
My timing sucks. Just bought wife a BMW 740iL. Working on buying a mobile home park right now so need to keep my cash for that dump. Gonna flip it so could be profitable, but not for a few months.
Somebody will buy it for $39,500. •••• •••• ••••.
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Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 575
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:28 pm: | |
Allan,
>>>If you have to worry about the servicing costs, you cant afford it in the first place.<<<
Amen! Sad fact is, my HONDA DEL SOL is costing me more to keep going than the Ferrari. FYI i am the original owner of the Honda, the only driver, and have ALWAYS kept her well serviced. ALWAYS. Still, the Honda costs me more than the 308(!).
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 574
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:21 pm: | |
Martin,
Germany was great, as always... but there was a race the same weekend so no 'ring fun for me :-(
That's ok as Italy is only a month or so away and Brazil is only days away. Staying about 2 miles from Interlagos and i have friends who get me access :-)
Of course the autobahn was well worth the trip to Germany as here in the USA you get speeding tickets for doing 101mph in a 55mph zone. Not that a small pink slip of paper says this happened to me on the 19th of May at 10:37AM or anything like that ;-)
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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Joe Pino (Joe_pino)
New member
Username: Joe_pino
Post Number: 3
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:18 pm: | |
After doing some work myself on my Lamborghini, I'm really beginning to understand a statement JRV had made a while back :
>>The secret to "retained value" is 1- servicing & repairing the car correctly (perfectly) at a fair price 2- doing the work so nicely & cleanly that the car looks untouched to the naked eye. When serviced in this manner the car remains "cherry" forever, no matter what has been done along the way. <<
Specifically no. 2> doing the work so nicely and cleanly that the car looks untouched to the naked eye. Bottom line : there's a certain price that must be paid for that, not necessarily always in terms of dollars, but also in terms of having a good relationship with a good mechanic and leaving that mechanic alone to do it right, his way, his price, how ever long it takes.
Working on Lamborghini's / Ferrari's is challenging. Heck, i.e. if you lean on something the wrong way and crack it (I have not, as of yet anyway), it may never be the same.
And thinking that something might be easy, may not be, and it's necessary to have the right patience and attitude to accomplish that specific repair.
It's hard work ! (is what I'm trying to say)
Drop a wrench in the wrong spot and it's time for a new paint job, or at a minimum a otherwise virgin area of the car is no longer virgin.
Even mechanics who quote $$, do so in approximations, because they do not have a crystal ball. And yes, even some mechanics who have quoted approximate prices have wished they hadn't when they see the POS arrive to there shop on a flat bed looking like it has been parked in the Mojave Desert for 3 years. That's when the right to turn away work comes into play.
J.P.
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melo yelo (Meloyelo)
Junior Member
Username: Meloyelo
Post Number: 89
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:11 pm: | |
Actually it was this week. I guess I lost time somehow. Too much Crown and Coke this afternoon.
my |
Brian W (Jetx)
New member
Username: Jetx
Post Number: 38
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:04 pm: | |
>>Well said. Fair car, fairly priced. Maybe it is too cheap, price it at $60k and let someone "get lucky" by talking you down to $50k. They'll think they got a deal. <<
It's funny people judge cars by price. If it's cheap, it's got problems. Yet wasn't there another member that looked at a lot of not-so-cheap 512BBs and most were crap?
Bottom line is what people think cars are worth and what they actually sell for are two completely different things. Some of the best advice I got was find out what the wholesale price to a dealer was for <insert> and that's what they're worth. I used that as the basis for what I'd pay for my car. That doesn't mean I'd get a POS because of this, and two separate mechanics both gave me the thumbs up on my purchase. Depending on how you look at it, I either paid a couple thousand more than wholesale, or $17k under asking.
If you look around there's a glut of F-cars on the market, and the economy hasn't helped things.
Martin, if I hadn't just bought my car, I'd pick up that TR for your reserve price, and drive the **** out of it.
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melo yelo (Meloyelo)
Junior Member
Username: Meloyelo
Post Number: 88
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:03 pm: | |
I met JRV last week. I went to his shop to look at a car that was in for service and was for sale. The owner told me to go to JRVs and look at it.
I went. I walked in and introduced myself to JRV and told him I was there to look at a car he was servicing. He got the keys and gave me the tour of the car. He had worked on it exclusivly for the current owner. Gave me all the history. Cranked it up and then he got a call. I looked at the car for a few minutes and turned it off.
He came back out and asked if I wanted a quick ride. He took me out for a 4 mile or so round trip to show me the car. He gave me more info while riding around. He was very accomodating.
He did not have to do any of that. He is in the business to service cars and dealing with some guy he has never met and showing a car is something he did not have to do. I appreciate his time in doing that and had a really nice experience in meeting him.
I have seen his posts on Fchat and was wondering if he would just blow me off when I walked in. He did not.
All I am saying is that he seemed like a nice guy in person and based on my few minutes with him, I would use his services IF I HAD A FREAKIN FERRARI!!!!! Maybe I will someday.
my |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 789
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 5:01 pm: | |
If you have to worry about the servicing costs, you cant afford it in the first place. |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1988
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:59 pm: | |
>>not everyone on this board is cheap or unwilling to have their cars serviced properly.<<
Maybe that's why I named the cheapos, ya think?
Maybe that's why I expressed gratitude to those here "that understand", ya think?
And I'm still completely baffled by this unrelenting insistence that "I" post numbers ...boggles my mind....there are probably 10 guys here that can post numbers...why do you people obsess that it HAS TO BE ME ???????
Ferraris are very simple to figure out for those that "want to"..TIME & MATERIALS...that's it!!! TIME & MATERIALS...is that to hard to grasp for 1 or 2 of you guys? Simple!
If Ferrari Designs a car that requires 20 hours to put air in a tire than it costs 20 hours X shop rate to get air in your tire...I don't design this stuff to be excesively expensive...I have nothing to do with it...now if you don't want to pay me for my hard work because mechanics are all rip offs and don't deserve to be paid money because after all they're only lowly grease monkies and you only wanted to be cool and paying for service isn't cool and takes away from your vacation in Honolulu...well...bring it on!!!
Martin, for the second time, I don't care about your TR or who worked on it or if it can fly to the moon on half a tank of gas. The prices are LOW for reasons, and I've outlined those "reasons". And for every nice one out there I can show you one with 10 yr old brake fluid and oil in it, "because I only put a few miles on it" "so why should I change fluids"!!!
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Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member
Username: Drtax
Post Number: 191
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:58 pm: | |
Sorry Martin, I'll steal your thread one last time, I promise. No, really....
Hey Guys, JR is JR. After X number of years of being in bidness, he has earned the right to do things his way, even if that includes ranting and raving.
All of us, on the other hand, have the right to ignore JR. Personally, because I can't afford to spend all day browsing FC, I have built a mental list of posters who I ignore completely. So if you find JR offensive, then don't read him. Lord knows we must all suffer from professional ADD given the amount of time we spend here. (My only defense is that I do a lot of writing, and I flip back and forth between what I'm working on and FC. Hey, I didn't say it was a good excuse. But that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
What got me on a soap box was folks flaming JR for offering free advice. Just remember, free advice is worth what you paid for it.
End of sermon. Your thread Martin.
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Anthony Griffin (Redjeeper)
Junior Member
Username: Redjeeper
Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:54 pm: | |
After this thread, I think I'll go to the bar after work. Have a good weekend guys. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5242
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:54 pm: | |
screw it...I"ll just walk downstairs.
See you guys MOnday.
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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5241
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:53 pm: | |
I am on hold for my wife to find out when we are leaving. Sold the car I drove to the office so I need here to take me to the bar |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5240
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:52 pm: | |
TC LOL at least you can not lose those damn balls in waterhazards !
know what you mean there. thats a whole different thing though. |
TC (Houston) (Tec)
Junior Member
Username: Tec
Post Number: 141
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:51 pm: | |
One more thing, Martin. Shouldn't you be at happy hour now? |
TC (Houston) (Tec)
Junior Member
Username: Tec
Post Number: 140
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:50 pm: | |
"If you are a lawyer making $300 an hour why not pay your mechanic $100 an hour while you work to fix your toy?"
That's a good point, but I do some work on my car not just to save money but because I actually *enjoy* doing it. It's like a day on the golf course for me. Actually, it's more fun than that.
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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5237
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:45 pm: | |
Steven,
LOL for $20K you will get no bids....
That car must be falling apart!
(I know what you mean )
How was Germany BTW? |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5236
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:44 pm: | |
There is just no justification why someone that is mechanically advanced should not be able to do his own service. It is tough since you have to drop the engine on a 355 or TR or 348 but it is no brain surgery.
I could not since I have two left hand and both are challenged. Then I do not even understand how a friggn engine works, let alone try to service on. I would not. That does not mean you can not do it though. There is plenty of garage guys that do their own work and do it right and just as well as a certified mechanic.
The JRVs can easily survive of guys like myself. Those that either can not or just don't have the time.
If you are a lawyer making $ 300 an hour why not pay your mechanic $100 an hour while you work to fix your toy?
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Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 573
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:41 pm: | |
Martin,
Well said. Fair car, fairly priced. Maybe it is too cheap, price it at $60k and let someone "get lucky" by talking you down to $50k. They'll think they got a deal.
Wonder what would happen if i posted the '85 308GTS QV here for $20k?
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5235
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:39 pm: | |
I don't feel belittled, thanks for the thoughts though Allan. I feel somewhat disappointed in what this threat has turned out to be.
JRV comes highly recommended yet such generalizations are somewhat unfair if you make them in a treat about a car that you do not know. It suggests that all cars under $40K are wrecks and I can assure you this one is not. It is not a concourse contender that is why this car is priced low. Mechanics on this car are excellent from when I parked the car a few weeks ago at the warehouse.
Since I just sold my 355B Yellow I will have to pick up this car and drive it till the Challenge comes back from painting.
Anyhow some of you have gotten the picture here. This is a great car as a driver. You get it at a good price and it has a fresh clutch, frsh service (1 1/2 years old) and will make you happy with smiling miles.
No hard feelings to anyone of you just start your own tread if you want to voice a general opinion about a similar subject, especially if it reflects or suggests on the original post.
(and I may have been guilty myself several times of such doing)
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Anthony Griffin (Redjeeper)
New member
Username: Redjeeper
Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:36 pm: | |
I'll do that. Speaking of which, I will be in the market for a 355 Berlinetta next summer. I better start getting my education.
P.S. JRV, I will not be doing the service on this car, I know my mechanical limitations. No one should get a car like this if they can't afford to have it serviced properly. Whether it be DIY or sending it to a certified mechanic. |
Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1074
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
Anthony,
spend the 5c, reach out, and touch JRV.
--Dan |
Anthony Griffin (Redjeeper)
New member
Username: Redjeeper
Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:31 pm: | |
Don, I'm not asking for a concrete quote. I'm just asking what the general service cost on this type of car. When I went to FOA, the manager told me about the service requirements of the 355 I was looking at so that I would know the ballpark to help me decide on the car. That is all we are asking, just general figures. I'm not pointing fingers at JRV, I'm just interested in numbers, that's all. |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member
Username: The_don
Post Number: 6077
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:27 pm: | |
quote:When I take my Lexus in for service, I expect a verbal quote on the service before the car is brought in so that I can get my money in order. I also expect a written quote when the car is taken in and the price differs from the previous conversation.
You are asking JRV for a price quote on a car he has not seen.
That is not a fair arguement.
When my 308 needed a major, ferrari in woodland hills (auto gallery) would not give me a price over the phone without looking over the car first.
and also, a Ferrari is not handled and serviced like anyother car. It's a different way the f-car mechanics operate.
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Anthony Griffin (Redjeeper)
New member
Username: Redjeeper
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:23 pm: | |
JRV, as a newer Tifosi, I am still trying to learn the details of owning an Fcar. I understand that you say several things have to be taken into consideration when servicing an Fcar, but no one is going to hold you to a general quote of sevice cost when you haven't even seen the car in question. We are just trying to find out what it cost to service a TR as opposed to an 8 cylinder Fcar. I'm sorry about your pet, I used to be a pet owner and I know how you feel. But, not everyone on this board is cheap or unwilling to have their cars serviced properly. It is kind of mean for you to assume that all of us are. When I take my Lexus in for service, I expect a verbal quote on the service before the car is brought in so that I can get my money in order. I also expect a written quote when the car is taken in and the price differs from the previous conversation. This is just standard practice. I don't know you personally, but the tone you are giving in this post is that other mechanics are incompetant and that it is a priveledge for you to work on a customer's car. Please don't be offended by my comments because they are not meant to be judgemental, but some of us don't know what has happened on this forum before we joined and we really don't care. |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member
Username: The_don
Post Number: 6073
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 4:15 pm: | |
JRV,
you do not have to defend yourself.
Those who know you do, those who don't, don't.
Take comfort in the fact that you do good, honest work.
That should be all that matters |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1987
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | |
>>he has even talked me out of doing stuff that would have cost money and been a waste of time/money. <<
These guys have no idea how important that is for long term relationships between owners and mechanics.
The truth of the matter is the guys trying to bash me despise the fact that their car costs them money in service. They want all they pose and none of the finacial responsibility that goes along with it.
It's all about attitude, it's easy to see who understands and deserves to own these cars and who doesn't.
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JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 1986
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:10 pm: | |
>>When working for many years on long complex projects, with wealthy individuals, you look for the best customers to invest your time with. <<
Not neccesarily wealthiest...one looks for "THE BEST PEOPLE" to invest ones time with. The ones who understand what working on and playing with "TOYS" is all about. Those with whom one has mutual understanding with, and respect for each ones particular place in the game.
I will never make excuses for reserving the right to refuse service to someone. It's my Time and my hard work and my reputation at stake and have no intentions of assuming all the risks involved in this game for cheap asses who are trying to live the High life at my expense.
Doing things right Once is never more expensive than doing it over and over to try and achieve descent results. For those who don't have thew money or time to do something right...walk away...leave it alone...accept that you are not suited for the game and the games predefined rules. But to try and beat up the messenger will not play with me.
And Martin,
No one said anything about your TR, only about TR's in general and why they are under $40K. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 4201
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:07 pm: | |
Allen if you knew martin, I doubt he feels belittled - he is probably out having a few drinks right now |
Sean F (Agracer)
Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 267
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:05 pm: | |
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. |
Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 3275
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:03 pm: | |
Allan, theres nothing wrong with Jerry Springer! Even though he does make a complete mockery of daytime talk shows, its a great program. My favorite part of the show is the last 10 minutes , which i like to call the "make fun of the guests segment". I just wish the overweight women would keep their clothes on. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 786
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 3:00 pm: | |
My point is that Martin, who is a well known and respected contributor to this board, makes a post on selling a Testarossa, and right away 50 guys belittle him.
See on this forum, people just love to fight. Its like Jerry Springer on here.
Instead of making posts saying"How many do you want for that price" all that had to be said was, good luck, or if i know someone interested ill let you know. And this is how a RESPECTED member is treated.
Same with Jrv, who contributes substantially to this board. |
Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member
Username: Coachi
Post Number: 319
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:57 pm: | |
ok, JRV cannot be all that bad...he is home waiting to have his 13 year old dog put down. I feel for that dog and for its owner. If you love dogs and have had as many to love as I have, you know what he is going through. So, regardless of how much he charges for things, he IS good from what I hear and he is having a bad day...Keep that in mind please |
Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:57 pm: | |
Allan, I own neither a Ferrari or Lambo and I find most of your posts pretty childish. |
Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 311
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:55 pm: | |
You know what. My Alfa mechanic is ALOT like JRV. In fact, at first I was a little scared to bring my car to him (the alfa mechanic), based on all of the stories I had heard. But I did, mainly out of convenience (he's only 10 min away from me).
And you know what? I keep going back. Yes he's got an attitude. But he is good. He looks at my car first, then tells me what he thinks it's going to cost, and why it needs to be done. And he does the job, and he does it well. Money well spent. In fact, on several instances, he has even talked me out of doing stuff that would have cost money and been a waste of time/money.
I don't know JRV, but if I lived in the area, I would at least take my car to him, and talk to him. You never know, he may turn out to be a great investment for your car
Dom |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 785
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:55 pm: | |
Sean, what would any of this have to do with you? Are you a Ferrari or a Lamborghini owner? |
Sean F (Agracer)
Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:51 pm: | |
Yet what do your posts say about Lamborghini owners? |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 784
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:47 pm: | |
Martin, arent Ferrari guys great. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 412
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:39 pm: | |
No offense Martin,
I'm a skeptic and a speculator by nature. Not saying this deal isn't a good one. ( See the quote in my profile).
I wish I was in your neck of the woods, I would love to come by and take a close look at the car and roll some numbers.
DJ |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5232
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:36 pm: | |
Spider 348,
thanks John, you got the picture right!
That is exactly what it is! A Great Driver! |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5231
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:32 pm: | |
got more attention that I wanted that is for sure. Just look at all that ranting on and on and we still do not know howmuch that darn 30K cost in Houston!
Boy am I glad that I have choices here in Miami.
I have put a lot of money into this car. It is mechanically sound and runs strong. New interior to the tune of $ 2,000 with dash recovered and seats redone. Rack&Pinion and several oil leaks. My cost in this car is higher than my reserve. Gladly open the books and show you.
I guess the moral is, unless I can offer a 3,000 Mile Garage Queen from 1853 in mint original paint I should not even bother! ...and it has to be maintained by JRV or Shelton otherwise who knows what service was done on that car!
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p8ge (P8ge)
New member
Username: P8ge
Post Number: 28
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:22 pm: | |
allan, that's the best you can come up with? must be an off day for you budy! |
ELI (Titanium360)
Member
Username: Titanium360
Post Number: 497
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:20 pm: | |
Martin, where is my comission? |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 4195
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:19 pm: | |
man, martin sure got a lot of attention on his listing |
ELI (Titanium360)
Member
Username: Titanium360
Post Number: 496
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:15 pm: | |
Rob, well said. |
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member
Username: Tr90
Post Number: 215
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 2:09 pm: | |
Dale, first of all i don't understand you attitude? if you read the the thread me and mark politley asked JRV what he would charge for a 30K service. All he had to do was to say i don't quote over the internet and that would have been it. but no he has to let everyone knows he is gods gift to Ferrari and start rambling on how good he is and give us attitude. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 5629
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
I see your point Dale, but JRV could of nicely stated something like "Please give me a call and we'll talk offline." I just don't see much use for the long winded rantings on how much experience he has, how good his work is, how everyone else on this thread is not worthy, and how his dog is getting Kavorkianated.
The simple question was how much for a 30k service and I agree JRV shouldn't answer online, but a simple answer like I suggested would of been great.
IMHO JRV is probably one of the best Ferrari wrenches in the world and I would love for him to work on my cars.
Now would I want to have a beer with John? Based on what I know from this board I doubt it, but I'll reserve judgment until after I meet him in person. I like that he is straight shooting, but even the best marksman can have a twitch.
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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member
Username: Djparks
Post Number: 411
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
John, Well stated. 30k in the last five years= 6k a year. It keeps them healthy. I believe in that. My thoughts were what if the car was driven 30k in five years with short cuts taken in maintenance. At the end of the five years the balloon gets a little thin.
I guess the answer to the question is a thorough PPI. The car will sell itself on it's own merits after the PPI is done regardless of records and previous claims.
Wonder how much wear is left on the clutch.
The price is enticing though!
DJ |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member
Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 61
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:45 pm: | |
Wow that was subtle. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
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Post Number: 1617
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Charging "too much" is difficult to tell. I think we all agree you get what you pay for.
I did a search on Pebble Beach to find an old thread with hopefully a list of people who were going. Listed there was the following thread, which is quite pertinent to this thread:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/18/178045.html
Now those are some sick cars and I know of others that have rumbled through his shop that are also pretty darn kick ass. Someone with that kind of background should command top tier prices. I know this doesn't apply to the major service but in quotes in general. I'd rather have someone tell me something costs 10k and have it turn out to be 8k, than someone who claims 3k and have it turn out 8k. Quotes are misleading. The final job is what counts.
Cheers |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
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Post Number: 2132
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Rick, of course his price is high. What do you think he meant by this post?
"LOL...not that much, however I get at least 30 phone calls a year inquiring about the price of a 30K service...when I give the answer all I hear is "click" ! or on a lucky call, well how bout an oil change then !!! LOL"
As Matt and others have stated, he comes highly recommended but not cheap. We've seen what happens here when he's talked about pricing before and then had to defend himself against a mob. No need for that. If you want him to quote you a price, give him a call. If he's too expensive for your budget, then take your business elsewhere. There's no point in trying to corner him into quoting prices on the Web (where they will be in the archives FOREVER) and then bashing him when they are higher than a competitor. |
Sean F (Agracer)
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Post Number: 264
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Jeez, the thread was just getting good then the troll has to show up. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 777
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Btw, i do agree with whomever it was that said a TR with Koeing bodywork and 18 inch wheels would be cool. |
Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
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Username: Fuiszt
Post Number: 111
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Much more terrifying is the silver 355 spyder on ebay with rusty door sills and peeling paint. Used as a salt water fish tank? |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Post Number: 776
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:42 pm: | |
On the subject of Testarossa's, i wonder which car is worth more, a 1985 Testarossa or a 1985 Countach? lol |
BobD (Bobd)
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Post Number: 1369
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:41 pm: | |
Norwood's shop is 250 miles north of Houston. These guys know a little about F-cars too. I'd consider that option. |
Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:38 pm: | |
Rick, I don't understand your attitude. Do you think that JR is obligated to tell you anything? Hey, if he pisses you off, then don't do business with him. It's as simple as that.
I can tell you that I'd never guote a fee in a forum like this. |
john beaucher (Spider348)
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:37 pm: | |
Maintenance nightmare, doubtful. TR was driven 30k miles in the last 5 years. Appears to be well maintained and, in my opinion, well and honestly presented as a reasonably priced driver by Martin. I think it�s a buy!
Have a PPI done and budget accordingly.
Probably a lot less trouble than an 18-year-old �jewel� with 4k miles total.
Just my opinion, worth precisely what you paid for it.
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RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:35 pm: | |
Dale, no one is claiming that he is charging too much. all we asked him was how much for a 30K service on a TR. by the way he still has not responded so how do we know if he is high or low? |
Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:32 pm: | |
Plus you know the downside with this car-current price minus salvage value. Better deal for sure than if you currently own a 550, 575 etc.where your losing 40K a year in depreciation alone. |
Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
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Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:31 pm: | |
I'm going to guess that those of you jumping on JR's case are not self employed. Because bitching at someone cause they insist on charging what they are worth is a typical employee attitude. Anybody who has never owned their own business just doesn't have a clue as how the wheel turns. Most employees think that their paycheck is a god-given right and that their employer is ripping them off.
Well, welcome to the other side of the tracks, baby. So what if JR is hot tempered? By virture of staying alive, he has the right to do whatever he wants. Frankly, I'm amazed at the freebies that he offers on this board. Trust me, if this was TaxPlanningChat.com, I wouldn't be giving it away.
I'll leave you with on old story about a patient who complained about his doctor bill. "Doc, look, I know that you saved my life, but $5,000! Come on, man. The surgery only lasted 1 hour!"
Doc later sends the patient an itemized bill for $5,000. The bill runs for pages and pages. It shows $1.15 charge for needles, $2.45 for thread, etc, etc, etc. All this detail totals $100.
Then on the last page, there is just a one-line descripton:
Knowing where to cut........ $4,900.
Dale
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Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
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Username: Fuiszt
Post Number: 109
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:21 pm: | |
It might be a nightmare, but you also might be able to drive and enjoy it for a long time without a bunch of headaches. I bet it gets better and better with use. Plus its got the flying mirrors-you get one the way Pininfarina drew it originally. I wish I could convince my wife that true happiness comes with two ferraris. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 410
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:15 pm: | |
Brian, In answer to your question; although the asking price is reasonable one may find the car could become a maintenance nightmare. It's obvious this one is 'well used' and using JRV's analogy it could well be a ticking time bomb of items that, instead of nickel and dimeing to death, could cost 5k here and 10k there. Maintance is more expensive on these than a 308 or 328.
A question to ask, 'Just how well was it maintained?' and 'Was it maintained properly or just used?'
DJ |
Brian Puskas (Inter911)
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
With 328's asking for about the same $ what am I missing here? I've always thought that the TR was a very stylish and unique car. IMHO it beats most of the newer models hands down. There's no mistaking a TR for what it is! |
"The Don" (The_don)
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Post Number: 6066
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:49 pm: | |
Martin,
Will you take my car in trade? I'll throw in a extra coil ;) |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Post Number: 409
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:47 pm: | |
Yes, I just checked Ebay and nobody has bid on it yet.
DJ |
Brian W (Jetx)
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:40 pm: | |
Wasn't this thread about a TR for sale? |
Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
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Post Number: 317
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 12:38 pm: | |
since I started some of this mess by mentioning parting the car out when the timing belts go... simply meant parting out the body, the alternator and whatever...they will fetch a nice price. In JRV's defense...I must say the it is difficult to quote a job when you have not seen what needs to be done, and yes most dealers will quote a figure (say 5,000) when asked, but ask Frank Parker, and he will agree with me...when they start working on it, they always seem to find things that need to be done and SHOULD be done. JRV has been mentioned in the past as a knowledgeable and meticulous Ferrari mechanic. I wish he was closer to me, I would let him quote some jobs on my cars. He is entitled to his opinion, and he is a valuable resource in the FerrariChat room, as he has helped me several times. I am not kissing a**, just telling it like it is. He is reluctant to say $5,000 and then tell you you need 3000 more for additional repairs...If I misunderstood this thread...I am sorry and I apologize to JRV and everyone else as well. |
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