| Author | Message | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2003 |
JRV, What are you getting on everyone's case here? do you want everyone to know that you are the best Ferrari mechanic in town? your are just pissed off from the previous thread and now trying to justify your actions. please move on! | ||
| J Haller (Jh355)
New member Username: Jh355 Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2003 |
The interesting thing concerning �Authorized Ferrari service vs. Independents� is when the warranty period has expired. The later model cars need the Ferrari computer to obtain diagnostic codes and perform even the simplest campaign. What will the Independents do then? Ferrari and other manufactures realize there new car sales losses can be spread over the 10 year service bill (paid by the customer) if they can lock the independents out of the market. Consequently why we are seeing increased part and service costs. JH | ||
| Dave Helms (Davehelms)
Junior Member Username: Davehelms Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have found that making 2 repair orders for each car is the only way I can do it fairly. The first RO is for a std. major service that meets all of my min. requirements for a major service. The second covers all of the additional work performed, that the customer gives the nod on. This way the decission is theirs, and they know where the starting $'s are at. I can also show the $'s spent by other customers, for the extra work done, on like models. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 486 Registered: 9-2002 |
JRV...I agree with your position. estimating anything on these cars should be done on a car to car basis. Every one of them needs something a little different then the next. Especaily the TR's. I do a very ball park quote on just the components that are required to do the service. I then inform the customer that there will more than likely be futher costs involved but have to be determined during the course of the job. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2019 Registered: 11-2002 |
Any of the Multiples of Dealers that Lurk here thinking about doing the right thing and stepping up to the plate and presenting some Truth In Charging Service Guesstimates out in public for the Owner/Enthusiast Community? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1337 Registered: 5-2001 |
duke, Thanks for your frank post. Your "confession" is exactly as described by a friend who is a GMAC technician, and another who is a Mazda dealer tech. Dave | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2003 |
Steven duke; Bravo!!!!!! I myself am not a big fan of having a technician working on a Flat Rate or Commission type basis. The unfortunate fact of this industry is the fact that this pay scale is a neccesary evil. I have seen time and time again where a tech is trying to beat the clock and ends up missing a step or skipping somthing, resulting in lost time and profit for both the shop and technician. This is one point that my younger students cannot grasp, the fact that if you are not turning wrenches you are not getting paid!! Also the general attitude that once they leave school they are done with there training. The sad fact is that they have just started to begin with their learning process. When i worked in dealer shops wether as a tech or a manager i would always try to get in 2 weeks of Mfg. training per year. The sad thing was some dealers did not want the technicians to be trained in the latest procedures. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 585 Registered: 4-2002 |
Steven Duke, >>>The key will ALWAYS be EXPERIENCE!<<< Amen. While we can each "tinker" a bit on the basics, some fluid changes, etc, when something REAL happens there is NO substitute for experience. Furthermore, an experienced technician may know of things within each model that a technical/service book simply does not provide (humor: unless it is a out of focus photo with no description about it.. then you are up sh** creek without a paddle). Experience. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1667 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Do not forget, a Ferrari is not just a CAR, It`s an Investment.<< You can't possibly be serious...It's just a car, and it's very good at what it does. Which, by the way, is not sitting in a garage. Cheers | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2010 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Here are some real world prices that were quoted recently for the 30K service to my 348. Belts, tensioner bearings,seals, valve adjustment, hoses, fluids, yada, yada, yada, etc. (water pump not included). JRV Quoted:>>>>>>>>> $5,600 Another Independent Quoted:>>>>>>>>> $5,300 (maybe that's who calls me for quotes all the time, lol) Ferrari of Houston Quoted:>>>>>>>>>>>>>$7,500 >> Well ...it appears I do quote prices BEFORE beggining work on anyones car. ;-)..Just not on the internet when certian people try to badger me into it..;-) and it also appears I'm well within my personal goal of providing the highest quality workmsnship at prices 25%-30% below the average dealer pricing. However, I still think it would benefit owners across the entire landscape to get the Dealers to post their general estimates as mentioned below to give the entire Owner, Enthusiast Community reference points when needing service or shopping for potential cars. Some form of general guidelines that could put old wives tales to rest and bring new confidence and awareness of costs as the cars get older. | ||
| Eugene Angelo (Eangelo)
Junior Member Username: Eangelo Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here are some real world prices that were quoted recently for the 30K service to my 348. Belts, tensioner bearings,seals, valve adjustment, hoses, fluids, yada, yada, yada, etc. (water pump not included). JRV Quoted:>>>>>>>>> $5,600 Another Independent Quoted:>>>>>>>>> $5,300 Ferrari of Houston Quoted:>>>>>>>>>>>>>$7,500 I have not decided who I will be using yet. | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 140 Registered: 7-2002 |
Yea, and the cost of these insurances are not getting cheaper, with a the bogus lawsuits going on out there and the greed of the insurance companys. It gets harder to do business. And what about the taxes, business owners can really get pounded by that unless they have a through acountant. This is the price you pay for running a honest shop. Regards, jim | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2003 |
I will throw my unsolicited 2 cents in here because I have a slightly different perspective. I am a Master Toyota Technician. I have worked for Toyota(through 3 different dealerships) for 25 years. I make a decent living....nothing to squeal about. I agree with JRV about many things. He is especially on the mark with regards to older models and dealerships. My work day revolves around warranty repair and newer model service. I see very few cars that are more than 4 model years of age. I understand that Toyota's are a world apart from Ferrari's but the service business is pretty much the same everywhere and within every price range. I worked for Lexus and the same applied there. I also agree with JRV about independents setting the top rung of service quality. With a few reservations. The big reason being, my salary depends directly on how QUICKLY I can repair a problem. I am a commission technician. No work...no pay. A quality independent can adjust his charges to reflect the ACTUAL difficulty of the repair. The dealership cannot afford such a luxury. We are slaves to the warranty pay schedule, or companies such as Mitchell which set the labor schedule. Speed is vital. A wonderfully conscientious, but slow technician doesn't last long. He cannot run enough hours in a day to make a living. If I do not average 10 hours of commission time in a nine hour workday, my paycheck is a joke. Where I disagree with JRV revolves around the real world I experience every day. I repair a couple of jobs a week that were performed wrong at independents. Remember, my product line is not nearly as difficult to find proper repair information as a Ferrari. Yet I repair screw-ups from so-called full service repair facilities that would make you laugh out loud. The AVERAGE independent technician is woefully ignorant of modern technology. Factory training on modern innovation is priceless. Not only are we trained on how to repair a problem, we understand the engineering objectives and the reason for the application. Not making a blanket statement, but this is rarely the case in real world independent shops. The key will ALWAYS be EXPERIENCE! JRV has it in spades. A lot of independents do not. Any independent worth his salt will encourage you to contact his customers. Talk to people that have serviced their cars with a shop. Call the Better Business Bureau. Ask a lot of questions. Boards like this are very good sources for info. The fact is, there are a lot more idiots than JRV's. I service a couple of Ferrari's in my little backwater Texas city. I know enough about proper service procedures that I will do no harm. But I couldn't carry JRV'S wrench bag. I would be considered an independent Ferrari Repair Facility. See my point? Here is a photo of a 355 I had on my lift last week. steve  | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 95 Registered: 5-2003 |
James; I was a service manager of a motorcycle shop and we had to carry $25 Mil in liability coverage if we were to go down to the local lakes marina to do a simple service on an customers jet ski that was sitting on the deck of there yacht. The marinas required the coverage in case we set the slip and ajoining slips on fire. Needless to say there was a premium for service at the marinas. | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2002 |
True rob, Just the Shop owners insurance I have to carry is hefty enough. Cars in the shop have to be insured while they are in for service, Imagine the cost of coverage for 3 bays at $300,000.00 each car. And if the car coming in is valued higher, you have to carry a rider on the policy for the time it is in the shop. and that is only the tip of the iceburg with servicing exotic cars. Best regards, jim | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2003 |
In Defense of JRV and all the other Dealers and independants out there. There pricing is based on Supply and Demand Economics. If the Demand is high for the product the curve shifts to the right and prices increase. The product in this case is skilled service technicians. If the supply increases the price will drop. In this case supply being the number of skilled service technicians. just look at the auto service market place. If your Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota needs service you have a wide choice of providers. The dealers, Pep boys, Billy bob's Texaco etc. when it comes to having an Exotic car serviced you choices are limited since one parts are not avaliable in every street corner auto parts store. Want proof go to partsamerica.com and look for an air filter for an 88 Testarossa. They dont have it. I teach service department management and once you get down to the nuts and bolts details behind the scene the profit margin is not that large. Add to it the liability of servicing a rare Exotic vehicle and you will find that you are actualy getting a deal on the repairs. Just my 2 cents worth. Rob | ||
| James J. McGee (Dr_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Dr_ferrari Post Number: 138 Registered: 7-2002 |
When dealing with a ferrari, the quality of service vastly outweighs the cost of the services. I feel that you get the value from a service performed well at a cost relivant to the person performing the service. I have heard from most of my customers that they do not mind paying a more premimum price if they know that the service was performed properly. My opinion, Find a technician you trust and pay him fairly (dealer or independent). Believe me you will be happier in the end. Do not forget, a Ferrari is not just a CAR, It`s an Investment. Best regards, Jim P.S. - times for the services should be very close to the same, the price differs with the shops hourly rate, parts pricing, and any add-ons they may include with the service. Personally, I have no set price for any service, Each service to each individual Ferrari differs, some need more attention, Some need less. I quote each Ferrari as it comes in and even that is subject to change. Again, Best regards, Jim | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2006 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Ok, so JRV, a price has been posted. << Mike B, Please, let's not make this about yours and others lack of reading and comprehension skills, you do prove however one only needs money to have a Ferrari not smarts. This thread is an oppurtunity for DEALERS to post there Pricing, Operations & Scheduling...last I heard Eugenio didn't even have a business license let alone a dealership. Do we have a few DEALERS lined up for this great oppurtunity yet? Taek, your Dad is a smart guy. Good Independents (the best ones) DEFINE the Markets Quality Standards, not it's prices. If it weren't for the Top Guys going out and opening The Top Independents the Dealers would be able to Make All The Rules of Service,,,and with no compitition the Bar Would be lowered to whatever they felt like to benefit their own profit margins. "The Best Independents LEVEL the Playing field for OWNERS" by setting Quality Standards that Dealers Must Match or suffer the consequences of lost service and reputation, which is a big reason the dealers in my area for example rely heavily on selling fear of Independents, to try to maintain control of making the rules that only themselves at the expense of owners. Because of my reputation of the Highest Standards of Quality in this part of the US, and the fact that because of Lower Overhead my prices are consistently less than the Dealers I get many jobs every year from convertees. Who asked? No Dealers Do Not retro train techs. If you think about a Dealers "Job Description" by & large they have service depts to provide warranty work because they are in business to sell new product, they devle into the secondary market as an after though to enhance revenue streams for slow periods. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1149 Registered: 3-2002 |
Here's a question. When Ferrari mechanics are trained, how thoroughly do they "retro" train them versus focusing on the newer, still waranteed models? I mean, who do you think will know a 30 year-old Ferrari better, the dealer mechanic, or the independent who has been working on them for 40 years? | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6101 Registered: 8-2002 |
Monaco Motors - Independant Timing Belts $1,200 Coolant Hoses under Manifold $ 300 Air Conditioner Service 2.5 lbs of r12 $ 240 | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6100 Registered: 8-2002 |
Auto Gallery - Authorized Ferrari Shop Shifter seal $270 Major 30K for 308 GTS Carb $6,000 Clutch $ 1,500 Fuel Pump Replacement $300 15K $2,000 Oil Change $ 175 Timing Belts $1800-$2400 | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6099 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1651 Registered: 11-2002 |
This dealers vs. independents is a very interesting subject. Personally I feel there are very few dealers who can stack up against respectable independent shops. From what I have heard from people in the exotic community, people take their cars to dealers because they either have a long established relationship with them and some of the personnel there or because of liability fears and resale value. Argument my dad has always proposed is as follows. Do all your warranty work by the dealer. As soon as your warranty expires, go to the best independent you can find. Develop a good relationship with your independent mechanic, because he might even have to fix the blunders the dealers make while your car is being worked on under warranty. The best mechanics out there are successful enough they can branch away from the dealer and make comparatively more money and run their own business. Makes an awful lot of sense to me. If you look at people restoring priceless collectibles, you rarely see a dealer involved, and if they are, it's in a comparatively small capacity. If people entrust their multi million dollar cars to independents, why not their daily drivers? People are justifiably scared that a dunce who owns an independent shop is going to mess up their car. But that's why experience and history matters. I know of people in the Bay Area who service their F40s and very rare older Ferraris at independents. And also know 308/328/348/TR owners who are scared to take it to anyone but a dealer (none of these guys are in the Bay Area, by the way) and keep taking their cars their even when they screw something up. Kind of back to the point...JR started this thread by saying that he is no position to set industry prices, which is why he wants to see prices from the dealer network. So I don't think this is a thread about "as soon as they post theirs, I'll post mine". I also feel it's a legitimate question. Cheers | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 761 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hahahahahahaaaaa JRV. I LOVE IT. But I really doubt that the dealers will give you an answer. That is like asking the magician to tell the serect to the trick. Or better yet the same as asking a politician to tell the truth. Hahahaa. But I'm with you on this one brother. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 978 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gary, For minor repairs, if you can't do them yourself, that's fine... but for the major stuff - there's a reason why the F-Car specialists are, well, "specialists". It's worth the $$ to trust an expert at times. Not worth the money saved, if you ask me - pay now or pay later. That usually holds true. However, these cars are sometimes more serviceable than people realize. | ||
| gary green (Minuke)
New member Username: Minuke Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2003 |
I do not own a F-car yet. I am saving my pennies to get one. I know these cars are expensive to maintain, I don't think that is a secret. My regular mechanic service's a few F-cars. He is not a f-car specialist. My question to the board is " Would you have a non-specialist work on your car to save money" BTW- He mostly service's German cars. | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 283 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ok, so JRV, a price has been posted. How do you compare? You challenged the community to find out another price, and they did, so please also post yours. You (claim to) sell based on value... you talk about how dealers may forget things or won't replace parts that you, as a long-term mechanic, would not forget. So, since you are selling a premium service, what additional and measurable value do you give to the consumer? Do you warranty your work? For how long? It appears that you try to sell based on knowledge, experience, and quality, but you get upset when people try to compare. You seem to get angry that people want to see the comparison. The only reason I can think of is that your price/value equation isn't very favorable, or that you don't have anything measureable to compare on. I hope I'm wrong - so I'd like to know what the warranty on your exceptional and "better than the rest" work is? | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 209 Registered: 9-2002 |
Isnt eugenio's the guy that JRV likes in Cal? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 608 Registered: 1-2003 |
$1800 seems like a deal to me. If I could get that done here in Hawaii for the same price, I'd jump on it. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 976 Registered: 10-2002 |
Randall, you didn't... can of worms!! | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 606 Registered: 1-2003 |
Here a list of work and some prices: 30,000 mile MAJOR SERVICE = $1795.00 (348�s and Mondial t�s are $2465 and F355�s are $2895 due to parts cost, engine removal, etc.) includes the following: - Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch) - Replace Timing Belts and Tensioner Bearings (Bearing cost is extra on 348's and F355's) - Replace Cam Seals and Housing O-Rings (as needed, slight extra charge per seal if it's needed) - Replace Valve Cover Gaskets - Replace Distributor Seals and Housing Gaskets - Replace Distributor Cap Gaskets - Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets - Replace Air Filter - Replace Fuel Filter - Replace A/C Belt - Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt - Adjust Valves - Torque Cam Journals - Torque Heads - Set Timing - Bleed Brake Lines - Change Oil and new Filter - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid - Replace entire Coolant - Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System (recharge extra on 308�s/348's but included on F355�s ) - Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary - Check of Lambda System and Bosch Fuel Injection System (make adjustments if necessary) - Clean Engine Compartment - Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks - Inspect CV Boots - Inspect Fuse Panel - Inspect Tires / Tire pressure The items below are inspected and advised to the customer at no charge, if any item(s) require service, the customer will be advised of the cost. - Inspect Water Pump - Inspect all Seals (shift shaft, main, timing gear assy) - Inspect Ignition Wires / Caps / Rotors - Inspect all Bulbs, Lights, Electrical Motors - Inspect Clutch Pedal play (adjustment setting if necessary) - Inspect all Suspension Bushings / Connections - Inspect all Exhaust Joints / Connections for leaks - Inspect Brake Pads and Discs - Inspect Wheel Bearings OTHER COMMON SERVICES "servizio individuale" - 308/328 Timing Belt and Tensioner Bearing replacement = $695.00 - Water Pump rebuild/replacement = $395.00 (new = $785.00) - 308/328 Shift Shaft Seal, Oil Pan Gaskets, and Trans Pan Gaskets (plus all fluids) replacement = $595.00 - Oil Change and Filter = $89.00 (F355's are $155 due to synthetic oil and labor for cover(s) removal) - Transmission Fluid Change = $92.00 - Coolant Replacement = $95.00 - Completely Tune Bosch Fuel Injection System = $158.00 - Service Air Conditioning System "recharge"(incl Freon) = $175.00 - Replace Front Brake Pads (includes bleeding, rotor turning and wheel bearings extra) = $165.00 - Replace Rear Brake Pads (includes bleeding, rotor turning and wheel bearings extra) = $165.00 - Replace Alternator = $325.00 avg - Replace Starter = $395.00 avg - Replace Radiator Fans = $455.00 each - Remove, rod out, and reinstall radiator = $415.00 - Replace Distributor Caps and Rotors = $815.00 - Replace Ignition Wire set = $615.00 - Replace all Accessory Belts = $165.00 - Complete Clutch Job = $1185.00 - Replace all fuel injectors (308/328) = $350.00 - Replace CV Joint Boots = $355.00 Per Axle - Complete Detail Job = $95.00 This is from: http://emelbon.tripod.com/eugeniosferrariservice.html I don't know them, not affiliated, blah blah blah... If anyone else can share similar info I'd really appreciate it. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 483 Registered: 9-2002 |
In Canada it is illegal to perform any kind of service work weather it be paving a drive way or servicing a car without a written estimate, of the cost. Work cannot be carried out with out the signed approval of the client. I have to on a matter of getting business give a client an estimate, with the expressed statment that it is only a quote. The price may differ greatly depending what is found while doing the job. You just cannot predict what you will find, that is over and above the original estimate. Yes you can qoute for the basic parts that you know your going to need, cam cover gaskets,belts etc, and the approximate labour to do the job barring any unforseen problems. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1612 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was here on this site well before you JRV, so please dont ask why am I still here. I havent created a copy cat site to this forum, so perhaps you should ask yourself the same question. Dont confuse freedom and business, with lack of originality and consideration. If copying somebody else's idea is your vision of proper business practices and freedom, fine. But not everybody thinks like you. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2005 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ernesto, Do you think that depriving me of freedom to persue my own interests is any business of yours? Maybe in PR the rich rule the way they see fit, however in the REST of America it's a different story, we are FREE to persue, Life, Liberty and Persuit of Happiness. I must say however I don't see how your desire to deprive me of my Freedom is relivant here. Are you still here>>> WHY??????????? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2004 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mike, I'm not reluctant at all, I simply can't/won't be badgered into it by guys like yourself perhaps. I've posted plenty of numbers, check the archives, long Detailed Posts Itemized with Operations and Numbers. So I've done my part, where's your lists? Why aren't you calling your dealer now in fact to help your fellow Fchatters like I do daily? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1611 Registered: 2-2001 |
Maybe I'll give back to this board in the same responsible, productive way you did: by registering a similar domain and running an almost exact duplicate copy of this forum. Now, that's giving something back! Ernesto | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 248 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV wants dealers to post their prices, but he has been reluctant to give out his. Hmm... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2003 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ernesto, Now that you've described how easy it is, there are no excuses left for you and others to not help your fellow board members. It really wouldn't hurt for you to give something back to the board besides chatter would it? I give help freely and often...when is it your turn? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1610 Registered: 2-2001 |
Use your brain JRV. You dont have to identify yourself as the great, blacklisted JRV when you call the dealers for info. Make up a name. Tell your cousin to call. Ask one of your customers for the favor. Im sure you can think of something, as you seem very resourceful. Its your little project, I think you should feel great satisfaction in doing it yourself rather than assigning it randomly. And when you are done, you can post the info here, as well as on the Fchat clones you have created. Stop typing and making excuses, and just do it. And make your point. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2002 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Why must you assign somebody else to do it<, Ernesto, You still here...>>> Why ??? But your question can be answered so easily, in fact it's so obvious I'm suprised a real Deep Thinker like yourself didn't figure it out. I'm the Dealers Compitition, they have no desire to address my questions, two I'm not on any Dealers A list, three, I don't own a Ferrari (at the moment) so I could be considered a Time Thief (much like you are) four, this is Robs Community and it would be to his communities best interest to request the Schedules . Need more of the obvious? just ask I'm used to thinking for others! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2079 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have found that service is simply time and materials. If you use the same shop for over 30 years they'll probably eat an hour or two esp. if you treat them like the friend they are. Restoration? Add blood and pain. Expect it to take 3 years+ and cost as much as a million dollars. That way you'll be happy if it's done sooner or costs a bit less. BTW no matter what they charge you a good shop will lose $ on restoration. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1609 Registered: 2-2001 |
So JRV, stop talking about it and do it. What's the problem? Why must you assign somebody else to do it, when you are perfectly able to do it yourself, being a self-proclaim expert in the field? Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2001 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh My Ernesto, You are now making excuses...not nice, not nice at all. I'm sure that out of a community of over 2000 and growing every day that there will be plenty of guys that would like to review all the quotes, not just oil change prices, across a huge spectrum of different models and service operations. And really this thread is about offering afantastic oppurtunity, not about listening to your excuses, if you know what I mean. Just imagine how many myths can be deispelled here and this oppurtunity can actually help used car sales & prices. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 970 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV - LOL... you know which "can of worms" I'm talking about...  I don't want to get in the middle of this discussion here, but if the shop he's referring to is out of So Cal, I think we're in for a wild ride again... hehe | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1608 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes, JRV, if I had the large amounts of idle time you certainly appear to have, I perhaps would consider it. You seem to have plenty of time to type up these manifestos, when you could be redirecting this energy to do exactly what you are requesting. You have a point to prove, then do it. Otherwise, stop wasting everybody's time. All I know is that if I want service done to my car, I call the dealer and they give me a price. Then, I decide whether to do it myself or take it in. I do oil changes and other light maintenance myself. This service, I will take it in because I dont have the time. Now, if what you are saying is that in your shop you dont give a price until AFTER the service is done, then that is completely contrary to any logic or common sense I have seen. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2000 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>it may just open a HUGE can of worms again!<, This is not a can of worms. In fact it's probably 20 yrs overdue!! This is about bringing reality to the table, you have some special aversion to reality? If not, then a Guide from the Dealers would make huge strides in clearing the air about any confusion that may exist. I'm sure the Dealers will jump at this oppurtunity to clear the air on Ferrari Service Pricing, Operations and Scheduleing. At least they should. And if they don't for such a worthy cause and to help such a huge cross section of owners....? | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 967 Registered: 10-2002 |
Randall... don't do it...haha... it may just open a HUGE can of worms again! | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 605 Registered: 1-2003 |
There's a shop in CA that has a website that posts different services (15k,30k,etc) and all the parts they use and a total cost. If I stumble upon it again I'll post a link. I remember their prices were really decent. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1999 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>As far as I know, any dealer will give you a quote BEFORE the work actually begins so that I can decide whether or not to bring it to them. << Well in that case, this should be a slam dunk!!! Besides ROB, you sound like the perfect guy Ernesto to call your Dealer and other Dealers around the country and persuade them to HELP The Ferrari Community by putting all that information they have to good use!!!!! you don't seem like the shy or quite type so really you're a natural to help everyone here out!!! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1607 Registered: 2-2001 |
Of course my dealer "gladly gives out quotes." How else would I know how much work is going to cost? Or do you expect me to bring in my car without a price quote, then just have them bill me afterwards? As far as I know, any dealer will give you a quote BEFORE the work actually begins so that I can decide whether or not to bring it to them. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1998 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Are prices different between dealers?>> This seems like the perfect oppurtunity to find out ahy? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1649 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dumb question... Are prices different between dealers? Prices meaning parts, not labor. Cheers | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1997 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I simply posted what I was quoted for the three year complete service from my local authorized Ferrari service shop.<< Since your Dealer gladly gives quotes the perfect oppurtunity now exists for them to Help "The Ferrari Community" and put together (actually if they are giving quotes it's already together) the itemized Operation/Price Schedules. What could be more perfect? This seems like a beautiful oppurtunity for the Dealers!!!! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1605 Registered: 2-2001 |
JRV, I simply posted what I was quoted for the three year complete service from my local authorized Ferrari service shop. You dont have to get agitated or defensive. I am not a dealer, and neither are you. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1996 Registered: 11-2002 |
Uhhh..what service? for starters...and what does complete mean, where is the entire itemized list? the devil is in the details sport!!! BTW, are you a DEALER? Was I to vague? ROB and others should kindly ask the DEALERS to post complete Service Prices, Scheduling, Operations to be placed in permanent Archives as a reference guide for "The Ferrari Comnmunity". The Dealers Should Be Happy For this Oppurtunity!!!! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1604 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was just quoted $2750 for a complete service on my 360. Ernesto | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1995 Registered: 11-2002 |
After being Bombarded yesterday to Post Actual Numbers for Service & Maintinance Operations in a thread about TR's and why they are selling at low prices. It dawned on me, since I'm not the one that sets Industry Prices anyway, that ROB with his Dealer Friends and Dealer Stroke, along with others here with Dealer Stroke, should kindly ask THE DEALERS to Post a List of THEIR Standard Charges for a Range of different Later Model Cars from about the TR/348 Range Forward. It seems the Dealers should be HAPPY to "Help Out" The Ferrari Community by willingly posting their price schedules. And since many of them lurk here anyway, there would be no extra time or effort involved on their part. |