| Author |
Message |
Topdaytrader (Topdaytrader)
New member
Username: Topdaytrader
Post Number: 30
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 9:09 pm: | |
LOL~ |
Allan R. Fiedler Sr. (Mrfiedler)
New member
Username: Mrfiedler
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:40 pm: | |
The most cordial greetings to everyone at Ferrari Chat. First, please accept my sincerest apologies for anything my confused, misled son has said or done here. My name is Allan R. Fiedler, the father of Allan Fiedler JR who I assume most of you have met and is the focus of this thread. Several business collegues of mine have forwarded links to several chat rooms where my name has apparantly been associated with much negativity and unruly behavior. Apparantly my son has been posing at several sites, claiming to own my Lamborghini Diablo, and his uncle's NSX and F355. It appears as if my letting him drive these cars has boosted his ego to the point where he has become uncontrollable. Please, just ignore my son when he returns from his one-month punishment grounding. And if anybody has a problem with Allan JR, please contact me via email. Thank you.
Dr. Allan R. Fiedler SR. |
L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member
Username: Testaroja
Post Number: 67
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 8:07 pm: | |
The u.s.a. f 40 didnt have the european 202mph top speed with the short gear ratios, there was an option of taller gears for the f 40 and then it would reach 211mph.
By the way the f 40 is so fast that the diablo would need so much road that it would never catch up to the f 40.
The lamborghini v12 was an engine design by giotto bizarrini a man that worked at ferrari while phil hill was racing for ferrari. If he didnt quit Ferrari the design of that v12 would of have found its way in a ferrari engine bay most likely.
I like ferrari in that they are better put together, better engineering, the motors are more advance, etc. The lamborghini its got the angular looks that only the ugly 308gt4 design by bertone didnt match by a long shot. Out of all the lamborghini cars i prefer the looks of the european countach over the diablo, the murcielago its like a modern version of the countach, and so it should be because the company name is also wrong, lamborghini became the countach. Even before Ferrucio Lamborghini sold the company he didnt love the countach project or had much to do with it, maybe a little bit in the begining. The countach saved lamborghini and it also should have replaced its name. If that car saved the company and became the car that showed the way to the rest of the world on how to build dream machines and also the legend that it is then this car its above the diablo or murcielago as a status symbol.
I am a 2 ferrari owner but cant deny that the countach its got a magic that other cars may never have, and thats including many ferraris. Its like a 360 modena. no matter how fast or how high tech. it is, it will never sound or give the rough edge like a testarossa or countach, and it will never ever have the same impact on its driver or public when it hits the streets. By the way the countach wins hands down in engine sound alone over any other lamborghini. The new ferrari sound is "modern" but the older ferrari noise was a masterpiece. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member
Username: Artherd
Post Number: 586
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 1:25 am: | |
I heard a Diablo VT do a pass down a dragstrip. Only got into 3rd gear, car was just getting to LIKE it, then he had to shut down (because he was at the other end of the track!)
Sound was pretty f-ing cool. I like Ferrari's generally higher-pitch better though. (eg Dan's 550/Cargraphic) Ferrari is a dozen trumpets, Lambo is a dozen Trombones.
Both are very, very, very cool.
Best!
Ben |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 831
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:19 pm: | |
I wouldnt pay 5cents for a 308gt4, and love the look of the Countach. |
mike montoya (Racer_f50)
New member
Username: Racer_f50
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:14 pm: | |
[Quote] from allen: "Nick, how small a company is Lamborghini? Has it had Fiats backing? No. Times will change."[/quote]
it didn't have support in the past, but it's had VW/Audi's ownership for quite a while now, and that seems like a much bigger company than Fiat (at least here in America). Seriously, they could've at least tried something by now in the racing scene.
this whole argument is pretty retarded. it's like fighting over vanialla/chocolate ice cream, just plain s-t-u-p-i-d.
lambo doesn't really make GTs, Ferrari does, hense the somewhat compromised roadcars. They're not all meant to be diablo/murc beating supercars. those magazines seriously need to pull their heads right out of their asses and stop comparing cars like that. I enjoyed the 0-100-0 test, recently, though, since at least that test put comparable cars together (mostly). I loved the Enzo Vs. Superbike part of it, really impressive what Ferrari can do.
an personally, i think the countach is ugly, don't know what all you guys see in it. i'd take a Dino 308gt/4 over the Countach any day. |
Gregg Willhoit (Gregg)
New member
Username: Gregg
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:21 pm: | |
Allan,
You're spot on regarding the comment in the R&T article about the Lambo having to run on a wet surface. I'm not religious about any one marque.
If I could, I'd own them all, however I have a SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) at home...
True, there are some things I would change about the F355, especially the interior. Too me, the preponderance of the R&D went into the 5valve engine (from the 348). But, I'm truly shocked at the beastlike sturdiness of chassis, and the robustness of the engine. I'd always heard (this is my first), that F-cars were maintenance nightmares. My experience to date, has been the opposite.
I have not, will I denegrate Lambos. I've always lusted after the Diablo, purely a visceral attraction. I also like the fact that they reserved the scissor doors for the Murcialago(sp).
Regards |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 827
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:09 pm: | |
Marvin, i have not driven a Gt, but from what ive heard they are capable of 0-100 in under 8 seconds. There is actually a test, by Road and Track, which had a Diablo Gt and a RUf such as the one we're discussing here. They didnt give the exact specs in anything but top speed, but did say the Diablo Gt had the most brutal acceleration of any of the cars. The 520Hp Ruf won the top speed shootout at 205mph, with the Lambo 2nd at 202mph, but they noted the Lambo could have gone faster, but when its turn came up it was raining and the track was wet, so coming out of the last turn it was getting sideways and losing speed. The Gt is my favorite Diablo.
Greg, i meant for you to answer my questions in the previous thread, not a compro between the 355 and RUF. |
Gregg Willhoit (Gregg)
New member
Username: Gregg
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 9:01 pm: | |
Allan,
One lesson I've learned in my 45 years is that "there is always someone better" than I am.
I'm not an aficionado of drag racing, I'm more of a Watkins Glen kind of man.
I'll give you my impression of the F355. Tighter,
greater torsional rigidity, better balance than the RUF, and as long as you keep her above 5k RPM, she has plenty of power. I'm as surprised as anyone about the brute strength of the F355 frame.
Between the RUF and the F355, I'll use a favorite analogy of mine. The RUF is the callipygian ecclesiast who tempts you at Treasures, the F355 is the svelte Femme Fatale whom you go home with.
Regards |
Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
Junior Member
Username: Mdb69
Post Number: 76
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:55 pm: | |
Allan, how does a Diablo GT compare to the SV? |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 826
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:53 pm: | |
Greg, RuF Porsches dont impress me. Im sure they are faster than stock Diablo, albeit you choose the slowest Diablo to compare to and not the Sv, but my car is not stock.
As for the Ruf needing to be illegal, lets get real, its not that fast. Being a former Porsche owner, try strapping yourself into a 714rwhp, not 520flywheel hp, 2490pd, not 3200pd Porsche and then youll see the meaning of should be illegal.
Why dont you answer my questions in my previous post then, being a 355 owner?
This is what my Porsche looked like from a dead stop, try that in a Ruf. |
Gregg Willhoit (Gregg)
New member
Username: Gregg
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:40 pm: | |
Allanlambo,
I, like you, own an F355. Like you, I also own other "sports cars". I've noticed that you like to proffer stats, reviews, etc.. regaling the Lambo, and deprecating the F-car. I'd like to take a slightly different approach. Instead of proselytizing (get too much of that in the Bible belt anyway), why don't we embrace the different marques for what they are? Ferrari, high rpm, unbelievable aural quality, Lambo, avant-garde styling and engineering, Ruf, Porsche on steroids,should be illegal. Anyway, I realize that most of your posts are meant to be incendiary, to provoke thought and diatribe, however, none of us who've never owned a Lambo probably won't (exception being the Gallardo), because prior to the purchase of our Ferrari's, we bought in, hook line and sinker, to the legend of Ferrari or Porsche, the heritage as it were.
IMHO, when Lamborghini enters into competition with F-cars, P-cars etc, in the same manner as Audi, then converts will
deluge Lambo with purchase orders. Until then, in the famous words of Clara Bow ("Where's the beef?").
I also own a 97 RUF Cabriolet.
http://fast-cars.net/compare/?id=99&id2=83
Regards
|
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 824
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:38 pm: | |
Andrew your above mentioned author, wrote none of the articles ive mentioned.
As for a Diablo not sounding well, lol, there has never been a Ferrari owner that i met, that did not absolutely love the sound.
David R, why would i buy an Enzo to be considered owning the best? I think a Pagani Zonda C12S is superior, and am working on trying to buy one.
Maybe you guys can explain this, since according to you, i own a horrendous piece of crap wannabe Lamborghini with no race heritage, and i own, what is considered by some one of the greatest Ferraris, the 355, with its F1 race inspired 8500rpm motor. So why when i drive my piece of crap Diablo, in 115 degree heat, does the temp stay at a constant 180 degrees? When in traffic, it might hit 190? But my super F1 inspired Fiats temp gauge bounces all over the place, and when it gets in traffic, will nicely settle itself slightly below the 260 red mark? This according to what is written here is normal, and confirmed by Scottsdale Ferrari. Why in my piece of crap Lambo, does it shift smooth as butter, while my super Fiat is balky and reluctant? Why does my piece of crap lambo, with much more miles have absolutely no squeeks or rattles, and yet in my Super Fiat, it sounds like you just loss a piece of the car going over a bump? Why do i have slow down lights popping up in m Fiat with no cats, which people say is normal and to just pull the bulb, while my shitbox tractor Lambo has never had a light pop up? Why is the dashpod leather shrinking on a 7,000 mile garage kept one owner Fiat, when on my tractor its in perfect shape? Why do headers crack on my Fiero needing replacement of F1 inspired parts, while my tractors are perfect?
Does racing truly improve the breed? |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1629
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:24 pm: | |
I thought the fit and finish of the Murcielago was pretty darn good. Others I've spoken to who have owned one have said the same.
Cheers |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 574
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:19 pm: | |
I saw a Murcielago in the shop and they had the dash ripped out. Electronics looked real cool.
I also saw a lime green 360c with all the insides ripped out (no seats, nothing just an empty tub) wires all over the place looked really cool to see how complex the wireharness is in these cars. |
rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member
Username: Beast
Post Number: 89
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 8:07 pm: | |
A friend of mine took delivery of a Murcielago near the end of march. When i called him up about 6 weeks later i asked him about the lamo and he said "I got rid of the pile!!! If i wanted a pile of crap, I would have bought a KIA!!!"
Needless to say when i saw the car in person it looked better than in the magazines, But the fit and finish did not impress myself. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 573
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:59 pm: | |
Since I'm becoming like Frank with his famous "Dino" speech, and Allan with his "Lambo is Better" line.
I think I should offer a line besides my "Ferrari sucks because they didn't make enough Enzo's so people I know could get them" 
How about this? The Enzo is not fair to compare agasint the new Lambo but The F40 and F50 are both on the Market for less then $500k so give me a Merc. at $300k and we have a fair contest.
Mercs newer in years, but F40/F50 cost more. So I think we have a good even field to test Ferrari agsinst Lambo. Who has some numbers?
( the million dollar Enzo can stay with the F1 for best car you can't really have.) |
David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member
Username: Rodsky
Post Number: 130
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:39 pm: | |
"Because Lamborghini, surely, is a big-ticket wannabe?"
That about sums it up - that's why Allan comes over here and stirs •••• -
He's a wannabe.
When Lambo is revered to the same extent or more than Ferrari is, then some a%$hole will go over to Lambochat and became the Allan of that site. Till then, we have Allan (Wannabe) Fiddler over here. Furiously trying to prove that Lambo's are better than Ferrari's. Like the Energizer battery he keeps going and going. Just think Allan, just think about it - if they were the best you would not need to come here and tell us that they are - they just would be.
Allan, you keep saying the Enzo is not comparable to a Murci. Why not? If you are as rich as you keep wanting us all to believe that you are and you want the faster, better handling, better braking, more bad-ass car, why not just get the best car regardless of price. Buy an Enzo. Then you could really pose and get even more boob flashes. Then you could go over to Lambochat and cause crap over there. You could still be annoying and then tell everyone over there that Lambos' are slower and dont brake well and on and on and on and on. Everyone's a winner. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 572
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:38 pm: | |
"Enzo vs Merc" How can you make this comparo?
Enzo is a prize-favor that Ferrari gives to a few hunderd millionaires around the world. Its not a real car.
Merc is a real car!
Ferrari made Enzo 3X the cost of the Merc
Ferrari made the Enzo in such low numbers, you have to be famous to get one, at sticker. Reminds me of the games wallstreet plays with new stock offerings ( only the privileged)
Merc is the kind of car you can buy if you have a real good sales year, or hit something big in Vegas, or in the stock market.
Enzo is a paper only car. "Ferrari is the best!"
Yes the one car that no one can buy. Oh that's a good car. Even if I had a million U.S $'s I don't think it is worth that much. ( $650k okay... but I'm not famous, so I can't get one for that)
I say shame on Ferrari for limiting the only product that has real balls, to such low numbers it will remain an "*" asterisk on the road
The ENZO car goes against anything else that is selling on the market for around $1,000,000 today.
New lambo is under $300k
Lambo wants people to drive great cars. Ferrari wants us to watch happy millionairs drive their best car.
|
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1628
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:37 pm: | |
You guys think the modern machinery sounds nice?!
Not to be abrasive but COME ON!! Murcielagos sound like sh!t, 360s sound like sh!t, 355s sound like sh!t. You guys should schedule some time off in August and go the Monterey Historics. A 250LM screaming down a straight, a Miura flexing it's muscles will put all the aforementioned cars to shame! It's a different world althogether, one in which even American cars sound nice!
Cheers |
Nick Yim (Yimn)
Junior Member
Username: Yimn
Post Number: 62
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:32 pm: | |
Allen, is the 360 a Modena or Stradale? I bet it is just a Modena and you are again comparing a V8 3.6L non-turbo car to over 500hp Lambo. By the way, people complains about the sound of 360 because there are easy way to make it sound even better but no one complains about Lambo's sound there is not much you can do to improve it not because it is perfect already but because it does not have a good base to be worked on. |
Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Member
Username: Aawil
Post Number: 254
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:32 pm: | |
I've given up on what numbers say myself.The murcielago engine sounds decent. But generally I think most ferrari engine's sound better.The 355 and F50 being 2 of my favs. The problem most complain about the 360 is it doesn't sound half as good as the 355 does. The same goes for the Enzo and the F50. The have a little deeper sound 2 the new engines.The murcie sound pretty good in that top gear comparison with the pagani. To bad the body and colors offered suck. |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member
Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 204
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:29 pm: | |
Russell Bulgin, what a great writer, in his Car Gourmet's Dictionary he wrote about Ferrari
and Ferrari
Founded in northern Italy shortly after the Second World War, Ferrari represents the apotheosis of automotive charisma. Car Gourmet knows it and, in this case, so does everybody else. The difference is, while the man in the street can distinguish a Berlinetta from a Spider, Gourmet can spot the difference between a mid-1960s 275P sports-prototype and its successor the 275 P2. He also knows that the P2's rear track was 53mm wider than its progenitor's. This isn't down to some weird genetic coding. Rather, while everyone else in 4L was conjugating Latin verbs in class, Gourmet had one eye on the copy of Motoring News that was wedged beneath his desk. Gourmet likes Italian architects' traditional desire to combine beauty and beastly performance in a scarlet-hued package, but understands that pragmatism sometimes has to take precedence. Hence the latest Enzo, whose Legoland looks belie its seismic performance. He also gets cross when people criticise Ferrari for treating Formula One as its own personal playground. If the rest want to keep up, they have to build better cars. Simple. That said, he acknowledges that modern Ferraris are mildly soulless. Time was when your maintenance skills had to be as finely tuned as your car control to keep a Ferrari on the road.
What to say about Ferrari: "Purity in motion."
What not to say about Ferrari: "You paid how much for an F40? But it doesn't have electric windows. Even my Vectra has those."
He wrote this about Lamborghini
Say's it all really doesnt it, Allan this is the guy who wrote alot of the magazine articles you quoted
|
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 823
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:29 pm: | |
These are only a few magazines i have sitting out, i have boxes and boxes full of them. From the 70's up. Ill be packing so as i get to them ill post them.
Oh, look Road and Tracks Worlds Fastest cars. Hmm Diablo beat the F40. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1626
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
Nick,
Lamborghini (the man) was adamant about NOT starting a racing programme. He wanted grand tourers and streetable sports cars. But if you look at the crew who started Lamborghini you'll notice some of the biggest names in motorsports.
Cheers |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 822
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
Nick, how small a company is Lamborghini? Has it had Fiats backing? No. Times will change. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 821
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
Marvin it is February 1982.
I have another magazine with the Countach and the testarossa that headlines "Anything you can do, i can do better" |
Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:25 pm: | |
Allen: exactly right. Competition breeds better cars.
--Dan |
Nick Yim (Yimn)
Junior Member
Username: Yimn
Post Number: 61
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:25 pm: | |
Allen if Lambo engineering is so great, how come they have not won in any major racing events. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1625
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:25 pm: | |
Dan,
This is from a guy who has only driven a Jalpa (a far cry from being the best Lamborghini has to offer). If he is so into history he should check the people involved in starting Lamborghini.
Cheers |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 820
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:23 pm: | |
Dan, i have that magaine somewhere also. It pretty much left both cars a toss up as i remember.
So Nick, you think a 360 sounds better, while most 360 owners complain about the sound? Hmm weird.
Anyway new magazine, have to get it times the Gallardo, Murcielago,996TT and the 360 around Imola race track. The Murcielago was 5 seconds quicker than the 360, the Gallardo was 4 seconds quicker than the 360, and the 996 was 3 seconds quicker than the 360. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member
Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 1624
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:22 pm: | |
Murcielago buyers do look at Ferraris as well. Mainly 550s/575s. It's the closest thing Ferrari puts out there that's close to it, despite engine configurations and such.
Dealers, when they can't sell you on a Murcielago will try to sell you on a 550/575 and vice versa, although I've even seen some push a Saleen S7.
Cheers |
Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
Junior Member
Username: Mdb69
Post Number: 75
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:21 pm: | |
Allan, do you know the date and issue of that R&T mag? Would be helpful. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 819
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:20 pm: | |
Marvin, i do have the old Road and Track article on the Boxer vs the Countach. Acceleration was similar in both cars, with the Boxer having an advantage down low, and the Countach being quicker in the upper gears. Boxer was 360hp, Countach an early 325hp. In top speed the boxer came out on top at 168, and the Countach at 150, due to the fact it sported the huge rear wing, and they later discovered 3 loose plug leads. In high speed driving they mentioned the Boxer bobed and weaved, while the Countach was rock solid with zero body roll. In the skidpad and and braking the Countach edged the Boxer. |
Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 1084
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:16 pm: | |
Ok, with extreme apologies to CAR, here is an excerpt from an article written by the late (and incredibly amusing) Russell Bulgin. For those who care, it's an article comparing the 6.0 to the 550, article from May 2000:
Believe me, I'm cool with Luca di Montezemolo's vision of Ferrari. For those who haven't been paying attention, this centres on Ferrari right now, right this second, breezing through the mundanities of offset impact tests, dual airbags, stringent noise regulations and barely post-pubertal internet billionaires aching to blow scads of cash. The company president wants every Ferrari to be suffused with unmistakable essense of Enzo, same as it ever was. Only this time with quality control.
Lamborghini? Don't understand Lambo. Never have. Only driven one, a Jalpa, back in the days when Madonna still thought fingerless mittens were chic. Made a great wail along the bypass. And left no other lasting impression. For me, you need to look no further than the respective company insignia. Ferrari? The prancing horse, counterfeited worldwide. Lamborghini? A load of bull.
Because Lamborghini, surely, is a big-ticket wannabe? You've got Enzo, forever autocratic, enduring race drivers being killed every 20 minutes through the '50s and '60s, wearing dark glasses, writing in purple ink, mourning Dino and being fabulously inscrutable. You really would buy a new car from a man like that.
Ferruccio Lamborghini was a tractor maker and entrepreneur who fancied a tilt at Ferrari. In the exoticar marketing mix, Lamborghini misses one serious ingredient to add authenticity and heritage and apex-to-exit credibility in all aspects of engineering: a hard-edged racing programme.
A couple of Le Mans wins would be good. ("I'm sorry, but providing an inconsistent grand prix engine for Toshio Suzuki renders my bell utterly unrung.) A Lamborghini is a car for anyone who doesn't understand the previous paragraph and yet still yearns for eyeball-squidging acceleration. Today, each Ferrari comes hinting at Ludovico Scarfiotti and Lorenzo Bandini. Racing drivers with names like poetry. Lamborghini, by contrast, is a bit Jamiroquai. (My own note - even Jay Kay of Jamiroquai is a HUGE F-car fan)."
"The 550 is sharky, sexy, and fabulously discreet, a bodybuilder poured into Armani businesswear, where the Diablo is resolutely cap-sleeve T-shirt, albeit Dolce & Gabbana."
This is actually a pretty well-balanced and enjoyable article. If anyone is interested, I will scan it in and post it secretly, given the other infringement issues we had earlier.
--Dan |
Nick Yim (Yimn)
Junior Member
Username: Yimn
Post Number: 60
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:16 pm: | |
Allen I don't recall a Lambo sounding any better than a 550 but definitely a lot worse than a 360. I agree with you that Ferrari has gone too soft in the 575 but that's why the stradale for those who are willing to give up comfort for performance. I will bet the Stradale will beat both new Lambos in a timed trial on any track. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 818
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:12 pm: | |
Actually Nick, it has to do with how many GTO's are around. There are plenty of old Ferraris produced in larger numbers which arent worth squat. |
|
Closed: New threads not accepted on this page